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[Megzari Raphael]

Hi,

     I saw that previously sensorica was using something called NRP (Network resource planning), which a tool to organise P2P production.

    I'm trying to understand at the moment a UI that could work for Valueflo.ws.

   I wonder what were the problems with NRP, what were the workflows that were the most used and what a version 2.0 would look like.

Raphael

[Tiberius Brastaviceanu]

Hi Rhael,

We can schedule some regular meeting to cover all that. 

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[Megzari Raphael]

Thank you for your answer on this!

At the moment I'm chatting with the people behind the old NRP to understand the old system. (Bob & Lynn)

I'm still a little behind on understanding the different pieces. How about we try to setup a meeting in a couple of weeks once I know about the valueflows system a bit better?

I plan to share whatever comes out of those discussion, and of course take into account feedback from sensorica to modify any prospective UI.

I will update this once there I have more to share

[Miguel Novik]

Great. I look forward to hearing from you.

 I would love to clarify common targets and gather strengths...

Maybe you will understand the NRP better than me,  I would love to use it....but for my purposes it does not work. it has to be improved,  and no one at the sensorica forum wanted to work on this....

It is all about understanding what we want to achieve.... the purpose, our inner intentions about having a NRP that helps and enables ¨ open .working¨ ..

Today, as far as I know, each group that decides to use the current NRP has to define and agree on too many things (working agreements)..... My proposal is to have ¨ one ready proposal¨ and then each group could highlight the modifications they decide........ But the reason why we need a NRP,  and the criterias for the ¨one ready proposal¨ have to be very clear from the beginning...

I know that you have a much more technological approach than me, I hope in the future it will make sense to review if we have common targets, and gather strengths to work for them.

Good luck.

Best Regards,

Miguel

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[Megzari Raphael]

After going in depth of how the current system is working. The next step is to gather requirements from interested users.

Specifically, in a perfect world we can answer the following

- Why are they interested in using that software?

- What are the problems with the previous software that they've identified ? (I'm sure there are many, but identifying the major ones would be a first step)

- What are the current workflows that they want to be supported by the new software? (There are probably many, but identifying the core ones is what matters the most here)

Would anybody be willing to go through a user interview around this?

I'm willing to document the process so that all the resulting data can be kept for whoever would work on this?

The idea here is to work just from a UI/UX perspective of how the ideal system would look like. Independent of how complicated the backend is.

[Tiberius Brastaviceanu]

Hi, 

Yes, I can do that with you, if we document and share the results publically. 

I also propose to go over the Greens for Good project, which is a context of use, a use case unfolding. You can wake a look at everything yourself, but there are things that you'll provably miss or not understand why some things are the way they are. If we do a good, steuctured descriptive job I will publish that on the Holochain forum as well. 

Moreover, we have lots of observations and insights in a few documents. I also propose to go over those and perhaps structure the content a little better. 

I can commit to one or two regular sessions per week (2 hours each). We could be more than two. 

Before we start, I would like to read something about your understanding of the NRP, as a result of your discussions que Bob and Lynn. That is to have an idea from where we start.  

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[Raphael Megzari]

Thank you for willing to commit time to this!

What format would work best for you. I know sensorica works a lot with google docs. If you want to create a doc, we can input things there. I usually use paper.dropbox.com/ . Which is about the same thing. Whatever works best for you.

Regarding my understanding of NRP. We went through the old NRP system. We went through the different workflows, how you create a recipe, that creates a plan, that creates commitments, and how people would log their contributions against those commitments. We went through how someone would log a contribution that was not part of the plan. We went through the 'view' layer. How you view a Plan, or a process. We also went through the datastructure underlying NRP and what each things mean and how they relate to each other.

If there is any particular document you want me to go through I would be happy to.

Regardint the greens for good, is this what we are talking about https://www.greensforgood.co.uk/

Regarding the sessions, I understand it would be okay if other people joined, correct? There are other people working on this, I'm not sure they will be able to attend, but just in case.

Let me know,

Raphael

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[sowe...@gmail.com]

Hi! I am writing as a member of the WiseLifeLab action-research group. We are following this discussion as potential users of the Valuefo.ws. We are involved at a community level to implement our Wise Commoning platform. We need a value accounting system to recognize volunteer work and promote self-organization and protection from emergencies in a social, eonomic and health-related perspective. Maybe we could schedule a call to introduce our work and see how we could collaborate.

