TSE: Application: Are Cut/Copy/Paste/SelectAll/Undo out of the box assigned to <Ctrl x>/<Ctrl c>/<Ctrl v>/<Ctrl a>/<Ctrl z>?

[knud van eeden]

Hello,

FYI:

 Q. TSE: Application: Are Cut/Copy/Paste/SelectAll/Undo out of the box assigned to <Ctrl x>/<Ctrl c>/<Ctrl v>/<Ctrl a>/<Ctrl z>?

Tested in out of the box versions, unchanged by the user:

All yes:

1. -Microsoft Notepad (Microsoft Windows 11)? Yes, all those Ctrl XCVAZ keys are out of the box assigned to those keys

2. -Notepad++ (version 8.7.2)? Yes, all those Ctrl XCVAZ keys are out of the box assigned to those keys

3. -Microsoft Visual Code (version 1.96.2)? Yes, all those Ctrl XCVAZ keys are out of the box assigned to those keys

4. -SlickEdit (version 15.0.1.3)? Yes, all those Ctrl XCVAZ keys are out of the box assigned to those keys

5. -Microsoft Visual Studio (version 2022)? Yes, all those Ctrl XCVAZ keys are out of the box assigned to those keys

6. -UltraEdit Studio (version 12): Yes, all those Ctrl XCVAZ keys are out of the box assigned to those keys

7. -VEdit (version 6.25.2): Yes, all those Ctrl XCVAZ keys are out of the box assigned to those keys

8. -Sublime (version build 4200): Yes, all those Ctrl XCVAZ keys are out of the box assigned to those keys

9. -PSPad (version 4.5.6): Yes, all those Ctrl XCVAZ keys are out of the box assigned to those keys

10. -Netbeans (version IDE 12.6): Yes, all those Ctrl XCVAZ keys are out of the box assigned to those keys

11. -Komodo (version IDE 9.3): Yes, all those Ctrl XCVAZ keys are out of the box assigned to those keys

12. -JEdit (version 5.5): Yes, all those Ctrl XCVAZ keys are out of the box assigned to those keys

13. -IntelliJ (version 13.1): Yes, all those Ctrl XCVAZ keys are out of the box assigned to those keys

14. -Atom (version 1.58.0 x64): Yes, all those Ctrl XCVAZ keys are out of the box assigned to those keys

15. -EmEditor (version 10.0.4): Yes, all those Ctrl XCVAZ keys are out of the box assigned to those keys

and so on, so basically all applications follow that convention.

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No:

1. -Emacs (version 29.4)? No, In Emacs, keybindings differ significantly from modern standard applications (like Microsoft Windows or Apple macOS).

2. -Vim? No, In Vim, keybindings differ significantly from modern standard applications (like Microsoft Windows or Apple macOS).

with friendly greetings

Knud van Eeden

[H P]

Knud maybe you should use win.ui or should Sammy also change wp.ui, ws.ui, tsejr.ui and brief.ui also.

Met vriendelijke groet,
With kind regards,

Muy atentamente,
Mit Freundliche Gruß,

Sinceramente,


H. Pikaar
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[knud van eeden]

The feature request is only regarding standardizing 'tse.ui' out of the box to the international standard of Ctrl XCVAZ

for Cut/Copy/Paste/SelectAll/Undo.

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About TSE new version testers which applies here also very much: 

Testers: For each TSE newest version testing, e.g. 4.50.21 coming, only completely unchanged and out of the box versions are used for that TSE testing, so running extra things like cuamark.s is not and should also not be part of the testing plan, it should be as pristine as possible, not deviate from it. A fresh out of the box installation using tse.exe and that is it.

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win.ui: I checked and tested 'win.ui', never used before, always 'tse.ui'. And win.ui has assumed a lot of very different key settings I saw immediatly like 'Ctrl PgDn/PgUp' and 'Ctrl Home/End' are for some reason reversed in what they do (=window versus file) as just an example.

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cuamark.s: I checked and tested as an extra step the TSE cuamark.s macro which could have been another option, but that TSE macro is purged by design after exiting your TSE and then having to initialize it again pressing e.g. 'Yes' to 4 or 5 questions at next startup. One is then forced to add cuamark.s to autoload, which is also never used and or not everybody uses that.

