Orlando

[John Case]

What is going on with Hillary and half the Dem establishment (maybe more) leaning toward military involvement in Syria as a response to the Orlando shooting??

Is this part of the dues we pay for relying upon a liberal to defeat Trump? We get war-baited by that horses ass, that complete fraud, into another complete fuck-up in the Mid EAst? We right off abandon the reluctance of Obama to to blow some more Mideast shit up?

I confess a certain sexist error in tending to attribute Hillary's hawkish posture to a perception issue -- can a woman president pull the trigger? Its not just posture.

There is ONLY ONE short term response to the Orlando shooting: ban ALL assault weapons. period. And enforce it. There's the rub.  If you can't do that, then, just at least, please, tell the truth -- There is NO Protection against the insanities arising from this increasingly divided, unjustifiably unequal society. You better Arm UP and prepare yourself for the blood-dimmed tide.

I see Sanders response -- ban the assault weapons -- did not stop him from remaining focused on the basics confronting our society. But doing so left him open to the accusation of be "tone deaf" to the importance and sensitivity to "hateful ideologies".  I was prepared to consider that accusation until I heard Hillary -- and many others on the liberal side -- sing the true tone: go to war against "radical jihadism".

NO thanks.

 

John Case
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[Sam Webb]

What's this "Arm Up" and "blood-dimmed tide" stuff? I thought we put that rhetoric to bed a long time ago. And as a former Catholic, I was told that one sin (Hillary's) never negated another sin (Bernie's); even a good deed didn't clean the slate. Sam

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The very social forces that are the bedrock of the Clinton electoral coalition must press the candidate to call for a ban on assault weapons and say no to the insane call to bomb Syria. The peace movement also must play a role here. This cannot be interpreted as taking the focus off the ultra right danger.

If we had a left worth its salt, we could play a role here. 

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[John Case]

No doubt my metrics on good vs bad foreign policy are very poorly informed. Both Afghanistan and Iraq look like the worst failures since Vietnam to me. But what do I know compared to Clinton's and Obama's info about real vs fanciful alternatives? I just observe that even this latest horrific slaughter did not persuade Sanders, or me, to demote austerity and inequality from the TOP of the list of political priorities in this election; or tempt me to believe that further US military adventures in the Mid east will have the slightest (positive) impact on mass shootings in the US.

It's not that Clinton does not want to do the right thing about inequality, or violence. It's just that her calculations about the political center keep making it entirely reasonable to bump the key questions off the top of the to-do list

Is that better than Trump? Of course. But does it make you want to turn in yr weapons? Your choice.

[John Case]

I am NOT talking about infantile "armed" theories of revolution. I am simply and only talking about the slaughter right now going on in every American community. Who is going to do the disarming?

On Jun 18, 2016 8:37 AM, "Sam Webb" <sw...@cpusa.org> wrote:

[Pat Fry]

John, I am getting lost - what do you mean by who is going to do the disarming? Are you for or against a ban on assault weapons? Pat

[Sam Webb]

Well Said, Pat.

[John Case]

I am for it. But in this environment, it will fail. If a ban passed Congress tomorrow, who enforces it? Peace, and a weapons ban, to use an apocryphal but well-known analogy, came to Tombstone AFTER the Clantons an McLowrys were put down by the Earp's. Chief of police in Shepherdstown says he's scared to death.