H89-USB-Serial order list.

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Norberto Collado

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I was checking the files and I see that I did modify such card to V1.2 and website calls for V1.1. As the schematics are not linked to the PCB board as I did it manually, I hope that there are no layout mistakes. It will take time to review for layout mistakes.

I will order 10-pcs once the layout is verified. 

Thanks,
Norberto

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Darrell Pelan

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Please add me to the list for a board.

Thanks!

  Darrell

s shumaker

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Please add me as well

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Great!  Thank you Norberto.

Steven Feinsmith

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One for me, thanks
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Russ Price

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Norberto, please add me to the list too. 

Thank you
Russ


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I have been working on this board schematics as they were not linked to the board layout and did not want to make a layout mistake by adding some improvements. I just finalized it and will order boards after X-mas is over.

Happy Holidays!

Norberto

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Thank you Norberto.  Seasons Greetings to all, and may you be fortunate enough to arise to a snow-covered landscape on Christmas Day :-}.

 

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I have been working on this board schematics as they were not linked to the board layout and did not want to make a layout mistake by adding some improvements. I just finalized it and will order boards after X-mas is over.

 

Happy Holidays!

 

Norberto

 

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Norberto Collado

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Thanks and snow is welcome!

 

😊

 


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So the space for the Sparkfun FT245 breakout board could be eliminated if you like. The board was retired some time ago

https://www.sparkfun.com/products/retired/7841

 

may not be worth the effort though. Your call.

 

Longer version:

 

At the time these boards (this one and the companion H8 board) were designed the group was experimenting with two approaches to USB connectivity. The 24-pin socket to the right holds an FTDI VDIP1 which can do USB host protocol, allowing for flash drives, printers and other devices to connect. In this mode the H8/H89 is the USB “host” with the heavy lifting of the USB protocols all built into the processor on the VDIP1.  I wrote some simple utilities to copy files to/from the flash drive (I’m currently baselining/documenting that code – more soon on that!. Earlier versions of my code are on Norberto’s site http://koyado.com/Heathkit/H-8_USB.html)

 

The FT245 breakout board sported an FT245RL chip which implements the “slave” side of the USB protocol.  In this mode the H8/H89 must be plugged into a host computer.  The host sees the H8/89 essentially the same way it would a disk drive or flash drive. All of the file transfer functionality is implemented in software on the PC side. Dan Emrick and Chris Elmquist did some innovative work with this: http://danemricksite.net/HeathkitProjects.php#USB/H8D

 

The Sparkfun breakout board is no longer available but the VDIP1 is still available (Mouser, Digikey…). FTDI has also come out with a newer version of the VDIP based on their VNC2 chip series, but we’ve seen little compelling reason to change our designs.

 

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Douglas Miller

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I thought the FT245R presents a "tty device" to the host PC. It is strictly serial communications, as far as I can tell. What you do with that serial communications is another matter, but the PC sees a COM/TTY device, not storage.

Steven Feinsmith

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That is great news for the H88/H89/Z90 to keep going. Can you add my name to order one piece of board?

Seasons Greetings to all and be SAFE!

Steven

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Terry Gulczynski

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Thx Norberto!


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Norberto Collado

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You can still buy such board in Florida from:

 

https://www.kr4.us/breakout-board-for-ft245rl-usb-to-fifo.html

 

Norberto

Douglas Miller

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I was planning to add support for the FT245R as another serial port, so that we don't lose the "modem" port at 330Q when the VDIP1 is installed. But, it seems we don't consistently have an FT245R with every VDIP1 (i.e. new Z80 CPU boards only have VDIP1) so it didn't make as much sense to do that. I'm not suggesting any changes about that, but it was a use I considered, briefly. The FT245R looks nothing like an INS8250, but it is pretty simple and so could be put into drivers as a one-off. Given the INS8250 has a "scratch pad" register, one could possibly even auto-detect whether 330Q is an INS8250 or FT245R.

But if the part is obsolete, it may make even less sense. Of course, just because SparkFun no longer makes it doesn't mean FTDI no longer makes it.

Norberto Collado

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For the H8, should we add the FT245R on a tiny board? Or should I added it to the single H17 controller which is almost done? The single H17 controller has the VDIP1 already installed.

 

Thanks,

Norberto Collado

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I just found out that this part is out of stock. So, it is not available. I think it makes sense to add a tiny board with surface mount parts if we agree that is needed.

 

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Norberto Collado

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Digikey has 0 in stock. Let’s put this board to rest. I will take it out from the H89-Serial-USB board unless there is objection.

 

Norby

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Seems to be in-stock at https://www.canakit.com/breakout-board-for-ft245rl-usb-to-fifo-bob-07841.html

 

Alternatively, replace the current DIP-style footprint with the DIL end-connector style that’s readily available on eBay.

Example: https://www.ebay.com/itm/384504988953

 

Also available at, e.g.,: https://pmdway.com/products/ft245-usb-to-parallel-fifo-breakout-board

 

My vote goes to keeping the FT245RL but with the DIL end-connector footprint.  The pin-out is specified on the PCB:

 

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Example connector: https://www.taydaelectronics.com/2x10-pin-2-54mm-dounle-row-right-angle-female-pin-header.html

Sparkfun footprint = 1.5x0.92" = 38mm x 24mm

 

BOB footprint is 46mm x 30mm.  Extend length for the right-angle DIL socket.