Let us know,

Sowelu Avanzo

[Lynn Foster]

Hi Sowelu Avanzo,

Looks like you are doing interesting work at WiseLifeLab, love the focus on action research!  It would be great to hear an introduction to your work.  If a call gets organized, I'd like to participate, as would my partner Bob Haugen.  I'm a maintainer in valueflo.ws, Bob and I have worked with Sensorica on their software in the past, and are also helping out with projects currently implementing Valueflows, one of which Sensorica may use.  We can stay in the background in a call, to not interfere with the conversation with Sensorica and Raphael. :)

Lynn Foster

[sowelu avanzo]

Dear Lynn and Raphael,

thank you for your interest. We are looking forward to knowing more about your work too.

As we are based in Italy, our time zone is GMT+2. let us know which time would be best to arrange the call. Could 14:00 or 15:00 Rome time work for everyone?

Best wishes,

Sowelu

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[Raphael Megzari]

Thank you for your Answer.

I think 2 pm Rome time would be amazing. Lynn when you have a chance, can you confirm it's good on your end? I think it should be 9 am.

Here is the proposed questions that I think would be good to get to

https://paper.dropbox.com/doc/Proposed-interview-content--BMRKkbRFnG7iO7fd8E_2Bz7OAg-zz0prjPp01pJRjK5MKd8d

   One small thing. Would it work for you if we recorded the interview? No worries if you feel uncomfortable. The idea is that we can share with another developper the interview afterward. Potentially we can conduct this in the open in case other people join later.

Raphael

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[Tiberius Brastaviceanu]

Hi Raphael and all,

Sorry for the delay.

I am good for Thursday and Friday mornings. I can also do Saturday morning.

We can work wherever you like, I can make a copy for Sensorica when we're done.

I think this process can be done in a larger group, because as we talk about our experience we can learn from each other. There's more value for everyone. Let's see if we can all agree on a day and time Sowelu.

Raphael, I probably don't understand the scope of your work when you say :

I'm trying to understand at the moment a UI that could work for Valueflo.ws.

Are you thinking about building a UI for an application like the NRP? If that is the case, then these questions and a 2 hour session will be just a drop in a bucket of the required work. I thought that you wanted to engage in a collaborative relationship for something more ambitious when I said:

I can commit to one or two regular sessions per week (2 hours each). We could be more than two [individuals]. 

In any case, let's schedule a meeting and get a better idea about what you are working on. 

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[Raphael Megzari]

Let's aim for Friday 2 pm in Italy which is 9 am in Montreal, which should be 8 am for Lynn and bob. Let's try jitsi if possible, I will create a room and post a link 1 hour before the meeting.

If it doesn't work for anybody, please feel free to say so.

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[sowe...@gmail.com]

Dear Raphael, Tiberius, and Lynn,

Unfortunately we have an unexpected workload related to the presentation we are contributing to organize at the University of Trieste. We will co-convene the track  Sars CoV-2 through Co production of Health and the Design of Commons-Based Ecosystems by Adopting Distributed Ledger Technologies? at the STS Italia conference  Disentangling Technoscience on June 18th. For us it would be difficult to actively participate in the call tomorrow, even though we are eager to contribute to this conversation. It would be much better for us if we could organize a call after that date. Let me know if this works with your plans.

I apologize for the short notice.

Best wishes,

Sowelu

[Raphael Megzari]

Thank you for your update!

How are you doing for time the week of the 21st of June? We could potentially do a call in one of the afternoons from 2 pm Italian time. For example how about wednesday 23rd of June at 2 pm Italian time? Feel free to propose another day if it works better for you.

Tiberius, Lynn, how about we maintain a call on Friday morning for you and start gathering requirements together?

Raphael

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[Tiberius Brastaviceanu]

Yes, I am OK for tomorrow and Wednesday 23rd anytime is good for me as well.

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[sowe...@gmail.com]

For us June 23rd at 14 would be perfect too.

Best wishes,

Sowelu Avanzo

[Lynn Foster]

I am fine for June 23 at 14 in Italy.

Lynn

[Raphael Megzari]

Perfect, then let's aim for the 23rd for the next meeting.

