Saturday Toss or Game (4/23/20) - Welsh park 10:30

[Scott Russell]

Been locked up for far too long without reason and desperately need exercise, anyone up to throw or play on Saturday?  Weather is looking to be good!

For those that are paranoid, before you respond please think about three things:

1.  If you afraid, don't come out.  Simple.

2.  The most important thing in the USA is Liberty, the rest are secondary (https://www.history.com/news/patrick-henrys-liberty-or-death-speech-240-years-ago).

3.  My first amendment right to peaceably assemble trumps your fear.

For those that are at risk (i.e. over 65 or have serious underlying medical conditions), please think twice before coming out.  While your liberty is most important, we are also concerned about your health.

See you Saturday!

Scott

[Sean O'Hara]

In response:

1.  The point of social distancing isn’t simply to stop me from getting infected at that one event.  The purpose is to reduce the rate of infection overall.  Social gatherings, and the potential for increased rate of infection caused by them, creates a larger risk for the population as a whole.  You are placing everyone at a greater risk whether they attend this one event or not.  

2.  Please do not infringe on my liberty by increasing the rate of infection within my community.  The less that we abide by social distancing now, the longer this will last.  Your desire for exercise isn’t even a profound issue like lack of employment / income.  

3.  It does not.  I suspect we both agree that “My right to swing my fist ends at the next man’s nose.”  In this particular instance, your right to assembly must yield to the health of the community as a whole.  In fact, the right to assemble has been construed quite narrowly over the years e.g. free speech zones, permit requirements, etc.  Even constitutional rights are not absolute.

I suggest you go for a run.  Alone. 

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[Steve Van Wagoner]

Thanks for the warning. This 61 year old will pass, less out of fear and certainly not out of paranoia, but more out of common, epidemiological sense. I could be asymptomatic and put you at risk, which I wouldn’t think of doing. There is a reason we are required to wear masks where social distancing isn’t possible - not to protect the wearer, but to prevent the infected person from spreading the virus.

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2440 M Street, 

Suite 429

Washington, DC 20037

202-296-5299

On Apr 23, 2020, at 8:59 PM, Scott Russell <russe...@gmail.com> wrote:



[Scott Russell]

Sean, I am actually embarrassed you might be a fellow American.  Please refer to #1.  Also, I agree with " Your desire for exercise isn’t even a profound issue like lack of employment / income."  Please ruminate on that one for a moment, as people like you have shut America down for over a month now - for what reason and to what consequence?

Steve, you are under 65 and healthy?  I didn't warn you, for the record. The risk you might pose as a carrier I am more than willing to accept, happily, as any healthy American should.  Come on out! 

- Scott

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 10:27:45 PM UTC-4, Steve Van Wagoner wrote:

Thanks for the warning. This 61 year old will pass, less out of fear and certainly not out of paranoia, but more out of common, epidemiological sense. I could be asymptomatic and put you at risk, which I wouldn’t think of doing. There is a reason we are required to wear masks where social distancing isn’t possible - not to protect the wearer, but to prevent the infected person from spreading the virus.

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Steve Van Wagoner, PhD, CGP, FAGPA

2440 M Street, 

Suite 429

Washington, DC 20037

202-296-5299

On Apr 23, 2020, at 8:59 PM, Scott Russell <russe...@gmail.com> wrote:



Been locked up for far too long without reason and desperately need exercise, anyone up to throw or play on Saturday?  Weather is looking to be good!

For those that are paranoid, before you respond please think about three things:

1.  If you afraid, don't come out.  Simple.

2.  The most important thing in the USA is Liberty, the rest are secondary (https://www.history.com/news/patrick-henrys-liberty-or-death-speech-240-years-ago).

3.  My first amendment right to peaceably assemble trumps your fear.

For those that are at risk (i.e. over 65 or have serious underlying medical conditions), please think twice before coming out.  While your liberty is most important, we are also concerned about your health.

See you Saturday!

