Code of Conduct for Repos/IRC

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David Burns

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Apr 24, 2017, 8:06:10 AM4/24/17
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Hi All,

Today I had the unfortunate privilege of banning a Selenium User from Mozilla repos and suggesting my team block them on social media for continued harassment of my team.

Since we have  CoC for our conference I want to extend that to our repos/IRC. Unforunately I fear this person is going to come to Selenium and take out their frustration here. So, if we have to ban them here too, we should have something that says why we are banning them.

We could easily just copy the Rust one, which is really good, and apply it here.

Thoughts?

David

Lucas Tierney

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Apr 24, 2017, 8:36:45 AM4/24/17
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+1

Simon Stewart

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Apr 26, 2017, 5:00:57 AM4/26/17
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Hi,

I proud that we've not yet had a reason to have missed having one yet. As a project, I think we're pretty good at asking folks who are offending others to desist, but it's good to be clearer about what we do when there's unacceptable behaviour.

Can you please link to the Rust one? And do others think that there are other good examples for us to base ours from?

Simon

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David Burns

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I thought that I had added it, sorry for not doing it.

Link is https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html

Its lightweight and is used as a inside Mozilla for our diversity initiatives as the CoC.

David


On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Simon Stewart <simon.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

I proud that we've not yet had a reason to have missed having one yet. As a project, I think we're pretty good at asking folks who are offending others to desist, but it's good to be clearer about what we do when there's unacceptable behaviour.

Can you please link to the Rust one? And do others think that there are other good examples for us to base ours from?

Simon
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:05 PM, David Burns <david.burns@theautomatedtester.co.uk> wrote:
Hi All,

Today I had the unfortunate privilege of banning a Selenium User from Mozilla repos and suggesting my team block them on social media for continued harassment of my team.

Since we have  CoC for our conference I want to extend that to our repos/IRC. Unforunately I fear this person is going to come to Selenium and take out their frustration here. So, if we have to ban them here too, we should have something that says why we are banning them.

We could easily just copy the Rust one, which is really good, and apply it here.

Thoughts?

David

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じょいすじょん

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Apr 27, 2017, 6:48:34 AM4/27/17
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It's too bad it took something negative to drive to this, but it's good.
Any new project these days should have this on the ground floor going in.
The Swift language project was quick to adopt a CoC, and honestly, it's not different than a license in terms of importance.
Good choice.


On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 7:14:41 PM UTC+9, David Burns wrote:
I thought that I had added it, sorry for not doing it.

Link is https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html

Its lightweight and is used as a inside Mozilla for our diversity initiatives as the CoC.

David
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Simon Stewart <simon.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

I proud that we've not yet had a reason to have missed having one yet. As a project, I think we're pretty good at asking folks who are offending others to desist, but it's good to be clearer about what we do when there's unacceptable behaviour.

Can you please link to the Rust one? And do others think that there are other good examples for us to base ours from?

Simon
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:05 PM, David Burns <david...@theautomatedtester.co.uk> wrote:
Hi All,

Today I had the unfortunate privilege of banning a Selenium User from Mozilla repos and suggesting my team block them on social media for continued harassment of my team.

Since we have  CoC for our conference I want to extend that to our repos/IRC. Unforunately I fear this person is going to come to Selenium and take out their frustration here. So, if we have to ban them here too, we should have something that says why we are banning them.

We could easily just copy the Rust one, which is really good, and apply it here.

Thoughts?

David

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Simon Stewart

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I'm away from everything for a few days. Will have a look after the weekend. Thanks for the link!

Simon

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Simon Stewart

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May 3, 2017, 5:29:00 AM5/3/17
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Alright. I've had a scan of some of the choices out there on which we could model our own CoC:


Things I feel are important:

* Short and clear
* Covers both email and IRC/Slack-style communication
* Indicates the intention behind the CoC
* Describes a pathway for enforcing the CoC (with the clear statement that this isn't the only way to enforce it)

The Django one appeals most to me, but I like the section in the Rust CoC about moderation.

Thoughts?

Simon


On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 8:41 PM, Simon Stewart <simon.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm away from everything for a few days. Will have a look after the weekend. Thanks for the link!

Simon

Sent from my iPhone

On 26 Apr 2017, at 11:14, David Burns <david.burns@theautomatedtester.co.uk> wrote:

I thought that I had added it, sorry for not doing it.

Link is https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html

Its lightweight and is used as a inside Mozilla for our diversity initiatives as the CoC.