For the meeting in 15 min let's use this url if it works for all

https://meet.jit.si/a_better_nrp

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[Tiberius Brastaviceanu]

Notes from our conversation

https://paper.dropbox.com/doc/Sensorica--BMfuZiSMhstBrjGBCKkj_9iGAg-33SPKd2WQru3hsu7GB1YY

[Raphael Megzari]

Thank you for sharing this.

Here is the link to the video

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ofs6yhsxek2pmee/a_better_nrp%20on%202021-06-11%2015-01.mp4?dl=0

I will leave the video available for a couple of weeks if anybody wants to download it.

Thank you again for your time and your contribution Tiberius!

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[Bob Haugen]

Tiberius,  thanks for the notes.

 I'm interested in more details about a couple of them. I'd like to start with
>  An organisation (group of people) cannot contribute to another project.

Got an example or two, maybe with links to the old NRP pages if that situation was recorded in any way there?

This is an ongoing issue in Holochain, for example, and will get to the surface soon in ActivityPub. 

[Bob Haugen]

I'm also interested in 

>  Problem with designing a workflow. No flexibility of the recipe.

What types of flexibilities are missing that you have wanted?

[Tiberius Brastaviceanu]

Hi Bob,

We recently had an exchange about this with Hadi. See pdf attached.

The case was about Praxeco, which has the status of a community  within the Sensorica ecosystem. Hadi stewards this community.

The case occurred within the Greens for Good project (formally Leaves Blender). Since Praxeco was involved with Precious Plastic, they had experience with extruders and heavier mechanics. Hadi proposed to have Praxeco as an affiliate of the Greens of Good project, instead of him as an individual and other members of the Prazeco community. Any Praxeco member could contribute to the project and log as Praxeco. Money would be transferred from CAKE (Sensorica's Custodian) to Praxeco and the final distribution would take place within Praxeco, according to their own redistribution agreements. Bernard is a Praxeco member active in the Greens for Good project.

The problem is that an agent cannot be a network, individual and/or a context (project) at the same time in the NRP.

So we had to create PraxecoAffiliate as an individual within the NRP.

A requirement would be to consider Agent Types as properties of an Agent, and make it possible for Agents to have more than one of these properties ast the same time. An Agent can be a Custodian in a Project or in a Network and be an Affiliate in another Project or Network. An Agent can be a Network but can also be an affiliate within another Network. Etc... 

Some rules are required. For example, I would add a rule to forbid an Agent to be the Custodian and an Affiliate in the same Project. That is because this represents conflict of interest, giving the Costodian+Affiliate more control and influence than other Affiliates.

So this redefinition of Agent Type requires a logic, which is based on an Ethos (system of rules) and becomes part of the formal Governance.

Bob, you can tag me in that discussion with Holochain. This type of issue branches beyond the NRP and valueflows. I could provide more insights based on the Sensorica experience.

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[Bob Haugen]

Great example, very useful details, thank you very much. Will find relevant messages in Holochain forum and tag you there.

[sowe...@gmail.com]

perfect, thank you. Looking forward to the call on June 23rd.

Best wishes,

Sowelu

[Tiberius Brastaviceanu]

>  Problem with designing a workflow. No flexibility of the recipe.

What types of flexibilities are missing that you have wanted?

Hi Bob,

During the conversation I spoke about flexibility in general, on the planning side, as well as on the feedback side (analysis and visuals on the state of the open enterprise).

"No flexibility of the recipe." would imply that we want to preserve recipe as a method to organize workflows, but need to allow the user to customize recipes. The need for flexibility in planning that I expressed goes beyond recipes. It is to allow groups to use various planning and management models, in different types of processes, from the ones that are highly scripted to the ones that cannot be formalized, but still require tools to keep track of things. I also spoke about the difference between planning and emergence through stigmergy. We are experimenting a lot with stigmergy in the Greens for Good project. You can see the traces of stignergy in the work environment (example). I believe that self organization of processes through stigmergy has great potential and can be scaled. Planning doesn't scale well. I see the signs in that. I also discovered that very few people can perform well in this stigmergic mode, not because we don't have the ability to do it as human beings, but because we haven't learned it, we haven't developed the skills. I can see how people are improving.

