Re: Sanskrit Abhyas http://sanskritabhyas.in

[विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki)]

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+ sanskrit-programmers - noting an interesting effort to track.

On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 5:21 AM Sanskrit Abhyas <in...@sanskritabhyas.in> wrote:

क्षम्यताम् । "क्त्वा" प्रत्ययः एव समीचीनः । I have fixed it on the website now. I will be adding a full list of तद्धित् and कृत् प्रत्ययाः and it's effects on all Pratipadikas and Dhatus along with exercises in the system this year. Hopefully all these issues will be sorted out then.

I haven't put an "About" page on the site as I didn't want to publish my details without giving proper credit to the people whose names deserves to be mentioned along with mine for their support. I didn't see my personal information as a priority.

I will however share some information about this site. I am building a Sanskrit grammar rule engine which will eventually implement all rules of Ashtadhyayi. Once complete, this engine will be made available to other developers to enable them to develop various tools related to promoting Sanskrit. The Sanskrit Abhyas website uses this grammar engine internally for it's functionality. The site will be made available in all major Indian languages at least and will always be free and without ads. I have plans to make modules for beginners like school children, for grammarians and for every one in between.

I am trying to register a company to be able to sustain and expand this work as this is now a full time activity for me for the past couple of years. I was busy with the same and that's why I could only see your mail yesterday. My apologies for the same. Once the registration is complete I will put up my personal details along with credits. Till then I'll say that I'm a Sanskrit lover who believes that every Bharatiya, beginning with those living in India, should know Sanskrit and am using couple of decades of software development experience to work towards this possibility.

I hope this is sufficient information for now. Thank you for your kind words and suggestions.

शुभं भवतु

On 25-Dec-18 5:30 AM, विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki) wrote:

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रुचिरं जालक्षेत्रम् अभिनन्दनीयम्! अयि संस्कृताभ्यासजालक्षेत्रकृत्! मराठभाषाभिज्ञ! स्वपरिचयं यच्छ।
तथा च कौतूहलशमनाय ब्रूहि कथमिव "क्त्वाच्" प्रत्यय इत्युच्यते "क्त्वा"+इति वचनस्य स्थाने। एवम् भवता hugo तन्त्रांशः‌ प्रयुक्तो जालक्षेत्ररचनायै?

On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 12:57 PM Sanskrit Team member <sans...@cheerful.com> wrote:

If you have not esen it yet, please checkout Sanskrit Abhyas http://sanskritabhyas.in

(Added in http://sanskritlinks.blogspot.com/)

 

Do you know who has developed it?

 

Nandu

 

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[Chandrasekharan Raman]

Is there a git-hub repository to report errors in this website?

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[Lokesh Sharma]

Sanskrit Abhyas is down since days. Is there anyone to contact?

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[SOUNDHARAVALLI BALAJI]

Dear all,

Yes. Sanskrit Abhyas website is very useful to learn Sanskrit. Nowadays it is down. Why this? Please upload the website contents to verify grammar rules of sanskrit. We are Very thankful to upload this website in Google drive.

Thanks a lot.

Yours truthfully

Soundaravalli.

soundharav...@gmail.com 

[Ajay Prakash]

I am converting all programming language compilers to make software development order free code which can allow development order free thinking . any one interested to contribute ?

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[हरिः व्योम]

I want to convert all dharmics to compile in Sanskrit to make Sanskrit Development, and whatever order that is, free thinking of course, allow freedom to develop oneself with zero contribution other than just compiling.

Wanna get committed?😁

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[Anunad Singh]

Could you please say using simple sentences what you want to say?  This refers to your following statement-

[हरिः व्योम]

If you could decipher the previous response, I'd be happy to connect and convey.

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[Anunad Singh]

Can you explain with an example what is meant by  "making software development order free code"  ? 

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[Ajay Prakash]

its very easy concept. in sanskrit , a sentence like : 

रामः वनं गच्छति।

गच्छति रामः वनं।

वनं गच्छति रामः।

above even if we change word order meaning remain same , so a single sentence could be thought in three different ways.

sanskrit sentences are order free. 

similarly , if we write python program we have to follow order else compiler complain but if we can make compiler itself order free 

to process data then we all could wirte program order free resulting in order free thinking and making programming much interesting and fun . 

above image , we are developing cpython compiler modification so this order free lexical parsing is possible . so anyone can code and develop software . 

Thanks,

Ajay 

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[Anunad Singh]

Have you tried even a simple Python program to make it order free?

Let me say that calling  "रामः वनं गच्छति।  and गच्छति रामः वनं। and वनं गच्छति रामः।" an 'order-free program' is not right.  The concept of order-free program is contrary to the very concept of 'programming' . 'Programming' itself loosely means sequencing or ordering.  If operations are not performed in a proper sequence, the results will be different and you will not get the intended results.

It is another thing that you add 3 to 4,  or 4 to 3, the results are the same. This is a very-very simple operation!

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[Karthik]

Ram Durbha has a similar project he is working on: a programming language that uses Sanskrit as the medium of instruction. It's not simply translating expression blocks to यदि तर्हि etc but understands vibhaktis to make the language relatively order free.

Maybe you can exchange ideas with him.

[Anunad Singh]

> It's not simply translating expression blocks to यदि तर्हि etc but understands vibhaktis to make the language relatively order free.

Kartik, do you mean that the compiler or the interpreter will understand the correct intention of the programmer even though the programmer does not specify any particular order of operations??  Does this NOT have a high risk of mal-operation?

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[Karthik]

Yes. The compiler for a free word order language will parse the same instruction written in many different ways into the exact same AST. If it cannot make sense of something, it will raise an error like any other compiler. Very little chance for misinterpretation or mal-operation.

I have written many parsers and compilers for fun. These do not operate randomly. Everything definition in the program goes into a symbol table. Every future reference must be verified against the symbol table. Consider something like uniform function call syntax (UFCS). If I have a List variable called xs, both these expressions are valid in a compiler that supports it:

x = head(xs)

x = xs.head()

When you analyze the program, you either see the head function first and see that it accepts a List as a parameter, or you see the List variable xs and see the head function being called on it

Either way, you rewrite that AST node into a canonical representation.

Something similar will happen with the free word order language. Just because you can write the same thing in multiple ways does not mean that it is a free for all. Rules still have to be obeyed.

[Vinodh Rajan]

<<sanskrit sentences are order free. >>

No. They are not. I'm sure there are gazillion examples where changing the word order changes the meaning of sentences.

A simple sentence with two neuter nouns and a verb requiring an accusative would change the meaning based on the word order. 

Mitraṃ kalatraṃ hanti
Kalatraṃ mitraṃ hanti

I think we should just stop aggrandizing Sanskrit to the point of sheer nonsense. Sanskrit is a beautiful and intricate language with its own nuances that has immense historical and cultural significance. But just making up magical facts about Sanskrit doesn't help even a bit.

V

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[Arjuna S R]

Dear all,

These research articles will be useful for this conversation -

1) https://aclanthology.org/2020.icon-main.41.pdf

2) https://www.researchgate.net/publication/283046268_How_free_is_'free'_word_order_in_Sanskrit

Thank you.

Best,

Arjuna