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'Select all': For example tse.ui does not have a key assigned to MarkAll() at all in 'tse.ui', also not in the menu of g32.exe not sure thus why, it is such a common action, that 'select all'.

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'tse.ui': I assume tse.ui is used by most users, and maybe win.ui (I know about 1 person actively using it), so that is the most

relevant.

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other .ui:

Regarding 

WordPerfect wp.ui, 

WordStar ws.ui, 

TSE Junior tsejr.ui 

Brief brief.ui

It might be, not sure, that some, maybe one or two users are still using those keystrokes as defined in those other .ui.

All these text editors (WordPerfect, WordStar, TSE Jr, Borland Brief) do not really exist anymore, are End-Of-Life, are gone completely and or are not used anymore (or extremely infrequently), maybe by a couple persons (on earth)) so I leave it to others to decide to add these <Ctrl XCVAZ> keys there too,

not relevant at all (in general) thus for this feature request. Maybe the keys could be added there if they do not interfere with the 

finger-built-in keys where its users, if any, are very used to.

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And as stated it is further all about standardization, which user does not know and use these <Ctrl XCVAZ> keys in basically every application, so TSE should also be able to make it available out of the box as every user is using that 10s, 100s if not some times 1000s times or more every day.

It would be very handy and as Larry Tesler said using his invented word 'user-friendly' to have the <Ctrl XCVAZ> keys always without extra efforts or special choices by the user available.

with friendly greetings

Knud van Eeden

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[S.E. Mitchell]

>win.ui: I checked and tested 'win.ui', never used before, always
>'tse.ui'. And win.ui has assumed a lot of very different key
>settings I saw immediatly like 'Ctrl PgDn/PgUp' and 'Ctrl
>Home/End' are for some reason reversed in what they do (=window
>versus file) as just an example.

If you check all the Windows editors you mentioned, I think you'll find
that the behavior of ctrl home/end from the win.ui is _standard_
Windows editor behavior.

ctrl pgdn/pgup does not have a standard assignment as far as I
can find.

>All these text editors (WordPerfect, WordStar, TSE Jr, Borland
>Brief) do not really exist anymore, are End-Of-Life, are gone
>completely and or are not used anymore (or extremely
>infrequently), maybe by a couple persons (on earth)) so I leave

You could probably say the same thing about TSE. I wonder what
the actual user count is. 50 maybe?

Here is a list of common key assignments found in many Windows
editors - ones starting with * are not yet in win.ui:

Ctrl + N - New file
Ctrl + O - Open file
Ctrl + S - Save
*Ctrl + Shift + S - Save As
*Ctrl + P - Print
Alt + F4 - Exit application
*Ctrl + W - Close current file/tab

Ctrl + Z - Undo
Ctrl + Y - Redo
Ctrl + X - Cut
Ctrl + C - Copy
Ctrl + V - Paste
Ctrl + A - Select all
Del - Delete selection / next character
Backspace - Delete previous character

Arrow keys - Move cursor
Ctrl + Left / Right - Move by word
Home - Start of line
End - End of line
Ctrl + Home - Start of document
Ctrl + End - End of document
Page Up / Page Down - Scroll by page

Shift + Arrow keys - Select character-by-character
Ctrl + Shift + Left / Right - Select by word
Shift + Home / End - Select to start/end of line
Ctrl + Shift + Home / End - Select to start/end of document

Ctrl + F - Find
Ctrl + H - Find and replace
F3 - Find next
*Shift + F3 - Find previous

*Ctrl + Tab - Next tab
*Ctrl + Shift + Tab - Previous tab
Ctrl + F4 - Close current tab
*Ctrl + Shift + T - Reopen closed tab (many modern editors)

*Ctrl + L - Select line
*Ctrl + D - Duplicate line / selection
*Ctrl + Shift + K - Delete line
*Alt + Up / Down - Move line up/down

Alt - Activate menu bar
Alt + Letter - Menu navigation (e.g., Alt + F File)
F1 - Help
*F5 - Refresh / reload file (varies by editor)

[knud van eeden]

Hello,

Reversed, see screenshots,

with friendly greetings

Knud van Eeden

 

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[S.E. Mitchell]

If you check all the Windows editors you mentioned, I think you'll find

that the behavior of ctrl home/end from the win.ui is _standard_

Windows editor behavior.