 

So it’s not a slam-dunk to adopt the replacement board from the perspective of board layout.

 

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Alternatively, replace the current DIP-style footprint with the DIL end-connector style that’s readily available on eBay.

Example: https://www.ebay.com/itm/384504988953

 

Also available at, e.g.,: https://pmdway.com/products/ft245-usb-to-parallel-fifo-breakout-board

 

My vote goes to keeping the FT245RL but with the DIL end-connector footprint.  The pin-out is specified on the PCB:

 

 

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Norberto Collado

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I ordered one from pmdway as I need to measure board on the pcb along with the VDIP1.

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Dan Emrick

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Not sure if I really have a place in this discussion given that I do not have an H8.  Even so, I use the FT245 capability of the H89 USB-Serial board in my H89 and my H89-SBC.  Of course, I'm just a little prejudiced having worked with Chris and others on the HDOS driver early on.  The PC side is a custom program that makes H8D images available (currently up to 4) for mounting via the FT245 interface just as a spinning floppy would be.  I use Linux but experimented in the past with a version for  MS Windows.  It's written with the Qt IDE.

My two cents:  I support Paul's recommendation to keep the capability even if it requires a modification to handle the different B/O board configuration (which I did use in early H89 prototypes).

Before I forget, thank you, Norberto, for all that you've done and continue to do to preserve and enhance these beloved old boxes and our enjoyment of them.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all.
Dan

Steven Feinsmith

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I suggest you put it on the shelf for now. There are serious parts shortages not only for chips but many other components. The problem is due to pandemic incidents. A huge mistake in the USA is to allow companies to use overseas for cheap labor. Now, the US has to restore local electronic businesses which may take a few years.

Steven

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Norberto Collado

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Thanks Dan and Happy Holidays to all as well!

 

Norberto

 

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Not sure if I really have a place in this discussion given that I do not have an H8.  Even so, I use the FT245 capability of the H89 USB-Serial board in my H89 and my H89-SBC.  Of course, I'm just a little prejudiced having worked with Chris and others on the HDOS driver early on.  The PC side is a custom program that makes H8D images available (currently up to 4) for mounting via the FT245 interface just as a spinning floppy would be.  I use Linux but experimented in the past with a version for  MS Windows.  It's written with the Qt IDE.

 

My two cents:  I support Paul's recommendation to keep the capability even if it requires a modification to handle the different B/O board configuration (which I did use in early H89 prototypes).

 

Before I forget, thank you, Norberto, for all that you've done and continue to do to preserve and enhance these beloved old boxes and our enjoyment of them.

 

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all.

Dan

 

On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 2:45:42 AM UTC-5 Norby wrote:

I ordered one from pmdway as I need to measure board on the pcb along with the VDIP1.

 

Thanks,

Norberto

 

 

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Example connector: https://www.taydaelectronics.com/2x10-pin-2-54mm-dounle-row-right-angle-female-pin-header.html

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Sparkfun footprint = 1.5x0.92" = 38mm x 24mm

 

BOB footprint is 46mm x 30mm.  Extend length for the right-angle DIL socket.

 

So it’s not a slam-dunk to adopt the replacement board from the perspective of board layout.

 

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Seems to be in-stock at https://www.canakit.com/breakout-board-for-ft245rl-usb-to-fifo-bob-07841.html

 

Alternatively, replace the current DIP-style footprint with the DIL end-connector style that’s readily available on eBay.

Example: https://www.ebay.com/itm/384504988953

 

Also available at, e.g.,: https://pmdway.com/products/ft245-usb-to-parallel-fifo-breakout-board

 

My vote goes to keeping the FT245RL but with the DIL end-connector footprint.  The pin-out is specified on the PCB:

 

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Digikey has 0 in stock. Let’s put this board to rest. I will take it out from the H89-Serial-USB board unless there is objection.

 

Norby

 

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I just found out that this part is out of stock. So, it is not available. I think it makes sense to add a tiny board with surface mount parts if we agree that is needed.

 

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Norberto Collado

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Also, I’m going to move the logic around so that I can get more free real state by using the same layout as in the MMS Corvus board. See attached picture.

 

The USART’s on the right and the VDIP1 and RT245R on the left.

 

Thanks,

Norberto

 

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Almost done with the board updates. I cannot finalize until I get the FT245R breakout board to verify placement along with the VDIP1 and secondary USB port.


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Are the cable-tie holes misaligned?  Maybe add a couple more?

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Norberto Collado

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I will fixed that once I get the FT245R.

 

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Mike Mills

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Dec 29, 2021, 12:42:49 PM12/29/21
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Can i get added to the list for a USB serial card please...

Thanks

Mike

Mike Mills

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Dec 29, 2021, 12:42:49 PM12/29/21
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I think i replied a moment ago about getting on the order list can my name be added for a card please.

I replied to a post onteh 4 dec, whichis quite old, and just want to ensure that im on the list, sorry for the duplication.

Regards

Mike

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I will submit a list after the holidays! 🙂
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I did receive the FT245R breakout board. It took about 11 days to get. I will play with the parts placement to figure out cable and parts best location. I'm still waiting for the 2x 10 pin connector which I forgot to order last month. It should be here within the two weeks.  Once I get the 2x 10 pin female connector, I should be able to order some boards to check the layout and board operations. I do not expect any issues as it is based on previous board schematics.

