[Proposed production] Asimov short fiction

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Robin Whittleton

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Sep 28, 2025, 10:12:06 AM (8 days ago) Sep 28
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PG now has three Asimov scifi shorts up, which feels like potentially enough to start a collection?

Together those total ~21.7K words so not a long collection, but about the same as Cordwainer Smith. What do you think?

-Robin

Alex Cabal

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Sep 28, 2025, 4:52:04 PM (7 days ago) Sep 28
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Sure, that would work.

He also wrote non sci-fi shorts, and it looks like they were principally
mysteries. So the question is, do we create a separate "sci fi stories"
omnibus? The answer depends on whether we need to create a "mystery
stories" omnibus, or if he also wrote fiction outside of those two genres.

So, that will require a spreadsheet, at least of the mystery stories.
Ideally we would also include the sci fi stories, but that would be a
lot of work considering outside of PG's research, nothing is going to
enter PD for at least another decade. But it would be extremely useful
work for us in the long run.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Asimov_short_stories_bibliography
suggests there are about 385 short stories which I think includes both
sci fi and mystery.

On 9/28/25 9:11 AM, Robin Whittleton wrote:
> PG now has three Asimov scifi shorts up, which feels like potentially
> enough to start a collection?
>
> * The Magnificent Possession <https://www.gutenberg.org/
> ebooks/76871> (1940)
> * Youth <https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/31547> (1952)
> * Let’s Get Together <https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/68377> (1957)
>
>
> Together those total ~21.7K words so not a long collection, but about
> the same as Cordwainer Smith. What do you think?
>
> -Robin
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Robin Whittleton

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Sep 29, 2025, 1:16:05 PM (6 days ago) Sep 29
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Might as well include everything from the Wiki page, then we’ve got it. Starting that work at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oge21ZYs1xEg9ummZmrDYepSCzBR4d3XuaSawoDyH3w/edit?usp=sharing

-Robin

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Robin Whittleton

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Sep 30, 2025, 1:56:58 PM (5 days ago) Sep 30
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OK, this is basically ready for you to copy over to the SE account.

Obviously it’s mostly red as there’s only the three stories so far with known-good PD status. Where stories have been anthologised into a mystery collection or when they were originally published in “Ellery Queen's Mystery Magazine” I’ve given them a tag of Mystery. For the stories included in Azazel I’ve listed them as Fantasy; I’ve not read them, but the first paragraph on that page refers to them as such. Then there’s the “Asimov’s Mysteries” omnibus that is described as both sci-fi and mystery so I’ve marked them down as both. Apart from that I guess the assumption is that everything else is sci-fi? I’ve left it untagged for the time being.

So I think we definitely want a “Short Science Fiction” compilation to start. Then I’d guess three more: ”Black Widowers Stories”, “Azazel Stories” and “Short Mysteries”? It’s a bit up in the air as it’s unlikely that we’ll be working on it in the next few decades, but I guess you need to start somewhere!

-Robin

Ray Ryan

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Sep 30, 2025, 2:07:47 PM (5 days ago) Sep 30
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I'm curious, how can stories with such recent publication dates be in the US public domain?

Alex Cabal

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Sep 30, 2025, 2:10:13 PM (5 days ago) Sep 30
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There are various public domain trapdoors for specific cases in the US
only. Careful research is required and we basically rely exclusively on
PG to determine that. See https://www.gutenberg.org/help/copyright.html

