OT: Need rack/panniers advice

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Russ

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May 21, 2019, 12:54:49 PM5/21/19
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I want to give my shoulders a break, so I figured I'd mount a rack on my Roubaix Disc (QR) and get a set of Ortliebs.  

Q: This axiom road looks like it's made to attach to a caliper brake.  Is it easily adapted for disk: https://www.biketiresdirect.com/product/axiom-streamliner-road-dlx-rear-rack.  Seems reasonably priced but I want to be sure it'll be sturdy, or it's not worth it.

Q: Am also thinking of going with the 'sport' size pannier.  At 12.5L each, it seems big enough.  Is this the size others typically use: https://www.biketiresdirect.com/product/ortlieb-sport-roller-classic-pannier-set

Patrick, got the popcorn ready....  Any other recommendations? 

Thanks.

R Samuel Klatchko

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May 21, 2019, 1:19:27 PM5/21/19
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There's also the Streamline Disc.

Patrick Kitto

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May 21, 2019, 1:34:32 PM5/21/19
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I think the panier debate cant hold a candle to the now inevitable backpack debate to come.

I have a larger sibling of the axiom rack on my grocery getter (Surly Straggler) to attached the lil buddy seat. It is super solid - definitely a recommended buy if you dont want to pony up for Tubus, which i passed on because the rails are not parallel, nor is it not tested/rated for a child seat. But if i was just going to a panier rack id be in for the tubus cus they look really nice.

The bracket int he image is to attached to a caliper brake, but the double stays will be more solid if you have the proper braze-ons, or use P-clamps (P-clamps may not be more solid. your call to review).

I have no input on paniers, but have also been eyeing them a bit...

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R Samuel Klatchko

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May 21, 2019, 1:50:15 PM5/21/19
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If you don't have built in mounts for the seat stays but have a replaceable seatclamp, there our clamps with mount points such as https://www.axiomgear.com/products/racks/accessories/trekk-seat-collar/

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Devon Proctor

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May 21, 2019, 3:00:36 PM5/21/19
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They've never seemed to have found favor among SF2Gers but I have always enjoyed using a large seatpost bag in lieu of panniers, e.g.

or

While they don't have the capacity of panniers, they comfortably fit a 13" laptop, change of clothes and spare shoes. They're considerably more aerodynamic (and lighter) than panniers and are easy to switch between bikes. 

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Patrick Kitto

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May 21, 2019, 3:32:23 PM5/21/19
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you got a laptop on a revelate seat bag?!?

I have been thinking about trying that in lieu of my backpack, but the laptop is the hang-up.

John French

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May 21, 2019, 3:38:35 PM5/21/19
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Speaking of bag styles which are not favored by SF2Gers…

I'm partial to the big boxy randonneur-style front bag: https://www.ruthworkssf.com/store/p72/Ultralight_Randonneur.html (Made locally in the Mission!)
Despite appearances, it might acutally be more aero than a saddlebag (and certainly better than panniers): https://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/aerodynamics-of-real-world-bicycles/

It also has the advantage of offering access while riding for stowing extra layers etc. It can just barely fit a 13" laptop - diagonally, with the lid of the bag bulging a bit. Requires a front rack and ideally some kind of mechanism to attach to the stem.

On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 at 12:00:36 PM UTC-7, Devon wrote:
They've never seemed to have found favor among SF2Gers but I have always enjoyed using a large seatpost bag in lieu of panniers, e.g.

or

While they don't have the capacity of panniers, they comfortably fit a 13" laptop, change of clothes and spare shoes. They're considerably more aerodynamic (and lighter) than panniers and are easy to switch between bikes. 

On Tue, May 21, 2019, 1:50 PM R Samuel Klatchko <r...@moocat.org> wrote:
If you don't have built in mounts for the seat stays but have a replaceable seatclamp, there our clamps with mount points such as https://www.axiomgear.com/products/racks/accessories/trekk-seat-collar/

On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 10:34 AM Patrick Kitto <patric...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think the panier debate cant hold a candle to the now inevitable backpack debate to come.

I have a larger sibling of the axiom rack on my grocery getter (Surly Straggler) to attached the lil buddy seat. It is super solid - definitely a recommended buy if you dont want to pony up for Tubus, which i passed on because the rails are not parallel, nor is it not tested/rated for a child seat. But if i was just going to a panier rack id be in for the tubus cus they look really nice.

The bracket int he image is to attached to a caliper brake, but the double stays will be more solid if you have the proper braze-ons, or use P-clamps (P-clamps may not be more solid. your call to review).

