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[Norman Hellmers]

I'm not LDS, but their FamilySearch.com website will be around longer than any Ancestry or commercial host. That's where I'm putting my research of 60+ years.

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June Byrne <jun...@aol.com>: Feb 25 03:24PM So what is everyone else planning.  Is there another free site which would host it?    It is just so frustrating.  I don't mind it staying there but I really have to update it off and on. ...more

Charles Dobie <cdo...@superaje.com>: Feb 25 01:23PM -0500 June,   Losing our hard-won research is a problem we all face as age overtakes us. I'm sure there would be an interest in running a free site, but there has to be an incentive for someone to do ...more

Gina Heffernan <gina.he...@gmail.com>: Feb 25 01:07PM -0600 The only way to guarantee that your work will be available forever is to print it, bind it and put it in a real, hands-on library - make that TWO libraries in case one burns. Paper and binders are ...more

Ruth Mather <ru...@matherclan.com>: Feb 25 04:56PM -0500 I have a website at Simply Hosting https://www.simplyhosting.net which costs me $49 a year and I'm allowed five separate domains. The domain names will cost anywhere from $10 to $16 or $17 a year. ...more

Wayne Setzer <wlse...@gmail.com>: Feb 25 05:28PM -0500 I have a duplicate of my https://sites.rootsweb.com/~wlsetzer/fam_setzer/ website using the FREE hosting services of https://atwebpages.com/get-free-hosting.html.   The url of this free duplicate ...more

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[Heather Waddingham]

Hi Norman   

Sounds great to put information on the LDS site aka familysearch. The issue is if someone disagrees with you they can change it. It has happened to me several times. 

Heather

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[Bill Walsh]

I put my tree on Family Search and then had it removed. Someone kept adding a wife to my grandfather that he never had. No consultation with me just arbitrarily added her. That kind of thing makes for bad genealogy. I wouldn't trust any tree I find there.

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> I'm not LDS, but their FamilySearch.com website will be around longer than
> any Ancestry or commercial host. That's where I'm putting my research of
> 60+ years.
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> > June Byrne <jun...@aol.com>: Feb 25 03:24PM
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> > So what is everyone else planning. Is there another free site which would
> > host it?
> > It is just so frustrating. I don't mind it staying there but I really
> > have to update it off and on. ...more

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> > Charles Dobie <cdo...@superaje.com>: Feb 25 01:23PM -0500
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> > June,
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> > Losing our hard-won research is a problem we all face as age overtakes
> > us. I'm sure there would be an interest in running a free site, but
> > there has to be an incentive for someone to do ...more

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> > Gina Heffernan <gina.he...@gmail.com>: Feb 25 01:07PM -0600
> >
> > The only way to guarantee that your work will be available forever is to
> > print it, bind it and put it in a real, hands-on library - make that TWO
> > libraries in case one burns. Paper and binders are ...more

> > <http://groups.google.com/group/rw-website-help/msg/43621f4a8cd46?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email>

> > Ruth Mather <ru...@matherclan.com>: Feb 25 04:56PM -0500
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> > I have a website at Simply Hosting https://www.simplyhosting.net which
> > costs me $49 a year and I'm allowed five separate domains. The domain
> > names will cost anywhere from $10 to $16 or $17 a year. ...more

> > <http://groups.google.com/group/rw-website-help/msg/43f53c6f74180?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email>

> > Wayne Setzer <wlse...@gmail.com>: Feb 25 05:28PM -0500
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> > I have a duplicate of my
> > https://sites.rootsweb.com/~wlsetzer/fam_setzer/ website using the FREE
> > hosting services of https://atwebpages.com/get-free-hosting.html.
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[Ann (Jobe) Brown]

 

I’ve also created a Jobe one-name study at Wikitree

 

Jobe Name Study (wikitree.com)

 

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Jobe_Legacy_-_A_study_of_Our_Surname

 

Part of what I meant when I said there is more to the site than one first notices.

 

Also, all the profiles on wikitree are into google search.

 

Ann

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FamilySearch has gone to one profile per ancestor, similar to WikiTree and WeRelate.