I will work with Todd to fulfill the needs for those that requested such board once I get a fully operational board.

Norberto
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Hello Norberto,

  I am interested in purchasing this H89 Serial Board when it is placed into production. As a side note, I am really impressed with your work and dedication.

Thanks,

 

Pat OConnor

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I did receive the FT245R breakout board. It took about 11 days to get. I will play with the parts placement to figure out cable and parts best location. I'm still waiting for the 2x 10 pin connector which I forgot to order last month. It should be here within the two weeks.  Once I get the 2x 10 pin female connector, I should be able to order some boards to check the layout and board operations. I do not expect any issues as it is based on previous board schematics.

 

I will work with Todd to fulfill the needs for those that requested such board once I get a fully operational board.

 

Norberto

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Almost done with the board updates. I cannot finalize until I get the FT245R breakout board to verify placement along with the VDIP1 and secondary USB port.





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Also, I’m going to move the logic around so that I can get more free real state by using the same layout as in the MMS Corvus board. See attached picture.

 

The USART’s on the right and the VDIP1 and RT245R on the left.

So it’s not a slam-dunk to adopt the replacement board from the perspective of board layout.

 

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Seems to be in-stock at https://www.canakit.com/breakout-board-for-ft245rl-usb-to-fifo-bob-07841.html

 

Alternatively, replace the current DIP-style footprint with the DIL end-connector style that’s readily available on eBay.

Example: https://www.ebay.com/itm/384504988953

 

Also available at, e.g.,: https://pmdway.com/products/ft245-usb-to-parallel-fifo-breakout-board

 

My vote goes to keeping the FT245RL but with the DIL end-connector footprint.  The pin-out is specified on the PCB:

 

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Digikey has 0 in stock. Let’s put this board to rest. I will take it out from the H89-Serial-USB board unless there is objection.

At the time these boards (this one and the companion H8 board) were designed the group was experimenting with two approaches to USB connectivity. The 24-pin socket to the right holds an FTDI VDIP1 which can do USB host protocol, allowing for flash drives, printers and other devices to connect. In this mode the H8/H89 is the USB “host†with the heavy lifting of the USB protocols all built into the processor on the VDIP1.  I wrote some simple utilities to copy files to/from the flash drive (I’m currently baselining/documenting that code – more soon on that!. Earlier versions of my code are on Norberto’s site http://koyado.com/Heathkit/H-8_USB.html)

 

The FT245 breakout board sported an FT245RL chip which implements the “slave†side of the USB protocol.  In this mode the H8/H89 must be plugged into a host computer.  The host sees the H8/89 essentially the same way it would a disk drive or flash drive. All of the file transfer functionality is implemented in software on the PC side. Dan Emrick and Chris Elmquist did some innovative work with this: http://danemricksite.net/HeathkitProjects.php#USB/H8D

 

The Sparkfun breakout board is no longer available but the VDIP1 is still available (Mouser, Digikey…). FTDI has also come out with a newer version of the VDIP based on their VNC2 chip series, but we’ve seen little compelling reason to change our designs.

 

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Thanks Pat!

 

Did some measurements and for now it looks like this until I get the 2x10 pin female connector. Also I added the 3.68MHz osc to run the serial ports at a higher baud rate as an option.

 

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Norberto

Glenn Roberts

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Great to see discussion/interest in the h89. We’ve been talking a lot about h8 in recent months…


Still not sure if we’ve got any use cases lined up for the ft245 when we get it? We could dust off Dan Emrick’s file sharing software for Linux. Not sure where that lives or the state of it, or level of interest… Douglas was originally interested in using the 245 as a high speed serial port I believe. That would take some software work to accomplish.

I’m away from my systems (helping my son get set up in new apartment) but will be getting the software/documentation for the VDIP side done as soon as I can when I return…

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Douglas Miller

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I did a CP/NET client for the FT245R, although I'm not sure if anyone has tried it out on a real H8/H89.

Norberto and I also kicked around an idea for a "major" expansion to the H89, picture attached. We didn't get any further than this drawing (based on some clearance experiments by Norberto), but it is looking like it would work.

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Douglas is in the "To-Do-List"; H89_Mezzanine. I worked on it for a while on the mechanical pins aligments, clearance, and then I switched back to the H8. It will be a great board addition to the H89.

Norberto

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Norberto Collado

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Received today the 2x10 pin female connector and everything looked fine until I put the FT245R board on a real wire-wrap board. This board was design to be attached to the outside of the board and not on top of the board. The solder underneath the board along with the pins for the 2x10 pin male header, will force the board to lifted at an angle when inserted on a wire-wrap board. The solution will be to cut a hole underneath the board to released such pressure.

 

Here are some photos which described better the issue. I’m open to other ideas to fix this issue. ☹

 

Looks good so far! 😊

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Wrong position:☹

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Correct position: 😊

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Solution: Cut a hole on top of the board. 😊

 

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Thanks,

Norberto

Glenn Roberts

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Hole in the board seems rather drastic. Are you using a high profile right angle connector? What dimension would you need to make it work? What is your source for the ft245 breakout board? Is it available without the pre-attached header? A straight header would be better for this application.

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Douglas Miller

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Not to kick up any more dust on the matter, but there is this module:

https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/FTDI/UM245R?qs=Xb8IjHhkxj4TWAlYgWlsig%3D%3D

Which is a more conventional mount, albeit more expensive (2.5x).