Scott

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[Hunter Reichard]

I hope no one joins Scott so he can ruminate on the absolute shit hes spewing right now

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[Dan Nunes]

I disagree with branding someone as un-American because they refuse to be selfish about their rights in ways that endanger others.

And to your ask "for what reason and to what consequence"? As a fellow American with family and friends on the front line fighting this virus, sheltering in place is what has kept our hospitals from getting overwhelmed and the death toll from skyrocketing. The fact that things in MD haven't gotten out of control is credit to those who have followed guidance and observed social distancing. That helps minimize any unnecessary further spread among those who have no choice but to go out.

Dan

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[cha...@gmail.com]

Don’t think for one second our community is immune to this threat.  For all the old-timers here, I have to sadly report that Steve Goodwin passed away yesterday.  Possibly from COVID-19.  He is my friend, my ultimate teammate and …. I just can’t find the words right now.

 

This is a shitstorm out here and no one should be out playing.  I can’t believe I have to write this to the group a second time.  It is not un-American to shelter in place.  It is our ethical duty to protect each other.  To selfishly go out to play ultimate and spread the virus does not conform to our sport’s “Spirit of the Game”.  Everyone, please reconsider and don’t go out and play. 

 

Chatkan

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[Steve Van Wagoner]

Chatkan:

I’m saddened by your news and sorry for your loss. Two colleagues and friends of mine in NY nearly lost their lives on ventilators, and another friend’s husband died. Six more colleagues who attended the same NY conference from DC also became very ill (you probably read about one in the Post) from their thirties to their sixties, and two are still recovering 40 days after the fact. This is the first year in 22 that I passed on the conference, only because I was traveling and couldn’t take the time off. I feel like fate smiled on me, and since then I have taken this threat very seriously. I think many of us have to recognize the privilege we have to be able to weather this financially, because there are many who cannot and need our compassion and support.  

Dan, you must worry constantly about your loved ones on the front line. It’s an anxiety we all share who know people who work in hospitals. They are heroes and courageous.

Scott, I do actually love your enthusiasm and I’ll take your correction for the record, but I respectfully decline the invitation. This issue, like so many issues these days, is polarizing. I’m weary of the divisiveness, and that a public health threat would become weaponized politically saddens me. I don’t think one’s patriotism is in question on either side of this shelter in place issue. That disagreements, even passionately held ones, become a test of one’s identity as an American is in many ways at its core - un-American, at least until recent decades. 

One  of my daughters is laid off, but she’s not bitter about requirement to stay at home. Another took a significant cut in salary, but she understands. Maybe they are more understanding because they have parents who can help them out. They’re naturally afraid about things like finances and I know that many in our country are ultimately anxious to care for their families and pay their bills. But we have to resist making this political IMHO. I fervently disagree with you, but you’re still my countryman. 

Steve 

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[Brett Palmer]

Folks,

I agree that playing a game is controversial, but just theowing the disc is, in my opinion, as safe (safer) than turning public doorknobs. Clearly all will be far more than 6 ft apart. I have done that with another group a couple of times. It is very easy to periodically sanitize the discs.

Furthermore, it promises to be a good source of exercise, since we will all be chasing down crappy throws owing to deteriorating skills.

Brett

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[repmo...@gmail.com]

I was a long-ago teammate of Steve Goodwin and am sad to learn of his passing.  Thanks for letting us know. 

Especially if there’s a breeze, I think a careful non-ultimate toss fits within the consensus expert guidance.  By careful I mean things like small numbers, vigilantly maintaining distance (even considering wind direction), face masking, and hand and disc sanitizing. 

But I would do this rather than run alone partly for the socializing, and frankly I’d rather not socialize with anyone who thinks collective action to curb a pandemic is an undue infringement on liberty.  I see that cleat below; if it fits you, wear it. For others, I don’t think this should be organized as a one-location, large-group event, so — if you want to toss with me (respecting the above guidelines) around 11 tomorrow morning or later, please write to me directly (or call/text 301-633-8517).  

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[David Pomper]

Go horizontal in peace, Steve.