 

I also have had issues with other FamilySearch users adding/deleting/merging profiles of unrelated people to the profile for a given ancestor.  You can greatly reduce, but not eliminate, the chance of such an occurrence if you thoroughly document your ancestor on the Sources /Collaborate/Memories tabs.  IF there’s been historical confusion regarding an ancestor start that persons Life Sketch in their respective FamilySearch profiles with the heading ‘MYTH’s Busted.  Then explain the myth and why it’s incorrect including citations on the Sources/Collaborate/Memories tabs.  This has cut down significantly the number of times other researchers have repeated the Myth. 

 

You can also ‘Follow’ any ancestor who’s profile keeps getting changed so your alerted if there is an edit to that profile.  IF what is edited is in error you can go to the Latest Changes panel and Restore what was there prior to someone’s erroneous edit.  Typically I follow up with whomever errantly edited the profile with a Message/email to that User with why what they did was incorrect.  That also cuts down on them coming back and repeating that mistake. 

 

Also, too many people come over from Ancestry/MyHeritage and cite sources on Ancestry/MyHeritage, that a lot of users on FamilySearch don’t subscribe to Ancestry/MyHeritage.  In FamilySearch you can go to Search ‘Catalog’, go to the county your ancestor resided in and link them to the county historical record from the digitized microfilms LDS filmed in the 1950’s.  I’d much rather see the historical document, than someone’s abstract of that document.  Too many errors/misinterpretations creep into abstracts.

 

It’s best to remember Always, Always, Always document ancestors profiles with links to historical documents.  Someone’s undocumented tree IS NOT a historical source.

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[Alice Gedge]

The below information is true for FamilySearch Family Tree.  But they do have a place that someone can place his/her genealogy.  It you go to FamilySearch  at the very top of the page, next to the logo, is a SEARCH button.  Click on that, and go to Genealogies.  At the bottom of the page, you can upload your tree and it will stay the way it is when it is submitted. 

 

Alice Gedge

 

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[Bruce]

Thank you Alice for this information!!  But are you completely sure that my family tree cannot be altered if I upload it through this process to Family Search?  My ancestors include many very famous people and, thus, there are literally hundreds of family trees on Ancestry, World Connect and other genealogy sites with bogus claims of a relationship to my ancestors.  Plus, I even have a second cousin who has our family history posted on Ancestry which claims (all bogus) that we descend from Roman Emperors, ALL the kings and queens of Europe, etc. 

As I said, I am 80 years old and just want my family tree which have have researched and documented for many, many years now to be available for free to everyone at least as it stands now!  If, in fact, this process with Family Search will ensure that my family tree of almost 50,000 people will be posted without possible changes by others for many years would be ABSOLUTELY GREAT!  All I would need to do is figure out how to change the link on my website to connect to the site on Family Search.

Thus, again, I ask are you completely sure that my family tree cannot be altered if I upload it through this process to Family Search?

Thank you so much!!

Bruce

Bruce L. Nicholson, Ph.D.

Professor Emeritus
Department of Molecular and Biomedical Sciences
University of Maine
Orono, Maine

Retired and now living in sunny Gold Canyon, Arizona

Personal family history web site: www.brucenicholson.net

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[Alice Gedge]

Bruce,

I placed my sister’s (90,000 + people’s) file there and my smaller one.  There are files there from Pedigree Resource File and Ancestral File and IGI.  There would be no reason to introduce a new file into the FamilySearch Family Tree.  In fact, I tried to import my sister’s file and I received a message from Salt Lake City, asking me to do it one name at a time.  I have been doing it that way for about 10 years.  It is possible, however, if someone finds your file there, to take your information and incorporate it into FamilySearch FamilyTree.  Then hopefully, they would use your file as a source.  But they couldn’t change your file.

 

I believe that you just need to make a Gedcom file and load it.  If you want to e-mail me at adg...@gmail.com, I can walk you through it.  I don’t think I can post images here.

 

Alice Gedge

 

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[Norman Hellmers]

Does anyone know if Ancestry will still support the RootsWeb Freepages?

Such as:

https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~hellmers/family/

     and

https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~wegener/family/wegener_history/

Norman Hellmers

[Charles Dobie]

Norman -- Freepages hasn't been supported for several years. The contents of Freepages websites are still visible but website owners can't update them. I hope your websites are also on your computer because they won't be on-line for much longer.

Chas. Dobie.

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[Stan Follis]

Chas. Dobie.

Freepages can still be updated until sometime in early 2024. I just updated two of my pages a few minutes ago. They will then be archived and remain online as Read-Only.