As Glenn said, might be worth contacting WaveShare and see if they can supply without the header mounted. That was a nice thing about AdaFruit, at least in my experience - they ship their modules with the header separate.

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Can you first use a 2x10 straight DIL header (or two SIP headers side-by-side), and then plug the right-angle 2x10 DIL connector into that?

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Glenn Roberts

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The FTDI board might also have a bit more longevity.  I wonder if the WaveShare board will disappear after a year just like the Sparkfun one did?  For that matter, will WaveShare itself be around long term? The FTDI VDIP1 board has been available for a very long time now…

 

I know we’ve mostly stuck to through-hole construction on our boards, but another option could be to surface mount the ft245 chip on the board… the Rev 1.1 USB board for the H8 has this option

http://koyado.com/Heathkit/H-8_USB_files/H8-USB%20CONTROLLER%20V1_0-1.pdf

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Douglas Miller

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I also noticed there is a QFN package for the chip, so we could use a socket I think. But, digiKey didn't have the chips in stock - either package.

Norby

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Thanks Douglas! I’m going with a rectangular hole on the board. Next steps is to figure out on how to develop a rectangular hole of such size. I have to consult with my friend Google.

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s shumaker

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A thought that might make the cutting easier (cheaper)   would be to shift it enough that you have a 3 sided opening in the edge of the board rather than a 4 sided hole that has to cut separately..

steve

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Thanks, Steve, for your feedback! That is a better idea.

As Glenn mentioned, I added surface mount to the H8-USB board as it was difficult at that time to get the AdaFruit board! 

Glenn, thanks for the reminder as I forgot about it. I decided to go with the surface mount part as it will provide "longevity" to this board which is what we want. I will ask the pcb manufacturer to install such component at the factory depending on price. If not, then we will need someone to help us solder such part to the board or provide instructions on how to do it easily ourselves. 



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norberto.collado koyado.com

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Can you first use a 2x10 straight DIL header (or two SIP headers side-by-side), and then plug the right-angle 2x10 DIL connector into that?

I did try that last night, but the connections are weak as the pins are not long enough to make good contact. This can cause the board not to work as the contacts are weak.

Thanks,

Norberto

Glenn Roberts

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And I may be wrong but I suspect the majority of users will be more focused on the VDIP USB solution, so not every board will need the FT245 installed.  Good idea to inquire about factory install. 

 

I’ve recently become less leary of SMT components. I notice even some of the hobby magazines are featuring projects with SMT (e.g. Silicon Chip [Australia]). I got a lesson in the basics from the guy at the next booth from us at VCF.  I guess PC board mfgrs can also provide a solder/flux mask to help with parts placement and then you pop the board into a modified toaster oven. I know I’m oversimplifying, and many of you out there are undoubtedly expert at this.  Still, we likely won’t be able to rely forever on through-hole technology and breakout boards…

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we're all gonna have to learn to do SMT eventually...

norberto.collado koyado.com

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I will remove the right-angle connector on this module so that it can mounted at a straight angle. That will give us the capability to use this module or add the surface mount part as well. Two possible solutions better than one. Removing the right-angle pins from this board will be much easier. I will give it a try tomorrow.

 
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Dave McGuire

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On 1/14/22 3:20 PM, Glenn Roberts wrote:
> I’ve recently become less leary of SMT components. I notice even some of
> the hobby magazines are featuring projects with SMT (e.g. Silicon Chip
> [Australia]). I got a lesson in the basics from the guy at the next
> booth from us at VCF.

Nice!

> I guess PC board mfgrs can also provide a
> solder/flux mask to help with parts placement and then you pop the board
> into a modified toaster oven.

Ugh! :-/

I am happy to help people get started with surface-mount. I even do
it before breakfast. =)

> I know I’m oversimplifying, and many of
> you out there are undoubtedly expert at this.  Still, we likely won’t be
> able to rely forever on through-hole technology and breakout boards…

Actually we probably will, if history is any indicator. There's an
extremely widespread perception that SMT is somehow "new" and
through-hole is somehow "obsolete". Well, you can get through-hole
7400s all day long from first-line (i.e., above Jameco etc)
distributors, and surface-mount parts have been around, and common,
since the 1960s.

There's also an extremely widespread irrational fear of surface-mount
parts. I think a lot of that stems from people rushing in without
thinking (or listening) and destroying things. No, you cannot use your
bought-it-at-Radio-Shack-in-1980-for-$7 soldering iron. No, you cannot
use your huge 1/8" diameter wire solder. And no, the standard muscle
memory soldering expertise that you've had for decades. It is a
DIFFERENT PROCESS that requires different tools and skills.

When people rush in and try to use their existing tools and
expertise, things go to hell pretty quickly. The first bit of advice
that I have is to slow down, take your time, and learn about how it all
works. Then get the proper tools, then start to develop the expertise.
You know, just how we all learned through-hole soldering decades ago!

I made this "transition" about 25 years ago. It didn't take long for
me to start hating through-hole construction. It takes forever by
comparison, constant flipping over of boards, burnt fingers, crazy
contortions to hold components in while you get one pin soldered, etc
etc etc. All of that BS is gone with surface-mount.

As a commercial designer, the only time I design with through-hole
parts now is for connectors which will see a lot of physical stress.
Beyond that, I avoid them like the plague.