From

https://hotsaucersultimate.wordpress.com/2016/04/26/the-40th-anniversary-reunion-saga/  

[Krishnan Balakrishnan]

O COVID- Where art thou?

To have the sun on your back
To have the grass so green it makes you smile
To have friends jostling for position to accept and defend your pass
To feel like my dog when he sticks his nose out the car and SMILES.
In short, Life is good. Ultimate divine!

But What if...
I cannot control my fear of the unseen-
And constantly doubt myself as asymptomatic
Watching my hands touch my face in absent thought
And cursing myself that I have not learned the new behaviors

n-COVID19 Come Out, Come Out... Wherever you are!
Grant me the ability to test myself multiple times a day-
And until then, The wisdom to know
I cannot play Ultimate for a while.

-Krishnan

(with apologies to R.Niebuhr and A.Pope)  

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[Kaitlin M Khoury]

Hey Rockville. I would not normally make any comment in a discussion such as this. Lives lost are always cause for sorrow. I do want to submit for your perusal the below excerpt from an essay by Charles Eisenstein, the rest of which may be read here. The extremity of these times causes me to wonder, what in what kind of world do we wish to live, moving forward?

I can't wait to see you all again on the field!

Katie

I heard this story last week from a friend. She was in a grocery store and saw a woman sobbing in the aisle. Flouting social distancing rules, she went to the woman and gave her a hug. “Thank you,” the woman said, “that is the first time anyone has hugged me for ten days.”

Going without hugs for a few weeks seems a small price to pay if it will stem an epidemic that could take millions of lives. Initially, the argument for social distancing was that it would save millions of lives by preventing a sudden surge of Covid cases from overwhelming the medical system. Now the authorities tell us that some social distancing may need to continue indefinitely, at least until there is an effective vaccine. I would like to put that argument in a larger context, especially as we look to the long term. Lest we institutionalize distancing and reengineer society around it, let us be aware of what choice we are making and why.

The same goes for the other changes happening around the coronavirus epidemic. Some commentators have observed how it plays neatly into an agenda of totalitarian control. A frightened public accepts abridgments of civil liberties that are otherwise hard to justify, such as the tracking of everyone’s movements at all times, forcible medical treatment, involuntary quarantine, restrictions on travel and the freedom of assembly, censorship of what the authorities deem to be disinformation, suspension of habeas corpus, and military policing of civilians. Many of these were underway before Covid-19; since its advent, they have been irresistible. The same goes for the automation of commerce; the transition from participation in sports and entertainment to remote viewing; the migration of life from public to private spaces; the transition away from place-based schools toward online education, the destruction of small business, the decline of brick-and-mortar stores, and the movement of human work and leisure onto screens. Covid-19 is accelerating preexisting trends, political, economic, and social.

While all the above are, in the short term, justified on the grounds of flattening the curve (the epidemiological growth curve), we are also hearing a lot about a “new normal”; that is to say, the changes may not be temporary at all. Since the threat of infectious disease, like the threat of terrorism, never goes away, control measures can easily become permanent. If we were going in this direction anyway, the current justification must be part of a deeper impulse. I will analyze this impulse in two parts: the reflex of control, and the war on death. Thus understood, an initiatory opportunity emerges, one that we are seeing already in the form of the solidarity, compassion, and care that Covid-19 has inspired.

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[John Vetrano]

My $0.02;

I am not “frightened” and that is not why I am practicing social distancing. I do not lock my house door at night because of “fear”. I do not buckle my safety belt while driving because I am frightened. I do not drive at a reasonable speed because I am frightened. I do these things because I read the numbers and understand what experts tell me about what happens when you crash at high speed without a safety belt and how kinetic energy increases with the square of velocity (and therefore how much others can be harmed). Then I do what is reasonable to me to protect myself, fellow citizens, and others I love (like my wife, who has underlying conditions that would make her more susceptible).

I have just seen this characterized as “fear” and wanted to push back on that. I am not living or reacting in fear. I am being rational and can logically and consistently justify my actions. I would be more likely to characterize those who are worried about “liberty” and “freedom: as having a more irrational and unfounded fear.