On 9/30/25 1:07 PM, Ray Ryan wrote:
> I'm curious, how can stories with such recent publication dates be in
> the US public domain?
>
> On Tuesday, September 30, 2025 at 10:56:58 AM UTC-7 robin wrote:
>
> OK, this is basically ready for you to copy over to the SE account.
>
> Obviously it’s mostly red as there’s only the three stories so far
> with known-good PD status. Where stories have been anthologised into
> a mystery collection or when they were originally published in
> “Ellery Queen's Mystery Magazine” I’ve given them a tag of Mystery.
> For the stories included in Azazel <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> Azazel_(Asimov)> I’ve listed them as Fantasy; I’ve not read them,
> but the first paragraph on that page refers to them as such. Then
> there’s the “Asimov’s Mysteries” omnibus that is described as both
> sci-fi and mystery so I’ve marked them down as both. Apart from that
> I guess the assumption is that everything else is sci-fi? I’ve left
> it untagged for the time being.
>
> So I think we definitely want a “Short Science Fiction” compilation
> to start. Then I’d guess three more: ”Black Widowers Stories”,
> “Azazel Stories” and “Short Mysteries”? It’s a bit up in the air as
> it’s unlikely that we’ll be working on it in the next few decades,
> but I guess you need to start somewhere!
>
> -Robin
>
>> On 29 Sep 2025, at 19:15, Robin Whittleton <ro...@reala.net> wrote:
>>
>> Might as well include everything from the Wiki page, then we’ve
>> got it. Starting that work at https://docs.google.com/
>> spreadsheets/d/1oge21ZYs1xEg9ummZmrDYepSCzBR4d3XuaSawoDyH3w/edit?
>> usp=sharing <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/
>> d/1oge21ZYs1xEg9ummZmrDYepSCzBR4d3XuaSawoDyH3w/edit?usp=sharing>
>>
>> -Robin
>>
>>> On 28 Sep 2025, at 22:51, Alex Cabal <al...@standardebooks.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sure, that would work.
>>>
>>> He also wrote non sci-fi shorts, and it looks like they were
>>> principally mysteries. So the question is, do we create a
>>> separate "sci fi stories" omnibus? The answer depends on whether
>>> we need to create a "mystery stories" omnibus, or if he also
>>> wrote fiction outside of those two genres.
>>>
>>> So, that will require a spreadsheet, at least of the mystery
>>> stories. Ideally we would also include the sci fi stories, but
>>> that would be a lot of work considering outside of PG's research,
>>> nothing is going to enter PD for at least another decade. But it
>>> would be extremely useful work for us in the long run.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>>> Isaac_Asimov_short_stories_bibliography <https://
>>> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Asimov_short_stories_bibliography>
>>> suggests there are about 385 short stories which I think includes
>>> both sci fi and mystery.
>>>
>>> On 9/28/25 9:11 AM, Robin Whittleton wrote:
>>>> PG now has three Asimov scifi shorts up, which feels like
>>>> potentially enough to start a collection?
>>>>  * The Magnificent Possession <https://www.gutenberg.org/
>>>> <https://www.gutenberg.org/>
>>>>    ebooks/76871> (1940)
>>>>  * Youth <https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/31547 <https://
>>>> www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/31547>> (1952)
>>>>  * Let’s Get Together <https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/68377
>>>> <https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/68377>> (1957)
>>>> Together those total ~21.7K words so not a long collection, but
>>>> about the same as Cordwainer Smith. What do you think?
>>>> -Robin
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Robin Whittleton

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They’re not! Everything in the spreadsheet with a red background isn’t public domain in the US yet. The three stories that are in the public domain are because Project Gutenberg has identified (to their satisfaction) that the copyright wasn’t renewed on the magazines that first published those stories. A lot of our sci-fi is from that era, where copyright needed to be actively claimed on stories after a fixed term, otherwise it’d lapse. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_renewal_in_the_United_States for the grisly details.

-Robin

Robin Whittleton

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Sep 30, 2025, 2:15:23 PM (5 days ago) Sep 30
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Alex has copied the data from this over to SE’s account (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oge21ZYs1xEg9ummZmrDYepSCzBR4d3XuaSawoDyH3w/) so I’ve removed my original.

-Robin

On 29 Sep 2025, at 19:15, Robin Whittleton <ro...@reala.net> wrote:

Alex Cabal

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OK great, this is the spreadsheet copy you should work on from now on:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FCKrVCGktEodBWXYRjoiLNuASpCu_HV_DmT0USF5M1E/edit?gid=0#gid=0

Collection organization sounds good. Can you put those into the SE
Omnibus Name column?