If I can handle it, anyone can.

-Dave

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Mitchell Smith

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I'll second what Dave said.
Once you start using surface mount parts you'll never want to go back to through hole construction.
If anyone needs help I'm happy to assist.

Mitch Smith
KB3GKC
Monroeton, PA

Glenn Roberts

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Encouraging support from both of you. thanks guys!

 

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Roland Langfeld

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I like to confirm that I'm still interested in one of the H89 USB serial boards ! I'm willing to pay upfront to support this project - pls let me know how to transfer the money !
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Roland

Glenn Roberts

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Are we going to do the H89 USB/serial card order like the others lately?  Todd Goodman will have a batch made up and then post a note here?

 

If so no need to orchestrate a “pre order” list.  just wait for the announcement from Todd… is that our process ?

 

  • Glenn

 

 

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Steven Feinsmith

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Please add my name for future board releases.

Thanks,
Steven

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Almost done with the board updates. I cannot finalize until I get the FT245R breakout board to verify placement along with the VDIP1 and secondary USB port.


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Also, I’m going to move the logic around so that I can get more free real state by using the same layout as in the MMS Corvus board. See attached picture.

 

The USART’s on the right and the VDIP1 and RT245R on the left.

So it’s not a slam-dunk to adopt the replacement board from the perspective of board layout.

 

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Seems to be in-stock at https://www.canakit.com/breakout-board-for-ft245rl-usb-to-fifo-bob-07841.html

 

Alternatively, replace the current DIP-style footprint with the DIL end-connector style that’s readily available on eBay.

Example: https://www.ebay.com/itm/384504988953

 

Also available at, e.g.,: https://pmdway.com/products/ft245-usb-to-parallel-fifo-breakout-board

 

My vote goes to keeping the FT245RL but with the DIL end-connector footprint.  The pin-out is specified on the PCB:

 

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Digikey has 0 in stock. Let’s put this board to rest. I will take it out from the H89-Serial-USB board unless there is objection.

At the time these boards (this one and the companion H8 board) were designed the group was experimenting with two approaches to USB connectivity. The 24-pin socket to the right holds an FTDI VDIP1 which can do USB host protocol, allowing for flash drives, printers and other devices to connect. In this mode the H8/H89 is the USB “host” with the heavy lifting of the USB protocols all built into the processor on the VDIP1.  I wrote some simple utilities to copy files to/from the flash drive (I’m currently baselining/documenting that code – more soon on that!. Earlier versions of my code are on Norberto’s site http://koyado.com/Heathkit/H-8_USB.html)

 

The FT245 breakout board sported an FT245RL chip which implements the “slave” side of the USB protocol.  In this mode the H8/H89 must be plugged into a host computer.  The host sees the H8/89 essentially the same way it would a disk drive or flash drive. All of the file transfer functionality is implemented in software on the PC side. Dan Emrick and Chris Elmquist did some innovative work with this: http://danemricksite.net/HeathkitProjects.php#USB/H8D

 

The Sparkfun breakout board is no longer available but the VDIP1 is still available (Mouser, Digikey…). FTDI has also come out with a newer version of the VDIP based on their VNC2 chip series, but we’ve seen little compelling reason to change our designs.

 

  1. Glenn

 

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I have been working on this board schematics as they were not linked to the board layout and did not want to make a layout mistake by adding some improvements. I just finalized it and will order boards after X-mas is over.

 

Happy Holidays!

 

Norberto

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Todd is the man! I started a list for a few boards, but the list is now bigger, so we need Todd’s help.

 

Norby

 


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Todd Goodman

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Great!  I'm on deck and will order when I hear from Norberto that it's ready to go.

I'll order enough to try to reduce the cost and have them on hand for anyone looking for one in the future.

Todd

Norberto Collado

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Thanks Todd!

 

After testing different approaches, I decided to go with the 3 sided opening as suggested by Steve Shumaker. I think I have the main components in the right position, so I shall complete the layout this week.

 

You can use either use the FT245R breakout board with the 10-pin connector or the surface mount part with the USB-A connector. Once the USB-A male connector is installed, you cannot use the breakout board. I will suggest to use the breakout board with the 10-pin connector and when they go obsolete you can switch to the surface mount part if needed.

 

Here is a distorted picture of final board.

 

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Thanks,

Norberto

Glenn Roberts

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Norberto mentions the USB A connector – here’s a little more info.

 

The FTDI VDIP-1 controller board that we have used from day 1 on these boards includes an ability to talk to two USB ports. Port 2 is the one built into the board itself:

 

But Norberto has always provided a place to mount a second “A” type connector to interface to Port 1.

 

The VDIP firmware we’ve been using is called “VDAP” and is documented here https://ftdichip.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/UM_VinculumFirmware_V205-1.pdf  It contains a rich command set that we haven’t completely tapped into.  The main commands we’ve used involve access to USB flash drives on Port 2 but you can also connect a range of devices to port 1 including hubs, printers and “human interface devices”.  To my knowledge none of us has experimented with this but it does offer up lots of possibility.  For example, the ability to attach a USB printer to your system.  Or what about a mouse or keyboard?  As usual it’s a “small matter of programming” to figure out how to do this.

 

So when considering whether or not to add the second USB connector to your build just remember that there are some possibilities that we can explore here when one of us has the time to dig into this! So far on all the boards I’ve built I’ve chosen to add the connector since it involves only a few parts, but on the new board it sounds like there may be an issue if you need the FT245 interface board.