So the NRP should offer flexibility on that whole spectrum, from planning to self organization of processes through stigmergy. Any planning method or tool that people might want to use could be made to interface with the NRP, which is translating everything into the NRP language built on REA. I think the NRP should not prescribe planning methods and tools. It should only offer an interface for planning methods and tools to plug into it.

NOTE: I will remix the discussion video linked above, I'll add visuals to it, so that people see what we are talking about. I'll repost the new version on LBRY.

 

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[Bob Haugen]

Thanks again for the detailed feedback and examples. I look forward to the enhanced video. We watched the last one with popcorn. Will do it again.

[Bob Haugen]

Re stigmergy: 

Tiberius, we once created some front-page lists that were intended to be stigmergic signals, that still exist if you scroll down on http://nrp.sensorica.co/

We even presented them as stigmergic signals once in some venue that I don't remember anymore. I think "we" was you and I, but I can't remember that for sure, either.

Do those get used much? What else, or what different, do you have in mind on that topic?

[Bob Haugen]

Another angle that Sensoricans and other prospective new-NRP adopters should be thinking about:

the new stuff will be a different architecture, not just a new UI.

The current NRP is a monolith: everybody uses the same code base, same server, and same database.

The new systems will not be like that.

Two main paths are in motion as of now:

• Holo-REA, built on Holochain, is what they call an "agent-centric" architecture: https://forum.holochain.org/t/what-does-agent-centric-mean-how-is-it-different-than-data-centric/190
  • That means each individual agent will have their own node in a distributed network.  Group agents like Sensorica and Praxeco will also exist but it's not clear yet how they will be implemented in Holochain. 
  • A network will be implemented as a shared "distributed hash table": a shared, distributed database https://developer.holochain.org/concepts/4_dht/
• https://bonfirenetworks.org/ which implements the ActivityPub protocol and thus is part of the https://fediverse.party/
  
  • The fediverse is quite as radically distributed as Holochain. Some agents will live in their own individual node, but some agents will live on shared servers in something more like the current Sensorica NRP site.
  • But in the fediverse, it would be normal for Praxeco and the Greens for Good project each to live in their own node, on their own server, but federated with each other: able to follow each other, send messages, and participate in shared processes.

So the UI setup for Praxeco and Greens for Good might be different, and the possible methods for Praxeco to commits to and log contributions to a Greens for Good process will be different. There will be some surprises.

[Bob Haugen]

> The fediverse is quite as radically distributed as Holochain

That should have been, The fediverse is *not* quite as radically distributed as Holochain

[Tiberius Brastaviceanu]

Salut Olivier,

Oui, certainement.

J'aimerais que cette discussion vidéo soit enregistrée et que nous puissions aussi la modifier et la diffuser. Beaucoup de monde travaille sur ce genre de choses et il serait bien de mieux distribuer cette information. Autrement je considère la rencontre comme un service de consultation.

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Hello Tiberius 

Je suis Olivier, le dirigeant de OpenFlow. Nous avons déjà parlé ensemble il y a quelques mois. J’ai expérimenté des projets développés en commun au sein de OpenFlow, avec un modèle de rétribution. J’aimerais te parler en vidéo si c’est possible pour échanger sur des questions que j’ai et voir comment vous gérez cela chez sensorica. Serais tu d’accord ?

Bonne journée

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[Tiberius Brastaviceanu]

Tiberius, we once created some front-page lists that were intended to be stigmergic signals, that still exist if you scroll down on http://nrp.sensorica.co/

Yes indeed, these are part of the stigmergic signaling.

 

We even presented them as stigmergic signals once in some venue that I don't remember anymore. I think "we" was you and I, but I can't remember that for sure, either.

Most probably.

Do those get used much?

I personally don't use them, which doesn't mean that they are not useful in general terms. The Mywork page also contains some.

 

In order for stigmergy to replace some of all the planning we need to do some more work and the design of such tools needs to be rooted in observations.

Stigmergy is the use of the environment to leave traces that signal what has been done and what others can do next. Let's focus on environment. Most of the collaborative work is done in a digital environment. That digital environment is made of different environments stitched together. It's like a building, with multiple rooms that have various functions (lobby, conference room, living room, dining room, kitchen, sleeping room, etc.). For stigmergy to work, these signals must be created where the action is. So when it comes to development work (R&D) the action is in Google docs. Action will self organize based on signals that are created in this specific environment. If we put signals in the NRP when people work on docs, they don't get seen, so they have no impact. People don't perform work in the NRP environment, but currently they go there to log. While logging, they can see some signals about other things that they could do or use. So at this point in time it would make more sense to place them in the process page (example), because this is what 99% of people see and probably the only thing they see, as almost no one wanders around the NRP environment.