In Windows-land, <ctrl home> is BegFile and <ctrl end> is EndFile.

And that is what the assignments are in win.ui.

So I am not sure why you are telling me it is reversed - again.

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[knud van eeden]

Hello,

It might be possible that a lot of different key assignments are defined in that win.ui

(win.ui is thus and has never been used by me).

But how often are those key assignments there in that win.ui used thus? Answer here: 'never' thus (if not also present in the tse.ui file, those were used).

But really the feature request is thus about making available the very frequently if not the  most frequently used very common keys having standard available (via tse.ui). Every user knows about those Ctrl XCVAZ keys and probably uses one or more of these keys every day everywhere, but TSE currently by big exception compared with basically every other available text editor on Microsoft Windows (about 15 tested explicitly by me today, they have it available out of the box) does not make that available until now.

with friendly greetings

Knud van Eeden

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[knud van eeden]

In TSE tse.ui the <Ctrl PgDn> is thus end file

and <Ctrl PgUp> thus begin file, 

and 

win.ui has never been used.

thus so what is defined there has further never earlier been used in this regard.

win.ui: That is 

<Ctrl PgDn> goes to the end of the window (thus the current screen)

<Ctrl PgUp> goes to the begin of the window

<Ctrl Home> goes to the begin of the file

<Ctrl End> goes to the end of the file.

tse.ui: That is 

<Ctrl PgDn> goes to the end of the file

<Ctrl PgUp> goes to the begin of the file

<Ctrl Home> goes to the begin of the window

<Ctrl End> goes to the end of the window

So from the point here it has been reversed, it is not exactly the same thus in other words.

with friendly greetings

Knud van Eeden

with friendly greetings

Knud van Eeden

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[knud van eeden]

>All these text editors (WordPerfect, WordStar, TSE Jr, Borland

>Brief) do not really exist anymore, are End-Of-Life, are gone

>completely and or are not used anymore (or extremely

>infrequently), maybe by a couple persons (on earth)) so I leave

Those are non-existing, not used text editors anymore. 

Gone with the wind ...................   ;-)

Disappeared in the abyss of time......

> You could probably say the same thing about TSE.  I wonder what

the actual user count is.  50 maybe?

On the contrary TSE is a very frequently used very much alive fantastic general purpose text editor

assumed very happily used by its users, some close to 24 x 7 ;-) so that  

is a fully different category.

The total quantity of users does not play a role,

it is the quality that only counts.

Gourmets for gourmets ;-)

with friendly greetings

Knud van Eeden

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[William W. Viergever]

50???

Is it really that few?

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[S.E. Mitchell]

Just a guess. I don't know how I would even determine a number.
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[Knud van Eeden]

I am looking into it here at this moment...

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[knud van eeden]

Counting e.g. the unique user names on e.g. GoogleGroups of about 100 in the years back,

my educated guess based on that is:

 between 100 

 and 

 20 . 100 

 = 2000 TSE for Microsoft Windows users,

where the assumption is that about 5 percent of the TSE for Microsoft Windows users uses e.g. GoogleGroups.

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[Ross Barnes]

Perhaps there should be an additional question in the install procedure:

Do you want the TSE key assignments you expect or the key assignments popular with other Windows editors?

I think the constant desire to push towards creating an "everything but the kitchen sink" text editor has limited appeal. There are many types of power users, not always driven by features, by maximum this or that, but rather by hours of use on task and how well they are able to perform their requisite tasks.

I am thinking Sammy never hears from many users of QEdit and TSE because the editor software they bought years ago continues to do what they want it to do, edit text.

If a user does upgrade there is an expectation of sameness with new features that don't disrupt the previous editor version experience.

Text editors that are no longer sold are still in use by many and they are legion: https://texteditors.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl

[knud van eeden]

The solution for you is clearly not to upgrade and progress and stay on the version where you are on now because that conserves exactly what you want and keep on text editing as you did before and keep on naysaying.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra / 1 terabyte / artificial intelligence

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[Ross Barnes]

On PC DOS: TSE Pro 2.50E, QEdit, TSE Jr. with various sets of key assignments: TSE Jr, TSE PRO,  IBM E3, Emacs.