David
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Simon Stewart <simon.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

I proud that we've not yet had a reason to have missed having one yet. As a project, I think we're pretty good at asking folks who are offending others to desist, but it's good to be clearer about what we do when there's unacceptable behaviour.

Can you please link to the Rust one? And do others think that there are other good examples for us to base ours from?

Simon

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:05 PM, David Burns <david.burns@theautomatedtester.co.uk> wrote:
Hi All,

Today I had the unfortunate privilege of banning a Selenium User from Mozilla repos and suggesting my team block them on social media for continued harassment of my team.

Since we have  CoC for our conference I want to extend that to our repos/IRC. Unforunately I fear this person is going to come to Selenium and take out their frustration here. So, if we have to ban them here too, we should have something that says why we are banning them.

We could easily just copy the Rust one, which is really good, and apply it here.

Thoughts?

David

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David Burns

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This sounds fine by me. The Django one is also really good!

David


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Ashley Hunsberger

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Oct 26, 2017, 7:33:21 PM10/26/17
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Hello there, 

A bit late to this party. Given recent events in the testing community (and beyond), I'd _really_ like to get a CoC to the project published (not just the conference). Anything I can do to help make it happen? It looks like you have some great working samples and goals, so next steps seem to be:

1. Draft our own CoC 
2. Establish communication mechanisms if one needs to report violations of the CoC - to be included in the draft
3. Review (involve SFC for legal advice/blessing?)
4. Publish (where specifically?)

-Ashley

On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 6:42:12 AM UTC-4, David Burns wrote:
This sounds fine by me. The Django one is also really good!

David
On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:28 AM, Simon Stewart <simon.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
Alright. I've had a scan of some of the choices out there on which we could model our own CoC:


Things I feel are important:

* Short and clear
* Covers both email and IRC/Slack-style communication
* Indicates the intention behind the CoC
* Describes a pathway for enforcing the CoC (with the clear statement that this isn't the only way to enforce it)

The Django one appeals most to me, but I like the section in the Rust CoC about moderation.

Thoughts?

Simon

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 8:41 PM, Simon Stewart <simon.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm away from everything for a few days. Will have a look after the weekend. Thanks for the link!

Simon

Sent from my iPhone

On 26 Apr 2017, at 11:14, David Burns <david...@theautomatedtester.co.uk> wrote:

I thought that I had added it, sorry for not doing it.

Link is https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html

Its lightweight and is used as a inside Mozilla for our diversity initiatives as the CoC.

David

David Burns
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Simon Stewart <simon.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

I proud that we've not yet had a reason to have missed having one yet. As a project, I think we're pretty good at asking folks who are offending others to desist, but it's good to be clearer about what we do when there's unacceptable behaviour.

Can you please link to the Rust one? And do others think that there are other good examples for us to base ours from?

Simon
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:05 PM, David Burns <david...@theautomatedtester.co.uk> wrote:
Hi All,

Today I had the unfortunate privilege of banning a Selenium User from Mozilla repos and suggesting my team block them on social media for continued harassment of my team.

Since we have  CoC for our conference I want to extend that to our repos/IRC. Unforunately I fear this person is going to come to Selenium and take out their frustration here. So, if we have to ban them here too, we should have something that says why we are banning them.

We could easily just copy the Rust one, which is really good, and apply it here.

Thoughts?

David

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Simon Stewart

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Those are the steps :) My preference would be a mashup of the Django (clear, easy to understand) and Rails (with it's route to enforcement, and detailing of responsibilities). The SFC can also help us make sure any Code of Conduct is appropriate.

Simon

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David Burns

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one of the steps missing is a commitee to enforce said CoC and mechanism to contact them but this might all fall under 1)

David


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Ashley Hunsberger

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Agreed, David. I intended to cover as part of 2 (establish communication and means of reporting violations), but will specifically call that out in my to do list (this/next week - sorry for the delay!). 


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one of the steps missing is a commitee to enforce said CoC and mechanism to contact them but this might all fall under 1)

David
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Ashley Hunsberger

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Hi there,

I took the Django Code of Conduct and tweaked it for Selenium - it's long but my goal is for it to not feel 'forced'. Overall I liked Django's with the friendly, but detailed, language and examples. That said, if you hate it, there will be zero offense taken. There's still a lot to decide (actual process - i used Django's but is that what we want for Selenium?; how to contact people - I tried to call that out where I could remember to; and a committee people should feel comfortable contacting - or alternatives in the event someone on the committee is the 'offender'). 

David Burns

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looks good to me


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Hi,

I've made a few suggestions and comments, but it looks like a really solid place to start from. Thank you for putting it together!

Simon

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looks good to me

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