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Robin Whittleton
Jul 12, 2025, 9:30:32 AM7/12/25
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I watched Fritz Lang’s House by the River last month, and discovered it was based on this book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_House_by_the_River. It doesn’t seem particularly complicated: a handful of letters, books, ships, etc. Also some scansion. 65k words total so should be quite quick to proof; I’ll come up with cover art after I’ve read it.
Transcription: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/41791
-Robin
Alex Cabal
Jul 12, 2025, 1:04:57 PM7/12/25
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OK, Lukas will manage this with David reviewing.
On 7/12/25 8:30 AM, Robin Whittleton wrote:
> I watched Fritz Lang’s /House by the River/ last month, and discovered
> The_House_by_the_River>. It doesn’t seem particularly complicated: a
> www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/41791>
> Scans: https://archive.org/details/housebyriver00herbiala <https://
> archive.org/details/housebyriver00herbiala>
> Repo: https://github.com/robinwhittleton/a-p-herbert_the-house-by-the-
> river <https://github.com/robinwhittleton/a-p-herbert_the-house-by-the-
> river>
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On 7/12/25 8:30 AM, Robin Whittleton wrote:
> I watched Fritz Lang’s /House by the River/ last month, and discovered
> it was based on this book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> The_House_by_the_River <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> The_House_by_the_River>. It doesn’t seem particularly complicated: a
> handful of letters, books, ships, etc. Also some scansion. 65k words
> total so should be quite quick to proof; I’ll come up with cover art
> after I’ve read it.
>
> Transcription: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/41791 <https://
> total so should be quite quick to proof; I’ll come up with cover art
> after I’ve read it.
>
> www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/41791>
> Scans: https://archive.org/details/housebyriver00herbiala <https://
> archive.org/details/housebyriver00herbiala>
> Repo: https://github.com/robinwhittleton/a-p-herbert_the-house-by-the-
> river <https://github.com/robinwhittleton/a-p-herbert_the-house-by-the-
> river>
>
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Robin Whittleton
Jul 15, 2025, 4:51:42 PM7/15/25
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Cover art (if confirmed): “Nocturne: Blue and Silver - Chelsea” by Whistler. PD proof at the bottom of https://archive.org/details/lifejamesmcneil1penna/page/n288/mode/1up. I’ve uploaded it to https://standardebooks.org/artworks/james-abbott-mcneill-whistler/nocturne-blue-and-silver-chelsea.
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Lukas Bystricky
Jul 16, 2025, 1:15:21 AM7/16/25
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Looks good, I've added it to the project. Before I verify though, are you sure about the title? In the book it seems to be called Nocturne (Blue and Green).
Robin Whittleton
Jul 16, 2025, 1:21:45 AM7/16/25
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That’s what the Tate, where it’s held, call it these days. They’ve spent a chunk of time on the bibliography (that’s how I found this proof) so I suspect they’ve got the best idea on the title.
On 16 Jul 2025, at 07:15, Lukas Bystricky <lukasby...@gmail.com> wrote:
Looks good, I've added it to the project. Before I verify though, are you sure about the title? In the book it seems to be called Nocturne (Blue and Green).
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Robin Whittleton
Jul 19, 2025, 4:28:18 PM7/19/25
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OK, ready for review on this. Note: find-mismatched-diacritics will find some mismatched diacritics: these are OK as they’re scansion marks.
Apart from that it was a pretty simple production, just the usual smattering of light semantics. Three issues reported back to PG.
-Robin
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David Reimer
Jul 19, 2025, 4:54:58 PM7/19/25
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Okay Robin - I'll do my best to get to it tomorrow (Sunday).
David
Jul 20, 2025, 5:17:01 AM7/20/25
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Looks great, as ever, Robin. I've got just a question and a comment for you before handing off to Alex.
Robin Whittleton
Jul 20, 2025, 6:22:02 AM7/20/25
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On the question, can we get your opinion Alex: do you think 8.7.7.6 should apply to utterances from people with a stutter?