I have no input on paniers, but have also been eyeing them a bit...

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I want to give my shoulders a break, so I figured I'd mount a rack on my Roubaix Disc (QR) and get a set of Ortliebs.  

Q: This axiom road looks like it's made to attach to a caliper brake.  Is it easily adapted for disk: https://www.biketiresdirect.com/product/axiom-streamliner-road-dlx-rear-rack.  Seems reasonably priced but I want to be sure it'll be sturdy, or it's not worth it.

Q: Am also thinking of going with the 'sport' size pannier.  At 12.5L each, it seems big enough.  Is this the size others typically use: https://www.biketiresdirect.com/product/ortlieb-sport-roller-classic-pannier-set

Patrick, got the popcorn ready....  Any other recommendations? 

Thanks.

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Devon Proctor

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May 21, 2019, 4:31:12 PM5/21/19
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On Tue, May 21, 2019, 3:32 PM Patrick Kitto <patric...@gmail.com> wrote:
you got a laptop on a revelate seat bag?!?
Yep, an x1 carbon was a perfect fit for my older 14L revelate bag, but other 13" models might not work as well. 

Peter Colijn

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May 21, 2019, 4:31:58 PM5/21/19
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Couple things:
1. the rack in the OP (https://www.biketiresdirect.com/product/axiom-streamliner-road-dlx-rear-rack) is definitely for use with caliper rim brakes and is not easily adapted to a disc brake bike. That said, I used it for years on my Tarmac and it was pretty good. The only issues I had were the limited clearance between the tire and the rack (not great for dirt/mud rides) and they wore out after a while, from the rubbing of the pannier against the tubes of the rack. I think I went through 3 of them. I haven't used the 'streamliner disc' version that Samuel mentioned, though unfortunately it's significantly less "streamline"
2. lately, I've been using Tailfin, which is pricey but very good and works on pretty much any bike (rim brake, disc brake, QR, thru axle, whatever). If you're interested I might be able to get you a discount code or something.

Peter

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Johan Beisser

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May 21, 2019, 4:32:17 PM5/21/19
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I'm not entirely sold on bar or fork based bags, but I'll happily vouch for how much happier my back is by having my laptop, etc, in a pannier. The only real issue I've had is sidewinds hitting a bit harder than they would otherwise.

The YEPP i have also keeps me from mounting the Ortlieb bags on my rack, they don't play nice together. This makes me consider getting the front rack on the bike, so I can mount the child seat and have some luggage.

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George Lumpkin

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May 22, 2019, 12:48:54 AM5/22/19
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I have a Streamliner Disc with Ortliebs on my now-stolen Roubaix Disc. Though my bike was a disc bike, it still had the mounts for caliper brakes so it was easy to add this rack.. If your Roubaix has a caliper mount, then this combination of rack and bags works great. I wouldn't have wanted/needed anything else.  I was carrying commute-to-work weight loads (laptop + clothes), so I don't have any experience with heavy loads. 

Elliot Schwartz

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May 23, 2019, 10:57:22 PM5/23/19
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On Tue, May 21, 2019, 12:00 PM Devon Proctor <devon....@gmail.com> wrote:
They've never seemed to have found favor among SF2Gers but I have always enjoyed using a large seatpost bag in lieu of panniers, e.g.


Christine Ryan

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May 23, 2019, 11:05:08 PM5/23/19
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Wow--thanks! I got one of those (at least, it might be the 2019) at an REI garage sale this winter...

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Eric Altendorf

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May 23, 2019, 11:41:13 PM5/23/19
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I don't know about panniers, but for a rack.....Tubus Titanium.


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Russ

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May 24, 2019, 1:46:28 PM5/24/19
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I think I'm going to give this a try.  When I checked the screw in the back, it didn't seem the typical size.  Do you recall having to do anything slightly different to use the caliper mount?

So bummed that bike was stolen.  There have been a number of workhorses stolen recently.  So wrong.

Thanks everyone for the advice. 

George Lumpkin

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May 27, 2019, 1:10:04 AM5/27/19
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I don't recall any problems when installing the rack. You can easily bend the center bracket to the angle that you need, and that hole in the bracket worked with the screw used for the caliper mount without any special modifications. 

The only trial and error that I recall is with the Ortliebs. I had Ortlieb Backroller Classics. You need to mount the panniers on the rack so that your heel doesn't hit the front side of the pannier. So the clasps on the pannier need to be adjusted to be farther back on the pannier itself, and then attached to the top bar of the rack as far back as possible. This was all pretty straightforward, but it took me a couple of iterations to get it right. 
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