Read more here:
https://support.rootsweb.com/s/article/Retiring-and-Migrating-Portions-of-RootsWeb

Hosted websites will become read-only beginning in early 2024. At that time, all logins will be disabled, but hosted sites will remain on RootsWeb as static content. Website owners wishing to maintain their sites must migrate to a different hosting provider before 2024.

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[Charles Dobie]

To Norman Hellmers (and others)

My apologies -- for those who have gone through the process of re-establishing control of their Freepages websites after the shutdown about 5 years ago, then they are still accessible and updateable.  I didn't do that, and went the other route by getting my own website domain names, etc.  So what Stan Follis says below is true.

Chas. Dobie.

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[beth.dj...@gmail.com]

It’s unfortunate that Ancestry didn’t propose a reasonable monthly or yearly fee to keep freepages going. I would have been willing to consider paying that given that it would mean I don’t have to move everything elsewhere and would not have to go through the expense of buying a domain and then pay for a hosting service.

 

Opportunity lost Ancestry.

 

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Does anyone know if Ancestry will still support the RootsWeb Freepages?

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[Timothy Stowell]

The real downside of this is how many site owners even know this is coming?

Just posting it on their website saying this does not mean owners would necessarily know about this impending change.

So I have started writing non county, state sites like Gen Societies, Historical, DAR, War unit Societies in the areas of my research to make them aware so they have time to decide what to do.

I know at least one state group is offering space for these folks which is a good neighbor policy.

Tim Stowell 

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[St Joseph Island Historical Society]

It's really unfortunate that so much history may have access lost. We are a very small historical society of 6 to 8 seniors,  many of whom don't even own computers or smartphones, struggling to maintain our history.  We don't have the revenue to maintain a paid site so once I remove ours, it's gone.

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[Charlie Towne]

Why remove it? From the original notice, it'll still be viewable, but not updateable (is that a word?). You might want to tweak it some between now and the end of the year, knowing you won't be able to modify it later. But it what's there now would still be there in the future, not lost.

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[Timothy Stowell]

I see that you folks have a nice Facebook page as well.

Very nice.

Tim Stowell 

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[Bill Walsh]

On 3/6/23 07:44, St Joseph Island Historical Society wrote:
> It's really unfortunate that so much history may have access lost. We
> are a very small historical society of 6 to 8 seniors,  many of whom
> don't even own computers or smartphones, struggling to maintain our
> history.  We don't have the revenue to maintain a paid site so once I
> remove ours, it's gone.

For the foreseeable future at least the information that is there will
not just dissolve into random electrons. If you remove it and have no
place to put it it is gone. Perhaps we won't be able to change anything
but at least our hard work is still available.

Just my $0.02 worth.


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[St Joseph Island Historical Society]

If our site was left on rootsweb, although it can't be updated would the email link still remain and be usable if someone requested information?

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[Charlie Towne]

I don't work for Ancestry, so I don't have any inside info, but I'd be very surprised if email links (and other links) didn't still work, assuming of course the things they link to still exist. I can't imagine why Ancestry would want to go to the trouble of somehow disabling all the links. And if the actual email address were visible, a user could copy and paste it even if the link didn't work.

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[Yvonne Bowers]

Yes, Charlie, I believe so, but after the page sunsets you wouldn’t be able to update that email address or link.  

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[Charlie Towne]

Right, Yvonne, that's part of what I meant by "assuming the things they link to still exist." For an organization, like the St. Joseph Island Historical Society that asked the question, it'd probably be a good idea to also include a physical mailing address that's unlikely to change, if possible.

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[Colin Bye]

Ancestry already appear to "massage" email links. So an email link on
one of my pages appears as

<a
href="/cdn-cgi/l/email-protection#87e4e5b5b4b7b5b5b7b7b2c7e5fee2e6e9e3e5fee2a9e4e8a9f2ecb8f4f2e5ede2e4f3baeee9e3e2ff">Send
Email</a>

rather than

<a href="mailto:.....

This would suggest that they may examine all links.

Colin Bye

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Colin,

does the email link work? It looks like they might be scrambling it so it isn't as easy to scrape the email link from the page. "mailto" is a string that scrapers look for.

Just a thought, beth

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Beth

The link works. I agree it's likely they're trying to stop people
scraping the address.

Colin