Stigmergy must take place throughout the digital environment, in a coherent way, the signaling must match with the activity in a specific space.

Digging more on R&D, it happens in Google docs because that's an environment rich and flexible enough to contain this type of unscripted activity. I cannot see R&D happening on a structure of boxes, representing a planning done by someone. That would be over structured and very restrictive for the meandering nature of innovation. A Google doc is also mediarich, you can share text, photos, sketches and most importantly it is real time. It also has messaging integrated. It has recorded history (versioning). You can embed tables and graphs directly from Google Spreadsheets, actively linked to the source data. But one could use Miro too. Wiki could be used, but it puts non-technical people away, not very user friendly. 

Since these environments are rich and not too structured, some people can wander around. In doing so, they can trace new development paths that can be reinforced by other people who find their signaling and understand the value. That's not planning ahead, it's discovering and prioritizing as we go, it's stigmergy at work. A development path gets reinforced with activity not because someone said so in the beginning, but because some explorer discovered something new and other people understood the potential. That's also self-organization. But for that to happen, you need the flexibility so that some people wander around, you need an ability to make signals and stick them in the environment with some level of persistence, you need the ability to insert a new path into the main in order to draw more resources if it's worth anything, you need to be able to build / modify an activity map.

If planning is an activity map that one builds before the action starts, stigmergy-based development is a process that creates that activity map on the go.

It's never pure stignergy, as in reality it is never pure planning (plans always change in the process). So there's always a bit of planning in the beginning and there's always someone who picks us weak signals and projects into the future, and announces a new possible path before this path is reinforced organically by peers. That ability to predict can be an important advantage, as it can save a lot of resources for useless lateral exploration. That's not the same planner like we see in a traditional firm, who applies the same blueprint of development to any development project, based on some management theory, before the reality of the project has even expressed itself, i.r. before the project has become material. The planner in the stigmergic scenario is someone who amplifies weak signals, which means that he listens to the reality of the project and anticipates a move, almost like we drive a bike, we anticipate a fall and make some movements to maintain the equilibrium and stay on course. This planner has no blueprint to follow. He has a model of the dynamics of these types of situations though. The whole idea is to build tools for this guy and his peers.

 

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[Raphael Megzari]

Just a friendly reminder that the meeting in 5 minutes is on this link

https://meet.jit.si/a_better_nrp

See you soon

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[Raphael Megzari]

oops, I actually made a mistake in the link

it's the following

https://meet.jit.si/software_for_economic_cooperation

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[Raphael Megzari]

Hi,

   I think there was a little misunderstanding about our meeting time. Just checking the meeting time, it says that it is now 4 PM in Italy, I guess Sowelu, you came 2 hours ago and we came 1 hour later.

    Would there be a chance to reshedule this meeting, this Friday at 3 PM italian time? I can send a calendar invite so we are sure we have the same time this time.

Raphael

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[sowelu avanzo]

Hello Raphael, don't worry at all. We accessed the meeting at 2p.m. Italian time, but nobody was there, so we imagined that there was some issue or delay. We could definitely  reschedule the meeting by 3pm italian on friday.

Let us know if that works for you.

Best wishes,

Sowelu

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[Tiberius Brastaviceanu]

Hi all,

With a calendar invite we should all be OK. 

Raphael, this is the service for programmed infrastructure on demand https://www.rosettahub.com

Please take a look and let me know what you think.

We can discuss distribution... I think RosettaHub is a pretty interesting service that lowers the barriers for testing and adoption.

Yes, this requires us to think about configuration, which requires process skills. But that's the beauty of RosettaBub, it allows process-oriented people to add value (make configuration files) on top of your work (programming the environment).

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[Raphael Megzari]

Hi Sowelu,

    Perfect, let's schedule for friday 3 pm Italian time. I will send a calendar invite, is the sowe...@gmail.com email address ok for me to send the calendar invite? Or would you like me to send it to another address? (the calendar invite is just to make sure we have all the same time, so not mandatory).

