Dmitry Medvedev, Dy Chairman of the Russian Security Council, threatens ICC with missile strike

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Sukla Sen

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Mar 21, 2023, 11:53:13 AM3/21/23
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Medvedev is a former President and currently the Dy. Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation.

<<He [i.e. Dmitry Medvedev] said ICC judges shouldn’t have raised their hand against a major nuclear power.

"I’m afraid, gentlemen, everyone is answerable to God and missiles. It’s quite possible to imagine how a hypersonic Oniks fired from a Russian warship in the North Sea strikes the court building in the Hague. It can’t be shot down, I’m afraid. And the court is just a pathetic international organization, not the people of a NATO country. So, they won’t start a war. They’ll be scared. And no one will be sorry," the official said.

He urged the judges to "watch the skies closely."

The ICC issued an arrest warrant for Putin and Russia’s Children’s Rights Commissioner Maria Lvova-Belova on charges of "unlawful deportation" of Ukrainian children. Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov commented on the ruling by saying Moscow doesn’t recognize ICC jurisdiction.>>

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Mar 21, 2023, 10:06:33 PM3/21/23
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From: Sukla Sen <sukl...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Mar 21, 2023, 23:19
Subject: Re: [SP(I)] Dmitry Medvedev, Dy Chairman of the Russian Security Council, threatens ICC with missile strike
To: Satinath Choudhary <sati...@gmail.com>
Cc: foil-l <foi...@insaf.net>, Discussion list about emerging world social movement <wsm-d...@lists.openspaceforum.net>


Dear Sati ji,

Thanks for your thoughtful response.

I. The first thing first.
The criminality of the threat is just too brazen. Regardless of "credibility" or whatever.

II. <<The Court, which is composed of 15 judges, has a twofold role: first, to settle, in accordance with international law, legal disputes between States submitted to it by them and, second, to give advisory opinions on legal matters referred to it by duly authorized United Nations organs and specialized agencies.
...
Only States are eligible to appear before the Court in contentious cases. At present, this essentially means the 193 Member States of the United Nations.

The Court has no jurisdiction to deal with applications from individuals, non-governmental organizations, corporations or any other private entity. It cannot provide them with legal advice or help them in their dealings with national authorities.>>


So, the Court doesn't take up any case suo motu.
A state has to file a complaint.
Did any state file a complaint against Bush or whoever mentioned by you???
If so, please substantiate.

Sukla

On Tue, Mar 21, 2023, 23:08 Satinath Choudhary <sati...@gmail.com> wrote:
There would have been some credibility in ICC and its judgment if it had insisted upon a simultaneous trial of Putin and at the very least GW Bush, junior, for whatever he did in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and around the world, even if they omitted Obama+Hillary Clinton+Biden for what they did in Libia, and continued to aggressions against Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and many other places, and omitted Trump and Biden for continuing their continued interference in Syria, Ukraine, Israel-Palestine conflict (via unconditional support of Israel), and many other countries around the world. 

For the above reasons, ICC does not have any credibility among the peace-loving people of the world. 
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However, there does appear to be a ray of hope in the following two pieces of information, one of which was provided by a link to Tass provided in the above message: (Excerpted from: <https://tass.com/politics/1591199>.).I got the other one from a video put online by NBC News:
(1) Russia-Ukraine talks to begin on Monday morning — source
https://tass.com/politics/1412755
and,
(2) New Peace Talks Between Russia And Ukraine Begin With Mistrust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY0PxqM-218



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Mar 21, 2023, 10:20:53 PM3/21/23
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Screaming and screeching is hardly any substitute for reasoned arguments.
And whataboutery speaks for itself -- too eloquently.

Lest we get distracted, let me repeat:

<<The Court, which is composed of 15 judges, has a twofold role: first, to settle, in accordance with international law, legal disputes between States submitted to it by them and, second, to give advisory opinions on legal matters referred to it by duly authorized United Nations organs and specialized agencies.
...
Only States are eligible to appear before the Court in contentious cases. At present, this essentially means the 193 Member States of the United Nations.

The Court has no jurisdiction to deal with applications from individuals, non-governmental organizations, corporations or any other private entity. It cannot provide them with legal advice or help them in their dealings with national authorities.>>


So, the Court doesn't take up any case suo motu.
A state has to file a complaint.

The inevitable question that arises is why no state has filed any complaint???

Further to that:
<<123 countries are States Parties to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court. Out of them 33 are African States, 19 are Asia-Pacific States, 18 are from Eastern Europe, 28 are from Latin American and Caribbean States, and 25 are from Western European and other States.>>

Significantly, neither the US, nor Russia nor China nor India is among its members.

Sukla

On Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 01:36 raja swamy <raja....@gmail.com> wrote:
Also speaking of brazen, what is the ongoing Zionist atrocity in Palestine? The clownshow called ICC doesn't even notice it. 
raja..

On Tue, Mar 21, 2023, 4:03 PM raja swamy <raja....@gmail.com> wrote:
So now the ICC is correct because of procedural integrity? When it is able to hold genocidaires in DC and London accountable, it can claim to be "international." Until then the I in ICC stands for Imperialist. 
Cheers,
raja..

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Mar 22, 2023, 9:23:21 PM3/22/23
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Thanks!

Sukla

On Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 08:37 chukka srinivas <csri...@hotmail.com> wrote:

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Mar 22, 2023, 11:20:51 PM3/22/23
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Dear Friends,

As friends have pointed out, the second point made in the following reply is gravely erroneous because the citation pertains to the ICJ and not ICC.
That was a terrible slip.
My apologies.

Some of the points that have been provided and emerge are as under.

1. The ICJ is the principal judicial organ of the United Nations, established by the UN Charter (see UN Charter Article 92 et seq. and the Statute of the International Court of Justice.  The ICC was established by the Rome Statute of 1998, which entered into force in 2002, establishing the ICC. 

The ICJ's jurisdiction concerns disputes between states, although it may also render advisory opinions at the request of UN bodies (e.g. its 1996 advisory opinion on the legality of nuclear weapons).

The ICC investigates and tries individuals for serious crimes under international law: genocide, crimes against humanity; war crimes, and the  crime of aggression.

Two very useful websites are:

2. Apart from that, the list of states that have not recognised the ICC includes, inter alia: the US, Russia, China, India, Israel etc.
Significantly, the UK, France, Germany, Canada, Australia and the State of Palestine are among the member states.

It quite significantly posits: 
The court has angered nonmembers by launching probes into possible war crimes in Afghanistan, the Palestinian territories, and Ukraine.

3. The US has a history of strongly opposing -- not promoting -- the ICC.
A few illustrations:

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