 

  • Glenn

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks Todd!

 

After testing different approaches, I decided to go with the 3 sided opening as suggested by Steve Shumaker. I think I have the main components in the right position, so I shall complete the layout this week.

 

You can use either use the FT245R breakout board with the 10-pin connector or the surface mount part with the USB-A connector. Once the USB-A male connector is installed, you cannot use the breakout board. I will suggest to use the breakout board with the 10-pin connector and when they go obsolete you can switch to the surface mount part if needed.

 

Here is a distorted picture of final board.

 

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Thanks,

Norberto

 

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Great!  I'm on deck and will order when I hear from Norberto that it's ready to go.

I'll order enough to try to reduce the cost and have them on hand for anyone looking for one in the future.

Todd

 

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 but on the new board it sounds like there may be an issue if you need the FT245 interface board.

 

The above is only true with the FT245 and not true for the VDIP1. The board supports both USB ports for the VDIP1 at the same time.

 

Norberto

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I will be ordering 4-pcs of such boards hopefully this weekend to check layout for honest mistakes before transferring ownership to Todd. 

Terry G. I will need your help in soldering the surface mount FT245R IC to three of such boards as you did a great job on the surface mount network modules.  I already have the surface mount parts ready. 🙂 I need to verify that the surface mount FT245R IC works fine on such board.

Thanks,
Norberto
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Terry Gulczynski

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I'll be more than happy to do the soldering, but I'll never claim to be
very good with SMD stuff. I do OK with the .050" stuff; smaller is a
crapshoot.

Terry

On 1/26/2022 1:28 PM, norberto.collado koyado.com wrote:
> I will be ordering 4-pcs of such boards hopefully this weekend to check
> layout for honest mistakes before transferring ownership to Todd.
>
> Terry G. I will need your help in soldering the surface mount FT245R IC
> to three of such boards as you did a great job on the surface mount
> network modules.  I already have the surface mount parts ready. 🙂 I
> need to verify that the surface mount FT245R IC works fine on such board.
>
> Thanks,
> Norberto
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> *Subject:* Re: [sebhc] Re: H89-USB-Serial order list.
>
> but on the new board it sounds like there may be an issue if you need
> the FT245 interface board.
>
> The above is only true with the FT245 and not true for the VDIP1. The
> board supports both USB ports for the VDIP1 at the same time.
>
> Norberto
>
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> *Subject: *RE: [sebhc] Re: H89-USB-Serial order list.
>
> Norberto mentions the USB A connector – here’s a little more info.
>
> The FTDI VDIP-1 controller board that we have used from day 1 on these
> boards includes an ability to talk to two USB ports. Port 2 is the one
> built into the board itself:
>
> But Norberto has always provided a place to mount a second “A” type
> connector to interface to Port 1.
>
> The VDIP firmware we’ve been using is called “VDAP” and is documented
> here
> https://ftdichip.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/UM_VinculumFirmware_V205-1.pdf
> <https://ftdichip.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/UM_VinculumFirmware_V205-1.pdf>
> It contains a rich command set that we haven’t completely tapped into.
> The main commands we’ve used involve access to USB flash drives on Port
> 2 but you can also connect a range of devices to port 1 including hubs,
> printers and “human interface devices”.  To my knowledge none of us has
> experimented with this but it does offer up lots of possibility.  For
> example, the ability to attach a USB printer to your system.  Or what
> about a mouse or keyboard?  As usual it’s a “small matter of
> programming” to figure out how to do this.
>
> So when considering whether or not to add the second USB connector to
> your build just remember that there are some possibilities that we can
> explore here when one of us has the time to dig into this! So far on all
> the boards I’ve built I’ve chosen to add the connector since it involves
> only a few parts, but on the new board it sounds like there may be an
> issue if you need the FT245 interface board.
>
> * Glenn
>
> *From:* se...@googlegroups.com <se...@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of
> *Norberto Collado
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2022 2:43 AM
> *To:* se...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [sebhc] Re: H89-USB-Serial order list.
>
> Thanks Todd!
>
> After testing different approaches, I decided to go with the 3 sided
> opening as suggested by Steve Shumaker. I think I have the main
> components in the right position, so I shall complete the layout this week.
>
> You can use either use the FT245R breakout board with the 10-pin
> connector or the surface mount part with the USB-A connector. Once the
> USB-A male connector is installed, you cannot use the breakout board. I
> will suggest to use the breakout board with the 10-pin connector and
> when they go obsolete you can switch to the surface mount part if needed.
>
> Here is a distorted picture of final board.
>
> A screenshot of a video game Description automatically generated
>
> Thanks,
>
> Norberto
>
> *From: *"se...@googlegroups.com <mailto:se...@googlegroups.com>"
> <se...@googlegroups.com <mailto:se...@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of
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> *Date: *Monday, January 17, 2022 at 3:49 AM
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> <se...@googlegroups.com <mailto:se...@googlegroups.com>>
> *Subject: *Re: [sebhc] Re: H89-USB-Serial order list.
>
> Great!  I'm on deck and will order when I hear from Norberto that it's
> ready to go.
>
> I'll order enough to try to reduce the cost and have them on hand for
> anyone looking for one in the future.
>
> Todd
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I'm always willing to help with stuff like that, if you want to pass
it through here. Let me know.