Raphael

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[Raphael Megzari]

Hi Tiberius,

    Thank you for bringing two ideas

- simple one click shareable setup

- export of data and kill the instance for events for example.

    Thank you also for bringing up rosetta hub. It looks nice. It is a little early to decide exactly which platform we are going to use for deployment. I would say it looks good on the surface, let's bring it up again when we are at the deployment phase.

    Let me know of course if I misunderstood anything.

Raphael

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[sowelu avanzo]

Dear Raphael,

thank you for sending the invite. sowe...@gmail.com works perfectly.

Best wishes,

Sowelu

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[Tiberius Brastaviceanu]

Hi Raphael, 

Yes, when you want to consider deployment I can organize a call with you Karim. 

Tim works with him very closely. 

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[Raphael Megzari]

Hi Sowelu,

   I've sent the invitation to your email address. There was a request to do it 30 min later. If that does not work for you, just let me know and I can put it back at the original time.

   Thank you again for taking the time to do this!

Raphael

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[sowelu avanzo]

Hi Raphael,

that time works perfectly for me.

Thank you for organizing it.

Sowelu

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[Raphael Megzari]

Hi Sowelu,

   Thank you for your time today!

   Here is a link to the recording of the meeting if you need to share it with anybody

https://www.dropbox.com/s/a4l402kcvok8two/software_for_economic_cooperation%20on%202021-06-25%2014-23.mp4?dl=0

   (I'll leave it up for a week at least)

   Feel free to update us with a link to your white paper when you have a moment.

Raphael

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[Sowelu Elios Avanzo]

Dear Raphael,

thank you, Bob and Lynn  for the interesting conversation on Friday.

I am looking forward to hearing from you regarding your project updates.

Please, find below the link to the Github page where you can download the white paper I mentioned to you.

https://github.com/WiseLifeLab/3S-----SOCIAL-SHIELD-SHAPER/blob/master/3S%20-%20Social%20Shield%20Shaper.docx

Best wishes,

Sowelu

[Raphael Megzari]

Thank you for sharing the paper!

I think we are aligned in terms of what we want to do. The project you did tried to start change on the financial side of things. My understanding is that currently we are trying to make a framework to help people organize, visualize, and distribute value of work to enable new behaviors. I'm sure we will find synergies.

We are working on trying making a prototype, I will post updates as they come.

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[Raphael Megzari]

Tiberius, Olivier,

   Je ne lis votre email que tres tard malheureusement. Si vous n'avez pas encore eu votre conversation, je serais interesse par y assister aussi (si c'est possible bien sur).

   Si vous avez deja eu votre conversation, je suis interesse par la video :-)

   Je suis un des developpeur en train de travailler sur la conception d'une nouvelle interface.

Amicalement,

Raphael

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[Tiberius Brastaviceanu]

Pas eu de rencontre avec Olivier encore. J'ai demandé que la discussion soit enregistrée pour partager les idées plus large, je ne sais pas encore si cela convient à Olivier.

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[Raphael Megzari]

Ca marche, merci de l'update!

Je suis disponible quand vous le serez (si ca vous convient bien sur)

Raphael

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[Lynn Foster]

Yes, thanks for sharing the white paper, Sowelu.  To add a little bit of detail to what Raphael said, what you want to do is all supported by Valueflows, including data as a resource, either individual or held in common.  But in Raphael's current work, the focus is on groups who are producing or creating resources together, and distributing income based on contributions, like Sensorica. 

We do know groups who are focused on various means of exchange and pooling financial resources, but none who are thinking about the membership card idea or the health data as resource idea.  New ideas are essential, but it doesn't help you to find people already creating software you can use.  On the other hand, if you can develop a user interface tailored to your use cases, or fund that development, fairly soon (I hope!) there should be "backend" applications stable enough to support what you want to do.  I would be happy to help you with understanding how to access them using the Valueflows based api's, if you want to go that route.

On the security side, the backend applications I spoke of are not blockchain based currently, and would need additional privacy/security added to them.  This might be happening already, but I'm not sure.

As Raphael said, definitely let's keep in touch....

[Lynn Foster]

Sowelu, I should have added that there might be some synergies that would be interesting around the Sensorica benefit redistribution and your distribution of income derived from the health data.