On 9/30/25 12:56 PM, Robin Whittleton wrote:
> OK, this is basically ready for you to copy over to the SE account.
>
> Obviously it’s mostly red as there’s only the three stories so far with
> known-good PD status. Where stories have been anthologised into a
> mystery collection or when they were originally published in “Ellery
> Queen's Mystery Magazine” I’ve given them a tag of Mystery. For the
> stories included in Azazel <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> Azazel_(Asimov)> I’ve listed them as Fantasy; I’ve not read them, but
> the first paragraph on that page refers to them as such. Then there’s
> the “Asimov’s Mysteries” omnibus that is described as both sci-fi and
> mystery so I’ve marked them down as both. Apart from that I guess the
> assumption is that everything else is sci-fi? I’ve left it untagged for
> the time being.
>
> So I think we definitely want a “Short Science Fiction” compilation to
> start. Then I’d guess three more: ”Black Widowers Stories”, “Azazel
> Stories” and “Short Mysteries”? It’s a bit up in the air as it’s
> unlikely that we’ll be working on it in the next few decades, but I
> guess you need to start somewhere!
>
> -Robin
>
>> On 29 Sep 2025, at 19:15, Robin Whittleton <ro...@reala.net> wrote:
>>
>> Might as well include everything from the Wiki page, then we’ve got
>> it. Starting that work at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/
>> d/1oge21ZYs1xEg9ummZmrDYepSCzBR4d3XuaSawoDyH3w/edit?usp=sharing
>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/
>> d/1oge21ZYs1xEg9ummZmrDYepSCzBR4d3XuaSawoDyH3w/edit?usp=sharing>
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Robin Whittleton

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Done.

I’d been working on this in the background as it’s only 3 stories. I’ve rebased that now to “Short Science Fiction” and pushed to https://github.com/robinwhittleton/isaac-asimov_short-science-fiction. I’d like to claim https://standardebooks.org/artworks/marsden-hartley/provincetown for the cover art when a production entry has been created.

Proofing in progress.

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Alex Cabal

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Sep 30, 2025, 7:12:36 PM (5 days ago) Sep 30
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OK!

On 9/30/25 4:19 PM, Robin Whittleton wrote:
> Done.
>
> I’d been working on this in the background as it’s only 3 stories. I’ve
> rebased that now to “Short Science Fiction” and pushed to https://
> github.com/robinwhittleton/isaac-asimov_short-science-fiction <https://
> github.com/robinwhittleton/isaac-asimov_short-science-fiction>. I’d like
> to claim https://standardebooks.org/artworks/marsden-hartley/
> provincetown <https://standardebooks.org/artworks/marsden-hartley/
> provincetown> for the cover art when a production entry has been created.
>
> Proofing in progress.
>
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Robin Whittleton

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This is ready for review. You didn’t assign anyone Alex, so I guess you’re up!

Nothing really to say apart from that I’d forgotten how good he was with writing a twist. The most recent PG transcription had forgotten to convert underscores to italics, but I’ve fixed that in our copy and let them know.

-Robin

Alex Cabal

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Oct 5, 2025, 12:47:45 PM (12 hours ago) Oct 5
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Looks good, I've released it! Thanks!

On 10/4/25 2:59 PM, Robin Whittleton wrote:
> This <https://github.com/robinwhittleton/isaac-asimov_short-science-
> fiction> is ready for review. You didn’t assign anyone Alex, so I guess
>> standardebooks/539b60b9-6b85-46ed-8bbe-3dcad29fc4a1%40standardebooks.org.
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Alex Cabal

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I also like the cover art selection, abstract but geometric enough to
suggest some kind of spaceship, and also in the shape of an A!

Robin Whittleton

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I was wondering if someone would see the big “A” that I did :)

-Robin

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