-Dave

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Thank you to both. Let me divide the boards between both to balance the load.

Norberto
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That's up to you and Terry; I don't mind doing all of them if
desired, if Terry isn't comfortable with it. Remember that I have a
full assembly setup here; I do this for a living. (but free for stuff
like this, of course)

-Dave

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> Thank you to both. Let me divide the boards between both to balance the
> load.
>
> Norberto
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>>>
>>> Great!  I'm on deck and will order when I hear from Norberto that it's
>>> ready to go.
>>>
>>> I'll order enough to try to reduce the cost and have them on hand for
>>> anyone looking for one in the future.
>>>
>>> Todd
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I'm always willing to help, but I'm betting Dave would do a far better job.

Terry

On 1/26/2022 2:41 PM, norberto.collado koyado.com wrote:
> Thank you to both. Let me divide the boards between both to balance the
> load.
>
> Norberto
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>>>
>>> Great!  I'm on deck and will order when I hear from Norberto that it's
>>> ready to go.
>>>
>>> I'll order enough to try to reduce the cost and have them on hand for
>>> anyone looking for one in the future.
>>>
>>> Todd
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Okay ✅ Dave you are on.

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> I'm always willing to help, but I'm betting Dave would do a far better job.

Dave McGuire

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Just let me know what/when/etc when you are ready.

-Dave

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When ready I will ask for your shipping address to send the boards + IC's. 

Thank you for your help!

Norberto
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Sounds good, and no problem at all.

-Dave

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> Thank you for your help!
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After adding the FT245R surface mount part and the FT245R breakout board, the data bus go messy, so I had to removed the high speed OSC for the USART. I used such space to add a data buffer to isolate the data bus. This will also improve the reliability of the board and H89 computer.

 

This is how it looks now with the data buffer.

 

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Steven Feinsmith

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It looks great! Make sure my name is on your order listing. I think I may need two (2) boards for my H89 and H88.

Thanks,
Steven

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Dave McGuire

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On 1/27/22 5:38 PM, Steven Feinsmith wrote:
> It looks great! Make sure my name is on your order listing. I think I
> may need two (2) boards for my H89 and H88.
>
> Thanks,
> Steven
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 5:34 PM Norberto Collado
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> After adding the FT245R surface mount part and the FT245R breakout
> board, the data bus go messy, so I had to removed the high speed OSC
> for the USART. I used such space to add a data buffer to isolate the
> data bus. This will also improve the reliability of the board and
> H89 computer.____
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Norberto Collado

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Layout is now completed. I will do another review before ordering a few boards to verify for layout mistakes.

 

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Darrell Pelan

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Looks great! Do you have footprint files or 3D models for the H-89 bus connectors?

Norberto Collado

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I will post all the files on the webserver when done and then you can use such footprints as needed.

 

Norberto

 

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Subject: Re: [sebhc] Re: H89-USB-Serial order list.

 

Looks great! Do you have footprint files or 3D models for the H-89 bus connectors?

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 5:34:03 PM UTC-5 Norby wrote:

After adding the FT245R surface mount part and the FT245R breakout board, the data bus go messy, so I had to removed the high speed OSC for the USART. I used such space to add a data buffer to isolate the data bus. This will also improve the reliability of the board and H89 computer.

 

This is how it looks now with the data buffer.

 

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norberto.collado koyado.com

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FILES HERE.
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I will post all the files on the webserver when done and then you can use such footprints as needed.

 

Norberto

 

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Looks great! Do you have footprint files or 3D models for the H-89 bus connectors?

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 5:34:03 PM UTC-5 Norby wrote:

After adding the FT245R surface mount part and the FT245R breakout board, the data bus go messy, so I had to removed the high speed OSC for the USART. I used such space to add a data buffer to isolate the data bus. This will also improve the reliability of the board and H89 computer.

 

This is how it looks now with the data buffer.

 

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Darrell Pelan

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Jan 27, 2022, 8:42:39 PM1/27/22
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Got them. Thanks!

 Darrell

Norberto Collado

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Load them into the PCB layout library. When placing them, just rotate them into position. Let me know if any issues.

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norberto.collado koyado.com

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I preloaded both of them with the H88 pad name, so it is easier to connect.



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Norberto Collado

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The files for the H89 Serial USB Controller are here: http://koyado.com/heathkit/New-H8-Website/h89-serial-usb.html

 

I will order a set to check the layout. If everything works fine, then I will let Todd know so that you can get a board.

 

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Thanks,

Norberto

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Norberto:

 

Thank you for the continued progress on this :-}.

I see that you snuck in a SSOP-28 (ouch!) footprint for a “naked” FT245R; I presume that goes with use of the “FT245R1” USBA_3 footprint?

Will you be soldering one up and testing that alternative to the daughterboard?

 

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The files for the H89 Serial USB Controller are here: http://koyado.com/heathkit/New-H8-Website/h89-serial-usb.html

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Norberto Collado

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The plan is to solder the SSOP-28 part into the board and to test via USB-A. The micro USB-C breaks easily as it is surface mount as well.

 

Norberto

 


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I pull back such board to add the Mini-USB and USB-C breakout boards to have more cable options. I received those boards today. So I hope to put the order back in by tomorrow.

 

Here is a picture of such boards and sorry for the delay.

