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Hello,We have some known bugs in the Rhizome LBARD synchronisation code and radio handling, as well as needing to update the app on the Play store. The current plan is to do a fair bit of work on this early in the new year, if not sooner.Paul.
On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 at 14:53, Klaus Wuestefeld <klauswu...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, What do you think is the bit that's missing?
On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 11:56 PM Paul Gardner-Stephen
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> Hi Klaus,
>
> We would obviously like to get Serval to the point where it will be more widely used. There is a bit of software development work that we need to do to enable that, however.
>
> Paul.
>
> On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 at 09:21, Klaus Wuestefeld <klauswu...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Hi, I'm the author of the dormant Sneer (Sovereign Computing) project. http://sneer.me/project.html
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>> I met Dr Paul in Barcelona in 2012.
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>> I wonder: are you guys happy with Serval adoption or would you like for it to be more widely adopted?
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>> Cheers, Klaus
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Hello,I found the alpha version of the new Serval version. Unfortunately it crashes strait away (Android 9). Is there a way to help with some logs or something?Ulf
On Sunday, 8 September 2019 08:29:17 UTC+2, Paul Gardner-Stephen wrote:
Hello,We have some known bugs in the Rhizome LBARD synchronisation code and radio handling, as well as needing to update the app on the Play store. The current plan is to do a fair bit of work on this early in the new year, if not sooner.Paul.
On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 at 14:53, Klaus Wuestefeld <klauswu...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, What do you think is the bit that's missing?
On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 11:56 PM Paul Gardner-Stephen
<pa...@servalproject.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Klaus,
>
> We would obviously like to get Serval to the point where it will be more widely used. There is a bit of software development work that we need to do to enable that, however.
>
> Paul.
>
> On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 at 09:21, Klaus Wuestefeld <klauswu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, I'm the author of the dormant Sneer (Sovereign Computing) project. http://sneer.me/project.html
>>
>> I met Dr Paul in Barcelona in 2012.
>>
>> I wonder: are you guys happy with Serval adoption or would you like for it to be more widely adopted?
>>
>> Cheers, Klaus
>>
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I will send some logs as soon as I find some time to sort that out.
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Am 08/09/2019 um 14.27 schrieb Paul Gardner-Stephen:
> Hello,
>
> This is exactly one of the use-cases for Serval that we work with the NZ
> Red Cross on.
>
> We agree that maintaining and Android app is one of the harder parts.
>
> But also making a fully self-oganising mesh, so that you don't have to
> think when you put your various links in place, but just have it magically
> work, and work around when the network partitions -- these are also
> significant challenges, and ones where we have put a lot of thinking and
> effort over the years. This is what the Mesh Extenders do, making what we
> internally call "radio lego" where you can use all sorts of strange radio
> links, put LBARD over them, and then just use them with your android phones
> as though it was all compatible internet links.
Just sharing a few thoughts and experience we had with fieldtracks:
I guess, that most of the mesh-techniques are already available:
Some people from my university started a spin-off for a wireless
backhaul network, focusing on "just works". It provides internet for
rural areas (e.g. in Africa) including DVB-T.
Researcher are trying to
integrate LoraWAN modules nowadays, that focus on 868 Mhz / Lora. [1] -
unfortunately, it's not OpenSource and we're not using it.
Some LBARD-style IoT networks have OpenSource components (e.g.
Lora-Server [2]), providing interfaces based on MQTT.
freifunk.net, The Things network (TTN) a some of animal protection
communities have been are tinkering with various outdoor mesh nodes for
years. E.g. designs for TV-white space shifters [3] and MPPT [4] exists
as Open Hardware.
Patching things together is not as easy as pie, but people have done
similar thinks before and you can find tutorials online.
But .. messaging is a different beast, I guess.
If the app is supposed work in the global internet as well as in a
isolated mesh network, it requires a middleware different from firebase
(among others), but still restricted to smartphone's platform.
Providing a decent UX across multiple channels has hardly been done
before. Briar is close to that (imho), but its focus on different users
/ use-cases makes it unusable in our context. Creating a fork won't help
much, I guess. There isn't much to build up on.
Other programs (firechat, qaul, conversations) do not provide a unified
ux over different channels (wifi direct, global internet, etc.) - most
do not support multiple channels at all.
In addition to that, there's to be an active open source community
adapting platform changes of the systems in use.
In fieldtracks, implementing the end-user application consumes about 10
times the effort the mesh network. I guess, that it'll be similar for
serval. Due to this, we ruled out to create our own messaging app in the
foreseeable future.
> Oh, we also have a mostly finished iOS app in the wings.
That's great!
> As for a roadmap, we haven't had the resources lately to do anything formal
> on that front. We'd welcome collaborators helping with this. We already
> work with the SEEMOO group at TU-Darmstadt, which I think is not too far
> from yourselves (compared with Australia, at least ;). Indeed, it seems
> that you guys are in the neighbouring Bundesländer.
Nice ;-).
> That all said, my plan is at the end of the year I will be based in the
> Australian Outback to focus on knocking these bugs out and undertaking some
> serious field testing. I'll also likely be back and forth to Germany to
> visit SEEMOO, qaul.net and various other folks. So if you would like to be
> part of the action and join with us to bring this technology to maturity,
> we would welcome that.
Sounds cool, you can drop by at the C4 [5] or the wireless community [6]
weekend. Battlemesh [7] is also an interesting event to visit. Visiting
the 36c3 [8] is also an option.
> Obwohl mein Deutsch ist gar nicht Perfekt, ich bin
> eher bequem auf Deutsch zu arbeiten, wenn es notwending würde. Wir wollen
> mindestens, dass Serval bisprächig Englisch-Deutsch sein soll.
I'm looking forward to it ;)
Greetz, yanosz
[1] https://www.wiback.org/
[2] https://www.loraserver.io/
[3] https://github.com/elektra42/Freifunk-Libremesh-TVWS-Converter
https://wiki.freifunk.net/images/5/54/Freifunk-in-TV-Whitespace2.pdf
[4] https://github.com/elektra42/freifunk-open-mppt
[5] https://koeln.ccc.de/
[6] https://wiki.freifunk.net/Wireless_Community_Weekend
[7] https://battlemesh.org/
[8] https://events.ccc.de/
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