Just my view; I am a scientist but not an epidemiologist so take it with a grain of salt! 😀

All that said, I am missing playing the game I love and seeing all the wonderful people who also play. Even if we disagree 🥰🥰

Cheers,
JV

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[Jeremy]

As a theoretical libertarian, my heart is with you Scott.  But my head is keeping me away from everyone.

In other news, I bought a dozen golf disc drivers a couple months ago.  Every few days I head to the soccer field at the elementary school at the end of our street.  I stand with my back at one goal and see how many goals I can score each round.  Its not running, but it does work up a sweat after 10 or 20 rounds.

-Jeremy

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[Tyler B]

I’ll come out to throw or play tomorrow. If I can, have worked every weekend for the past month making sure ventilators get to the right place at the right time. Things are easing up quite a bit though so might get tomorrow off.

We can debate all day long how much of a threat COVID-19 is to the elderly and the obese, but the data is clear it is a minuscule threat to people under 60 and zero threat to those under 20.

Will I be selfish enough when I am older (and fatter) to demand the country shut down to possibly make me a little safer? I sure hope not. At least, I won’t demand others change their lives just to protect mine. I will simply change what I do and enjoy every moment.

Best,

Tyler

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Thanks for your ventilator-related service. Nonzero covid deaths by age at: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

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I’ll come out to throw or play tomorrow. If I can, have worked every weekend for the past month making sure ventilators get to the right place at the right time. Things are easing up quite a bit though so might get tomorrow off.

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[Tyler B]

Thank you David. And, you are right, I rounded but should have been more specific. 3 deaths divided by 10,000,000 estimated infected under age 20 in USA = 0.00003%. Or thereabouts. # infected will go up with more serological testing. >90% infected so far have zero symptoms. Correction: very, very, very few symptoms.

[Charles Yu]

Soooo...you can still spread it even if you’re asymptomatic. 

Now...when I’m older, will I be so selfish to demand that others change their lifestyles if something like this happens again? No, but I hope that the people who are less vulnerable wouldn’t be so selfish as to put me at risk, either. I’ll just leave it at that.

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 9:55 PM Tyler B <tub...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you David. And, you are right, I rounded but should have been more specific. 3 deaths divided by 10,000,000 estimated infected under age 20 in USA = 0.00003%. Or thereabouts. # infected will go up with more serological testing. >90% infected so far have zero symptoms.  Correction:  very, very, very few symptoms. 

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[Scott Russell]

Kaitlin, thank you for the link. I read the entire thing, very good
and thoughtful. My favorite quote, "The virus we face here is fear".

To those that came out, had a good time, thank you. Looking forward to
this Saturday. A few more and we might have a game!

[Charles Yu]

Between this and our tendency to play through injuries and lightning and our penchant for destroying fields, we really are the dumbest group of athletes.

We have public basketball courts and soccer fields near my house. No groups have gathered there for weeks- only a few solo workouts and the occasional family.

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[Andrew Nguyen]

This is why no one will take ultimate seriously because we can't take the world seriously. 

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[Jeremy]

Speaking of injuries, I wonder what will happen when we call come back and go from zero to 100% too quickly...like most of us will...because we're idiots.

I continue to play "disc golf drive soccer goal penalty shots" at our local elementary school.  It's a blast.  I highly recommend it, even with ulti discs.  I introduced a running component on Chatkan's suggestion .  It's not nearly as intense as what he does but it's far more intense than the "10 Meter Trudge to the Fridge to Get More Doritos" I had been doing.

-Jeremy   

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[Charles Yu]

My takeaway from this is that Jeremy puts Doritos in the fridge for some reason.

[Jeremy]

Haha!  Damn. I meant pantry.  That said, I'm pretty cheap so I've been putting almost everything in the fridge to make sure it doesn't got bad.

-Jeremy

[Daniel Gibson]

This made me LOL

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[Michael Bale]

It should be noted that

1. Gatherings of 10 or more people are not lawful at the moment

2. Gatherings against cdc guidelines of social distancing are also not lawful (which includes ultimate frisbee)

Go for a run, toss a frisbee into a soccer net, exercise at home, but don’t be silly and risk exposing you and others to this virus.