On Win95: TSE Pro 2.50E, TSE 4.40a (eventually later beta versions failed to run w/failed system calls).

On Win2000, TSE Pro 2.50E,  TSE for WIndows Console 4.50.20 (Sammy's latest?)

On Linux: TSE for Linux 4.50.20 (Sammy's latest?) and  TSE Pro 2.50E in a DOSBox. 

All identically configured (mileage varies)  and all the above  thanks to Sammy and TSE's configurability and assignable key assignments which  I put into place AFTER I install the product.

You, Knud van Eeden, are a vocal cheerleader for TSE, and many positive changes and bug fixes have made their way into TSE because of you, but there are many other voices, perhaps overwhelmed by the profundity (real or AI) . 

Personally,  I welcome your postings, but I don't always agree with them.

Cheers

[J. David Boyd]

>>You could probably say the same thing about TSE.  I wonder what
>>the actual user count is.  50 maybe?

Could it be that small of a user group?  I expected to read 2000 or so, not 50.   Do you have stats on how many people downloaded (and purchased) TSE over the years?
Has to be way more than 50!

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[S.E. Mitchell]

>>> Do you have stats on how many people downloaded (and purchased) TSE over the years?

I don't have download stats.
I have purchase stats.
About 30,000 orders, many of which were multi-copy, with a total of
around 200,000 licensed users.
This all occurred before 2003. From then on it was only a few dozen
orders a year at most.

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[Tom Collins]

TSE is my day-to-day tool and has been since the QEdit days.  I can't speak for anyone else, but for me it's the most impactful piece of software in the whole world!

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[J. David Boyd]

Interesting.  Speaking for myself, I can't imagine ever giving up TSE as an editor.   I'd be amazed if there weren't at least 10K users or more out there still.  And none of them probably know it's still being kept current

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[Guy Rouillier]

Qedit and TSE have been my most used software since I stumbled upon Qedit about 1986, so about 40 years.  From about 1990 until I retired in 2015, my profession was software development.  At work, while i always kept my Semware editors handy, I spent most of my day in a full-fledged iDE, mainly Eclipse.  In a corporate world, software exists in a complete environment, like Java with all the underlying layers (database management, transactions, remote protocols, etc.)  Eclipse figured all that out, so I could focus on just the application layer.

But since I retired, I'm back in TSE full time.  It is a fast, very adaptable tool. I've tried many other dedicated programming editors, and none of them can match the speed or adaptability of TSE.

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[Miguel B. Farah]

Guy Rouillier [31/03/2026 04:21] dijo/said:

>
>Qedit and TSE have been my most used software since I stumbled upon Qedit
>about 1986, so about 40 years.  From about 1990 until I retired in 2015, my
>profession was software development.  At work, while i always kept my Semware
>editors handy, I spent most of my day in a full-fledged iDE, mainly Eclipse.
> In a corporate world, software exists in a complete environment, like Java
>with all the underlying layers (database management, transactions, remote
>protocols, etc.)  Eclipse figured all that out, so I could focus on just the
>application layer.
>
>But since I retired, I'm back in TSE full time.  It is a fast, very adaptable
>tool. I've tried many other dedicated programming editors, and none of them
>can match the speed or adaptability of TSE.

A rather similar story here! Started using Qedit in 1993, saved up
enough money for a student license in 1994, just as the transition to
TSEPro happened. I've been using TSEPro daily since then; for Java
source code at work, most of the stuff is written in Eclipse... but
TSEPro is the editor of choice for most everything ese. I also use
Notepad++ (on my PC), vim (on my Unix/Linux terminals) and BabelPad for
the specially intricate Unicode/UTF-8 shenanigans), but... no editor
ever has come close to allowing to comfortably perform some of the
nastiest text transformations I often need to do, to the point the best
thing to do is to copy the original text to TSEPro, do the deed with a
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[J. David Boyd]

>>the best thing to do is to copy the original text to TSEPro, do the deed with a
>>keyboard macro or two, and then paste the result back.

I do this constantly.  Whether in Visual Studio Code, Visual Studio, SSMS, or pretty much anything.  Cut it out of the original source, modify it/make it correct in TSE, then paste it back in and compile/run it.   Couldn't work without TSE to make things right!

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