Wow I can't believe that important document disappeared - well done on saving a copy, Paola. Thank you
And thanks for opening up the availability of this g-group.
Best
Regina
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Just want to comment on one line in this email, to ensure that credit is given appropriately. (This seems to be a common theme of these emails lately, with Paola complaining about a “only a partial list of the contributors” in a previous communication.) The email below states that “I have proactively volunteered hundreds of hours for over a year (by starting this Group, which has served as the main communication platform for scholars on all matters up t the incorporation of the new entity afaik)”. Actually, it was one of three main communication platforms, the other two being the original Slack workspace and the Discord server set up by John LaRocco.
Of these three, I think the Discord server was the most heavily used considering the period as a whole, with probably hundreds if not thousands of posts by scholars relating to the problems encountered with the original institute and discussing ways forward. The server remains heavily used, although traffic on these topics has reduced significantly since the bylaws group got into full swing. The original Slack workspace was also very heavily used in the early months of last year’s crisis, but postings tailed off sooner on there than on Discord. It has now ceased to operate. (There was also a limited amount of traffic on the Slack workspace that Paola set up, but this was far less than any of the other three channels of communication, mainly because it was intended for discussions of research and similar scholarly purposes – as, indeed, dominates the posts on the Discord server.)
To be fair, Paola does caveat the statement about the group being used as the main communication platform with “afaik”, and she wouldn’t know about these, not having been on either platform since shortly after the crisis hit, so it’s accurate as a statement of her knowledge. But I’d hate for the vast amount of discussion on the other two main platforms to go unacknowledged.
Tom
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Paola
Thanks for this reply. Yes, I remember you encouraging the use of this group for cross posting from the other channels. (Indeed, I see that mention of the other two platforms is still in the footer of emails sent on this group.) Unfortunately, the sheer volume of discussion on Discord would have meant that cross-posting it all, or even a representative sample, would have taken up many, many hours, and I couldn’t spare the time for that.
I accept that Slack had become inaccessible for you when this group was started, but actually for the vast majority of scholars, this was not the case. To my knowledge, very few found themselves unable to access the Slack workspace, and for those few that did, most of them were able to get back on to it after a fairly short period (I seem to recall Keith Tse was one such scholar). It remained in use until it was deactivated in March this year, as described in Keith’s email to this group on 11 March, copied and posted below for reference.
Best wishes
Tom
“Dear all, as you may have noticed, our Slack platform has been deactivated (almost immediately after the announcement of our new bylaws), which is very inconvenient as this used to be the hub of our Ronin community. We have been using Discord for close to a year now (almost immediately after the formal announcement of closure last April), and I rather like it, even though it is not as good as the Slack Premium subscription that we used to have (though it is significantly better than Slack basic which is really quite basic). I believe that US 501(c)3 organisations can enjoy a free subscription of Slack Premium which we may consider for RIIS 2.0. For the time being, if anyone would like to join our Discord server, please contact either me or John LaRocco for a time-sensitive invite link. There are many good discussions on Discord and we hope that as many of our members as possible can participate in them!
Best,
Keith
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Pretty much agree with everything there.
Of course I didn’t have sole responsibility for cross-posting; my point was that the sheer volume of comment on Discord (and in addition on Slack) was a barrier, and the reasons I didn’t cross-post everything applies equally to everyone else using those channels. I think that’s why it was never done at scale. (In fact, I probably did cross-post quite a bit more than most participants in the conversations, partly because I was on all three channels, and tried to keep up to date on them.)
Tom


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Paola,
Your clear narrative, research, and all the work you've done to organize the available information is amazing. Thank you~
Regina
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Hi Allan,
Thank you for the relevant information, I, and I'm sure others, appreciate this.
I think it would help with general transparency to all Scholars, as Paola is calling for, to provide the name of that pro-bono attorney.
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Alain, I would so much rather have scholarly conversations with you and the rest of this group, instead of getting lost in very boring exchangesDont get me wrong, I really appreciate your efforts and everyone's efforts to move this reboot forward, so thank youI feel the cold touch of an invisible hand somewhere that gives me the chillsUnder the current incorporation Councillors do have legal obligation to discharge their duties, including their duties to members, fellows, stakeholders the state and the public and are not liable to adhere to the bylaws, as these have been ignored clearly from the onsetDo you realize, Alain, how much time are we spending on these discussions, and that if we had a logof who took the iincoporate in Califronia decision, when , how was consensus achieved, we could be investing our energies in writing grant proposals :-)But things are so hazy that I suspect you yourself may not be able to see everything what is going on clearly,Ok you ask to be specificI attache two snippets, both from this list April 29 in the first email (snip 2) I asked you 'do you know who paid for the incorporation'You never replied to my question on that thread -Eventually you replied to Regina .*snip 2Your replies says that the bylaws were written by scholars *you probably genuinely did not realise that they had been completely re-written since they had become supposeedly frozen last Feb . 2. That the incorporation was pro bono
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I'd like to add that, while incorporation in California does make individuals on the Board much more difficult to hold legally responsible, that doesn't mean the new Ronin institute was set up in order to commit any sort of hanky-panky.
It does, however, mean it's easier to do so as Paola states.
In light of the other difficulties of incorporating in California, including the very high state taxes with fewer exposure than other states, and lengthy state tax fillings, both of which will necessitate that the In incur the expense of an accountant, I have stated from the very beginning that California was a very poor state to choose guy incorporating. It is extremely unclear why it was chosen when much simpler states, such as South Dakota or Delaware, could have been easily chosen from the start.