 

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Norberto Collado

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Ordered boards to check the layout. Hopefully no issues. 😊

 

Website updated!

 

http://koyado.com/heathkit/New-H8-Website/h89-serial-usb.html

 

Norberto

 

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I pulled back such board to add the Mini-USB and USB-C breakout boards to have more cable options. I received those boards today. So I hope to put the order back in by tomorrow.

Norberto Collado

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As  Shanghai is in COVID-19 lockdown, I do not expect any boards soon.

 

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norberto...@koyado.com

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I just got confirmation from Shanghai that the H89-USB-Serial boards will ship tomorrow. 😊

 

Thanks,

Norberto

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Hello Dave,

 

The H89-USB boards will be here by next week. I will like to send you 2xboards to solder the surface mount FT245R IC. I will send the following parts so that you can test it with a laptop. The laptop should power up the IC and should be detected by the Windows device manager.

 

Sending:

2x pcb boards

2x jumpers to power-up the IC (soldered)

2x FT245RL surface mount

1x USB Mini Cable to test IC with laptop  or PC.

2x Mini USB adapter (soldered)

 

Just email me your shipping address, to send the above parts. You can keep one of the boards if interested as I just need one for functional verification.

 

Thank you for your help,

Norberto

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I’m not sure how the FT245R is being powered (USB vs. local) but the following point was recently made in another forum – although I expect that it is less relevant here.  Still, FYI:

 

“I _always_ use bus power for those modules wherever possible, mainly so that power cycling the target system doesn't make the host system think that the serial port has gone away and come back. That serial port "flap" almost always requires manually telling whatever software you're using on the host to reopen the port, or running it again from scratch. That's not a big concern if you don't anticipate power-cycling the target, but somehow I often wind up having to do that.”

 

I note that the typical FT245R-based mini-boards usually include a 1x3 jumper-block to make the choice, and the USB-choice brings additional line-protection circuitry to bear.

 

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Dave McGuire

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On 4/17/22 04:24, norberto...@koyado.com wrote:
> The H89-USB boards will be here by next week. I will like to send you
> 2xboards to solder the surface mount FT245R IC. I will send the
> following parts so that you can test it with a laptop. The laptop should
> power up the IC and should be detected by the Windows device manager.

There's no Windows here, but I can test it with Linux.

> Sending:
>
> 2x pcb boards
> 2x jumpers to power-up the IC (soldered)
> 2x FT245RL surface mount
> 1x USB Mini Cable to test IC with laptop  or PC.
> 2x Mini USB adapter (soldered)
>
> Just email me your shipping address, to send the above parts. You can
> keep one of the boards if interested as I just need one for functional
> verification.

Send to:

McGuire Scientific Services, LLC
887 5th Avenue
New Kensington, PA 15068

> Thank you for your help,

It's no problem at all.

-Dave

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Good point and thank you for sharing such information. Powering the FT245 ONLY FROM THE USB port is a big mistake. In our case we power the FT245RT from the H89 side and from the USB side by using a diode on the H89 SIDE (VUSB). The FT245 IC is always powered. If we only power from the USB side, then the following issue will occur:

 

“This is to prevent the FT245 from adding too much capacitance to the data bus if the FT245 USB cable is not connected to the USB port on the PC side to avoid data corruption when trying to read from the VDIP1. On the H89 it causes the system to hang on power-on. ”

 

By buffering the data bus on this board for sure we fixed the H89 hang on power-on. The diode prevents the IC  from losing VCC. I do not use +3V, instead +5V.

 

 

Thanks,

Norberto

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The H89-USB-Serial board arrived this evening. I just found some minor mechanical problems that I will need to fix, but won't interfere with the operation of the board. The 3-side cut work out fine to install the FT245 board.

Pictures attached.

Norberto

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Glenn Roberts

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I'm sure the H89ers in the group will be happy! I'm as guilty as anyone but we have been very H8-focused lately...

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Hello Dave,

 

I'm  sending you the two H89 boards. To be able to use the smaller USPS box, I cannot solder the parts. I'm sending you the parts to solder. It is a 3-pin header for VCC to the FT245 and a Mini-USB adapter.

 

I will include the MINI-USB power cable.

 

Solder USB-Mini breakout board here: header included.

 

Note: Also figure out the best method to install such breakout part to the board.

 

 

 

Solder 3-pin power header included here + the FT245 surface mount part (JP2)

 

  

Send to:

 

   McGuire Scientific Services, LLC

   887 5th Avenue

   New Kensington, PA 15068

 

Thanks,

Norberto

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Norberto Collado

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Dave,

 

Here is tracking information:

 

Shipping details

Purchase date 

4/21/2022

Shipping Carrier 

USPS

Tracking number

9405511202540475377937

 

Ship to 

MCGUIRE SCIENTIFIC SERVICES, LLC

SCIENTIFIC SERVICES

887 5TH AVE

NEW KENSINGTON, PA 15068-6303

 

Norby

 


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I just finished the assembly of the H89-USB-Serial board. It is ready for testing. I took out my old friend from storage (H89-SBC) to use it to test it out. This new board looks great.

 

Now to assembled the H8-Z5-4 cassette board.

 

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norberto.collado koyado.com

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Dave,

 

Any updates on these boards?

 

Your item was delivered in or at the mailbox at 8:38 am on April 25, 2022 in NEW KENSINGTON, PA 15068.

 

Thanks,

Norberto

 

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