I actually proposed something like this before: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sandstorm-dev/F0dHboYs8Cc
I personally would be happy to throw some money at Sandstorm related projects, the challenge is finding a method where developers can be confident they would get paid for the work, and users could be confident they'd get a strong quality result.
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I actually proposed something like this before: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sandstorm-dev/F0dHboYs8Cc
I personally would be happy to throw some money at Sandstorm related projects, the challenge is finding a method where developers can be confident they would get paid for the work, and users could be confident they'd get a strong quality result.
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From: Pro7Tech
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 9:12 PM
To: Sandstorm Development
Subject: [sandstorm-dev] Brainstorming about App Marketplace to driveSandstorm adoption
Kenton and the Sandstorm Community,
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As someone who has ported a handful of apps to Sandstorm, I'd
love to see this. Sometimes my ports lag behind releases or
experience long-standing issues, and working two jobs I just don't
have the time to give them. If they pulled in beer money or more,
then I could give them a bit more effort than I can as
uncompensated open source efforts. I've thought about setting up a
Patreon for myself but haven't been super confident in my ability
to pitch it.
In a few weeks, some folks and I will begin developing a platform co-op business. I'm going to encourage that we adopt Sandstorm for our business and governance systems, and if we take investment then I plan on encouraging us to earmark some of our funds to pay me/other members to improve existing Sandstorm apps with an eye towards building more accessible alternatives to the inaccessible Slack and Trello. This is in line with several cooperative principles so I'm hopeful that it can happen.
But aside from that, there's no reason I can think of that this needs to be built by Sandstorm the company, who all seem to be very overworked just building the core platform. :) It can be a third party effort, and I'm happy to help with it if others are onboard. Unfortunately I lack the connections to promote such a thing, but throwing together an MVP where projects can be proposed and bounties listed would be fairly easy. I can't afford to do it if we don't have the reach/connections to promote it, though.
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Great! I've had a bit of interest in this from the platform co-op folks. Glad to see that you'd be interested in promoting us if we did something.
Now we need to investigate feasibility. If you don't mind sharing, I've seen a few "professional services" references in your meeting minutes. Are these services development/port-related, and if so, would you be willing to share those contacts privately with me? Or do you know of any commercial demand for greenfield app development, or commercial need for ports?
Thanks.
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Great! I've had a bit of interest in this from the platform co-op folks. Glad to see that you'd be interested in promoting us if we did something.
Now we need to investigate feasibility. If you don't mind sharing, I've seen a few "professional services" references in your meeting minutes. Are these services development/port-related, and if so, would you be willing to share those contacts privately with me? Or do you know of any commercial demand for greenfield app development, or commercial need for ports?
Thanks.
On 12/04/2016 10:06 PM, Kenton Varda wrote:
Hi all,
I really like the idea of bounties and crowdfunding to get apps ported. Unfortunately, among all the things that the Sandstorm core team is working on, we haven't been able to find time to set up anything like this. Looking at our current plans, I don't think we're likely to have time in the near term. :(
If someone in the community wanted to organize something, though, we would be very happy to promote it and help however we can!
Note that one tricky issue is going to be judging whether a port is sufficiently "sandstorm-y". Getting an app to run in Sandstorm is usually fairly easy, but getting it to use the appropriate Sandstorm APIs e.g. for notifications, sharing, etc. is more work. Ports that don't do this integration are generally not very pleasant to use, so we'll need some way to make sure packagers have the proper incentive to do this work. Also, there should be some incentive to update the package regularly.
-Kenton
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Kenton and the Sandstorm Community,
First of all I want to extend my appreciation for the creativity and incredible value that Sandstorm brings to the software world.
And just wanted to share an idea that could help spur adoption of this revolutionary platform.
What if there was a Kickstarter-marketplace for app porting? It seems like certain people would like certain apps ported and don't have the time to do it or others have the time but don't have the funds to invest in such a project. If we could match the people with funds with the people who have time to port we could help grow the app ecosystem in Sandstorm. And if that ecosystem grows the value of sandstorm grows more useful with each new app.
Having a marketplace around sandstorm work would also incentivize the adoption of the platform by providing developers multiple ways to make money with sandstorm. This might be similar to the marketplace that grew up around Wordpress that helped drive it’s massive adoption.
Just throwing the idea out there to see if there is any interest... cheers!
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I'm in need of a bit of extra cash and am thinking of taking this
on. Additionally, there are some apps I'd really like to see on
Sandstorm, and while I don't have the funds to support others in
doing the work, maybe my own need plus some financial
encouragement might help me to contribute more. Sorry, I'm
genuinely not trying to squeeze folks for money, I'm just strapped
for cash myself, and not particularly interested in hustling hard
for the opportunity to be someone else's employee. :) So if folks
want to see this done, I'm informally offering my time in exchange
for bounties.
As a status update on where my various projects are, I have an almost complete rewrite of Alexandria (ebook reader) that eliminates the dependency on Meteor/Mongo and adds PDF support, which I've been using for the past few weeks now. A bit of polish would get it to a state where I felt comfortable releasing it, but I just haven't done so yet. Financial encouragement might help, otherwise I'll probably get to it on my own in a few weeks. Hugo is also done in that it gives you a Git endpoint to which a site's repo can be pushed, then builds/publishes the site from that. There is a Caddy-based web admin interface that I think may be ready to integrate, but since it isn't something I explicitly need, I haven't put in the work yet.
Additionally, I recently started doing some consulting for a small software company, and just about every damned tool they use is inaccessible. I've considered doing a Toggl replacement for timetracking. I've also pondered a support ticket tracker, something that might be associated with a support@ email address, so support requests could be tracked and responded to via Sandstorm. Something that took in a bit of data and spit out an invoice might also be useful for me, too. I'd be interested in working on these or other projects for bounties, provided the scope of the bounty is reasonably specified.
Also, I'd probably need someone to come along and clean up my Bootstrap-based designs. Usually this involves tweaking column widths and aligning things so they look nicer. I also couldn't do logo graphics. Screenshots are a bit easier, but I never know how much information about my environment is leaked when I screenshot a window, so I generally let folks who can see take them, ensure they look good, and black out any details that detract from what is being shown.
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I believe you can @ tag them on the Wekan in a comment and they should receive a notification. Everyone who has offered a bounty on the board is obligatorily a member of the board, and hence should be taggable.
I am a little hesitant to take on deciding how to spend someone else's money. It makes me kinda uncomfortable. I feel like the best way to do something like this is for perhaps you to specify some addition to my "x per app, x per update" offers, which aren't specific bounties, and then for me to help manage/arrange payment, since I already need to collect payment info to pay out my own offers.
It also seems totally reasonable to have a hard cap on how much you are willing to pay out in a month. I'm hoping I picked my numbers to where it's unlikely to become unreasonable super quickly, but there's definitely the possibility I'd have to revise my offers if Sandstorm app publishing dramatically increased in frequency.
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