-Robin
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David
Jul 20, 2025, 8:35:08 AM7/20/25
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And otherwise, this is now ready for you, Alex.
On the question Robin raised, there are many occurrences of "stutters" marked with dashes, and a lot fewer with em-dashes. (FWIW)
(It seems Github's code search doesn't like backreferences, unfortunately.)
Vince Rice
Jul 20, 2025, 12:21:12 PM7/20/25
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Alex has said before on the list that stuttering did not fall under “prosaic effect.”
“Stuttering” aLao isn’t standardized between dashes and em dashes in our sources, so I don’t see any reason to do so ourselves. Sometimes the stuttering is from indecision, which makes for longer dashes. Sometimes it’s rapid, which makes for shorter dashes.
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On the question, can we get your opinion Alex: do you think 8.7.7.6 should apply to utterances from people with a stutter?
Alex Cabal
Jul 20, 2025, 2:42:43 PM7/20/25
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Right, it only applies to stretched out words.
The rule of thumb is that if a line break occurred at a purposeful dash,
and the line break could hide the reason for the dash, then a no break
hyphen is needed to prevent the break. The example in the manual isn't
great because in that example the words have added vowels, but typically
that's not the case.
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The rule of thumb is that if a line break occurred at a purposeful dash,
and the line break could hide the reason for the dash, then a no break
hyphen is needed to prevent the break. The example in the manual isn't
great because in that example the words have added vowels, but typically
that's not the case.
>> apply to utterances from people with a stutter?
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Alex Cabal
Jul 21, 2025, 12:50:33 PM7/21/25
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Looks good, I've released it. Thanks!
On 7/19/25 3:27 PM, Robin Whittleton wrote:
> OK, ready for review on this. Note: find-mismatched-diacritics will find
> some mismatched diacritics: these are OK as they’re scansion marks.
>
> Apart from that it was a pretty simple production, just the usual
> smattering of light semantics. Three issues reported back to PG.
>
> -Robin
>
>> On 16 Jul 2025, at 07:21, Robin Whittleton <ro...@reala.net> wrote:
>>
>> That’s what the Tate, where it’s held, call it these days. They’ve
>> spent a chunk of time on the bibliography (that’s how I found this
>> proof) so I suspect they’ve got the best idea on the title.
>>
>>> On 16 Jul 2025, at 07:15, Lukas Bystricky <lukasby...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Looks good, I've added it to the project. Before I verify though,
>>> are you sure about the title? In the book it seems to be called /
>>> Nocturne (Blue and Green)/.
>>> archive.org/details/lifejamesmcneil1penna/page/n288/mode/1up>.
>>> whistler/nocturne-blue-and-silver-chelsea>.
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>>>>> ebooks/41791 <http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/41791>>
>>>>> Scans: https://archive.org/details/housebyriver00herbiala
>>>>> <https://archive.org/details/housebyriver00herbiala> <https://
>>>>> archive.org/details/housebyriver00herbiala <http://archive.org/
>>>>> details/housebyriver00herbiala>>
>>>>> Repo: https://github.com/robinwhittleton/a-p-herbert_the-house-
>>>>> by-the- <https://github.com/robinwhittleton/a-p-herbert_the-
>>>>> house-by-the-> river <https://github.com/robinwhittleton/a-p-
>>>>> herbert_the-house-by-the- <https://github.com/robinwhittleton/
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On 7/19/25 3:27 PM, Robin Whittleton wrote:
> OK, ready for review on this. Note: find-mismatched-diacritics will find
> some mismatched diacritics: these are OK as they’re scansion marks.
>
> Apart from that it was a pretty simple production, just the usual
> smattering of light semantics. Three issues reported back to PG.
