The citation is the entire thing. If there's a book and also a chapter,
the citation is to the entire thing.
On 9/5/22 12:33 PM, Matt Chan wrote:
> Thanks Robin. Alex and others, any opinions here? Anything to warrant
> some clarifications to the manual?
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2022, 1:22 PM Robin Whittleton <
ro...@reala.net
> <mailto:
ro...@reala.net>> wrote:
>
> This are educated guesses rather than specific policy, and I’m happy
> to hear dissenting opinion but:
>
> * For the “See his” citations, I’d be tempted to remove the “See
> his” in an [Editorial] commit
> * For the “They win battles” quote, that feels to me like it’s not
> a cite element at all. I’d present it as an uncited blockquote,
> then start a new paragraph with the rest of the sentence.
> * We include verse and chapter inside the cite, see
>> <mailto:
thew...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm sorry but one more question about<cite>... in a previous
>> answer David said chapter numbers etc. falls outside of <cite>,
>> but an exception is made for Bible verses, correct?
>>
>> So:
>>
>> <p>“And the Christians, <abbr
>> class="eoc>etc.</abbr>”<cite>—Romans 6:20; 8:14–15</cite>. <a
>> href="section-10.xhtml#noteref-256" epub:type="backlink">↩</a></p>
>>
>>
>> Or:
>>
>> <p>“And the Christians, <abbr
>> class="eoc>etc.</abbr>”<cite>—Romans</cite> 6:20; 8:14–15. <a
>> href="section-10.xhtml#noteref-256" epub:type="backlink">↩</a></p>
>>
>>
>> Which one is correct? What if the citation is to two or more
>> different books of the Bible? Would we do two<cite>elements like
>> we discussed above?
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 4, 2022 at 5:39 PM Matt Chan <
thew...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:
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>>
>> Thanks Robin, I will addclass="eoc"for all<abbr>elements for
>> <
https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/text-level-semantics.html#the-cite-element> it
>> seems we’re getting even our normal citations wrong:
>>
>> /The cite element represents the title of a work […] A
>> person's name is not the title of a work — even if people
>> call that person a piece of work — and the element must
>> therefore not be used to mark up people's names./
>> /
>> /
>> Does it look OK with two <cite> elements, one for each
>> work / author pair? If so I’d probably go with that for
>> the time being.
>>
>> -Robin
>>
>>> On 4 Sep 2022, at 16:08, B Keith <
bois...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:
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>>>
>>> My. understanding is the eoc class is used to indicate
>>> that the period is doing double duty as a full stop and
>>> an indicator it is an abbreviation— so no it is not
>>> necessary before an em dash.
>>>
>>>> On Sep 3, 2022, at 6:47 PM, Matt Chan
>>>> dash require theclass="eoc"attribute? E.g.:
>>>> <mailto:
al...@standardebooks.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As in the Vulgate Bible? Neither, it's a
>>>> holy book.
>>>>
>>>> On 8/23/22 8:40 PM, Matt Chan wrote:
>>>> > Double-checking: Vulgate, which is the
>>>> specific Latin translation of the
>>>> > Christian Bible, is that word itself
>>>> quoted/italicized etc.?
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 1:20 PM Matt Chan
>>>> <
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>>>> > <mailto:
ro...@reala.net
>>>> <mailto:
ro...@reala.net>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > I’d go <i
>>>> epub:type=“se…”><abbr>Ann.</abbr></i> . I’d
>>>> suggest
>>>> > just leaving it as English here.
>>>> >
>>>> > -Robin
>>>> >
>>>> >> On 9 Aug 2022, at 02:47, Matt
>>>> Chan <
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>>>> <mailto:
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>>>> >> <mailto:
thew...@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:
thew...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> For an abbreviation of the title
>>>> of a book, would we still
>>>> >> italicize it? If so, would we add
>>>> the book epub attribute to
>>>> >> <abbr> and use CSS to italicize
>>>> (<abbr epub:type="se...), or
>>>> >> do we do <abbr><i
>>>> epub:type="se... ? (Incidentally, the
>>>> >> abbreviated, book title might be
>>>> foreign as well, but I can't
>>>> >> really tell because the
>>>> abbreviation is Ann. for Annals in
>>>> >> English, or/Annales/in Latin, I
>>>> can use some guidance here as
>>>> >> well.)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 8:36 PM
>>>> Matt Chan <
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>>>> <mailto:
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>>>> <mailto:
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>>>> <mailto:
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>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> Double
>>>> checking: do we do anything to
>>>> >> commas and periods
>>>> >> >>>> inside
>>>> vs. outside of parentheses? Or
>>>> >> leave as they are in
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> transcription/page scans?
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