Regina
For clarification, I think what Paola is pointing out over and over is that the evolution from the sudden, unprofessional and suspicious closure of the original Ronin institute to where we are now with an entirely new institute which shares the name Ronin has transpired in an very unclear way, and monthly had been put in place to prevent fraud or a similar sudden closure from happening again.
Accountability and open meetings have not happened, instead a small team held meetings and crafted by-laws which we were made to accept and then were changed. The bylaws are confusing and vague. If we have a mission statement, I couldn't tell you what it is. The finances are unclear, the governance is unclear, and whatever benefits the new Ronin institute offers to it's scholars is unclear.
The current self-organized board refused to simply clean up the problems with the original Ronin, which would have left the institute intact - all that was built over more than fifteen years including the website, email history, library, Scholar profiles, scholar groups, and most of all our excellent reputation - all of that was possible to have been preserved.
Instead the new board wanted to sweep everything under the carpet and "start fresh" but with the old name of Ronin, and with even more unclear governance.
Now we have a group but the bylaws are confusing and seemingly unfair as the were frozen but capriciously changed in ways that are either undocumented or difficult to find if documented anywhere.
This new group has an unclear goal and seems to already have scholars who are "in" with a voice and those who who "out" with little or no voice.
This is not the vibrant Ronin Institute I was proud to be a member of but a mushy club right now
I think if we want to move ahead we need to think about the excellent point Paola has made, and make improvements to the structure. I further believe that the old Ronin Institute still needs an investigation of its financial documents, and the grant money and institute account of over 300k (an amount which has been verified several times) which has disappeared needs to be recovered.
IMHO
Regina
With the phrase “the hypothesis of possible puppeteering from people behind the scene may emerge”, I think this hypothesis is being made – if not explicitly, then by insinuation. I don’t get the sense of any sinister motivation, malevolent purposes or nefarious action in the way the new institute is developing, and I don’t think such implications are at all helpful.
However, the questions Paola asks in the first paragraph below are reasonable ones. I’d encourage all interim council members to be completely transparent on such issues and all other scholars to refrain from implying that the interim council are acting with malign intent. We don’t want bad faith on either side to damage the new institute before it’s found its feet.
Tom
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Sent: 24 June 2025 17:21
To: Regina M <toothso...@gmail.com>
Cc: alain tam <alain...@gmail.com>; Tom Lawrence <t...@warpedandbroken.com>; Institute for Independent Scholarship <ronin-s...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Reframing Ronin Document and changes to this G group
Would be interesting to know who decided that RIIS2 was to be incorporated in California, when the decision was made, how consensus was reached on that decision
If the institute is based on the accountability principles. how come
nobody at RIIS will be responsible for anything, including for possible financial fraud or misconduct carried out as part of RIIS ordinary
activities? This is only one of the possible conflicts/contradictions which fellows need to pay attention to
Under the current bylaws RIIS could well become a criminal organisation where nobody can be held responsible for the crimes!
and all thanks to the nice labels that make it look otherwise.
also:
In the current version of the bylaws, these reference a local context document, which is also in the shared folder
This is dated 2022 , any reference/for this document,, where does it come from. in what way was this incorporated in the bylaws? I do not remember seeing this reference in the version of the bylaws that I reviewed earlier this year
There is also a document entitled 'feedback by the attorney' in the shared drive, dated April 2025,
who is the attorney. Who appointed him and who paid for it? Is this the attorney appointed by Alain T was much earlier so I am not sure it is the same attorney. Can this feedback be made available to scholars so that we can all learn what it was about? See screenshot
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With the phrase “the hypothesis of possible puppeteering from people behind the scene may emerge”, I think this hypothesis is being made – if not explicitly, then by insinuation. I don’t get the sense of any sinister motivation, malevolent purposes or nefarious action in the way the new institute is developing, and I don’t think such implications are at all helpful.
However, the questions Paola asks in the first paragraph below are reasonable ones. I’d encourage all interim council members to be completely transparent on such issues and all other scholars to refrain from implying that the interim council are acting with malign intent. We don’t want bad faith on either side to damage the new institute before it’s found its feet.
Sent: 24 June 2025 17:21
To: Regina M <toothso...@gmail.com>
Cc: alain tam <alain...@gmail.com>; Tom Lawrence <t...@warpedandbroken.com>; Institute for Independent Scholarship <ronin-s...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Reframing Ronin Document and changes to this G group
Would be interesting to know who decided that RIIS2 was to be incorporated in California, when the decision was made, how consensus was reached on that decision
If the institute is based on the accountability principles. how come
nobody at RIIS will be responsible for anything, including for possible financial fraud or misconduct carried out as part of RIIS ordinary
activities? This is only one of the possible conflicts/contradictions which fellows need to pay attention to
Under the current bylaws RIIS could well become a criminal organisation where nobody can be held responsible for the crimes!
and all thanks to the nice labels that make it look otherwise.
also:
In the current version of the bylaws, these reference a local context document, which is also in the shared folder
This is dated 2022 , any reference/for this document,, where does it come from. in what way was this incorporated in the bylaws? I do not remember seeing this reference in the version of the bylaws that I reviewed earlier this year
There is also a document entitled 'feedback by the attorney' in the shared drive, dated April 2025,
who is the attorney. Who appointed him and who paid for it? Is this the attorney appointed by Alain T was much earlier so I am not sure it is the same attorney. Can this feedback be made available to scholars so that we can all learn what it was about? See screenshot
😁😁