>
> -Robin
>
>> On 16 Jul 2025, at 07:21, Robin Whittleton <ro...@reala.net> wrote:
>>
>> That’s what the Tate, where it’s held, call it these days. They’ve
>> spent a chunk of time on the bibliography (that’s how I found this
>> proof) so I suspect they’ve got the best idea on the title.
>>
>>> On 16 Jul 2025, at 07:15, Lukas Bystricky <lukasby...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Looks good, I've added it to the project. Before I verify though,
>>> Nocturne (Blue and Green)/.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 15, 2025 at 10:51:42 PM UTC+2 robin wrote:
>>>
>>> Cover art (if confirmed): “Nocturne: Blue and Silver - Chelsea”
>>> by Whistler. PD proof at the bottom of https://archive.org/
>>> details/lifejamesmcneil1penna/page/n288/mode/1up <https://
>>> On Tuesday, July 15, 2025 at 10:51:42 PM UTC+2 robin wrote:
>>>
>>> Cover art (if confirmed): “Nocturne: Blue and Silver - Chelsea”
>>> by Whistler. PD proof at the bottom of https://archive.org/
>>> archive.org/details/lifejamesmcneil1penna/page/n288/mode/1up>.
>>> I’ve uploaded it to https://standardebooks.org/artworks/james-
>>> abbott-mcneill-whistler/nocturne-blue-and-silver-chelsea
>>> <https://standardebooks.org/artworks/james-abbott-mcneill-
>>> abbott-mcneill-whistler/nocturne-blue-and-silver-chelsea
>>> whistler/nocturne-blue-and-silver-chelsea>.
>>>
>>> thumbnail_c053461055007dd937acdd70e426620fc9c71981_EBOK_portrait.jpg
>>>
>>>> On 12 Jul 2025, at 19:04, Alex Cabal <al...@standardebooks.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> OK, Lukas will manage this with David reviewing.
>>>>
>>>> On 7/12/25 8:30 AM, Robin Whittleton wrote:
>>>>> I watched Fritz Lang’s /House by the River/ last month, and
>>>>> discovered it was based on this book: https://en.wikipedia.org/
>>>>> wiki/ <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/> The_House_by_the_River
>>> thumbnail_c053461055007dd937acdd70e426620fc9c71981_EBOK_portrait.jpg
>>>
>>>> On 12 Jul 2025, at 19:04, Alex Cabal <al...@standardebooks.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> OK, Lukas will manage this with David reviewing.
>>>>
>>>> On 7/12/25 8:30 AM, Robin Whittleton wrote:
>>>>> I watched Fritz Lang’s /House by the River/ last month, and
>>>>> discovered it was based on this book: https://en.wikipedia.org/
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>>>>> > The_House_by_the_River>. It doesn’t seem particularly
>>>>> complicated: a handful of letters, books, ships, etc. Also some
>>>>> scansion. 65k words total so should be quite quick to proof;
>>>>> I’ll come up with cover art after I’ve read it.
>>>>> Transcription: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/41791 <https://
>>>>> www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/41791> <https:// www.gutenberg.org/
>>>>> complicated: a handful of letters, books, ships, etc. Also some
>>>>> scansion. 65k words total so should be quite quick to proof;
>>>>> I’ll come up with cover art after I’ve read it.
>>>>> Transcription: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/41791 <https://
>>>>> ebooks/41791 <http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/41791>>
>>>>> Scans: https://archive.org/details/housebyriver00herbiala
>>>>> <https://archive.org/details/housebyriver00herbiala> <https://
>>>>> archive.org/details/housebyriver00herbiala <http://archive.org/
>>>>> details/housebyriver00herbiala>>
>>>>> Repo: https://github.com/robinwhittleton/a-p-herbert_the-house-
>>>>> by-the- <https://github.com/robinwhittleton/a-p-herbert_the-
>>>>> house-by-the-> river <https://github.com/robinwhittleton/a-p-
>>>>> herbert_the-house-by-the- <https://github.com/robinwhittleton/
>>>>> a-p-herbert_the-house-by-the-> river>
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