Michael J. Bale

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[Marc Sorini]

😂

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[Dan Nunes]

Frisbee had been a near-daily part of my routine prior to covid. I came across this short clip today that made me feel a little better about continuing to sit out:

(link in case I can't copy properly: https://static.dezeen.com/uploads/2020/03/the-spinoff-toby-morris-siouxsie-wiles-design-graphics-illustration-coronavirus_dezeen_1704_col_1.gif)

Dan

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[Scott Russell]

It should be noted that:

1. In the USA? That is beyond sad. I expect that in China or Cuba.
Hell, we chide them for it. But the USA? Can't be...
2. Including gatherings on public grounds or my private home? That is,
un-American. By definition. Marx would be proud.

Out of curiosity, I read the Sunday WAPO obituaries. At a time of
hyper COVID-19 sensitivity, there were 94 or so deaths reported, but
only 6 because of COVID. The average age of those COVID deaths? 90.
The youngest was 80, the oldest 95. Almost all in nursing homes. Look
it up if you don't believe me. There is no "stopping" this virus, some
very old and extremely obese will die, regardless. The rest of us are
extremely safe, especially the kids. We have been duped folks.

I will be there Saturday, as we all love a good protest, especially
one that actually has a cause - right? Hell, I might even bring a six
pack of beer with me and wear my Pussyhat
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pussyhat).

Oh the horror.

[Andrew Nguyen]

Playing ultimate shouldn't be a protest. Leave ultimate separate front protesting please. 

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[Charles Yu]

It’s really funny that the people who love to wrap themselves in the constitution and yell about their rights often are the ones who know the least about it.

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[cmul...@gmail.com]

Where is the block button? I'm so tired of you pointing out anecdotal bullshit. Saying its unamerican to be mildly inconvenienced for a few weeks to help protect people is some of the most selfish bullshit I have ever read.

 Do us all a favor and stop spamming this group with this shit.

- Muller

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> It should be noted that
> 1. Gatherings of 10 or more people are not lawful at the moment
> 2. Gatherings against cdc guidelines of social distancing are also not lawful (which includes ultimate frisbee)
>
>
> Go for a run, toss a frisbee into a soccer net, exercise at home, but don’t be silly and risk exposing you and others to this virus.
>
> Michael J. Bale
>
> On Apr 27, 2020, at 22:24, Andrew Nguyen  wrote:
>
> 
> This is why no one will take ultimate seriously because we can't take the world seriously.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020, 9:46 PM Charles Yu  wrote:
>>
>> Between this and our tendency to play through injuries and lightning and our penchant for destroying fields, we really are the dumbest group of athletes.
>>
>> We have public basketball courts and soccer fields near my house. No groups have gathered there for weeks- only a few solo workouts and the occasional family.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 9:40 PM Scott Russell  wrote:
>>>
>>> Kaitlin, thank you for the link. I read the entire thing, very good
>>> and thoughtful. My favorite quote, "The virus we face here is fear".
>>>
>>> To those that came out, had a good time, thank you. Looking forward to
>>> this Saturday. A few more and we might have a game!
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:51 PM Kaitlin M Khoury  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hey Rockville. I would not normally make any comment in a discussion such as this. Lives lost are always cause for sorrow. I do want to submit for your perusal the below excerpt from an essay by Charles Eisenstein, the rest of which may be read here. The extremity of these times causes me to wonder, what in what kind of world do we wish to live, moving forward?
>>> >
>>> > I can't wait to see you all again on the field!
>>> >
>>> > Katie
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I heard this story last week from a friend. She was in a grocery store and saw a woman sobbing in the aisle. Flouting social distancing rules, she went to the woman and gave her a hug. “Thank you,” the woman said, “that is the first time anyone has hugged me for ten days.”
>>> >
>>> > Going without hugs for a few weeks seems a small price to pay if it will stem an epidemic that could take millions of lives. Initially, the argument for social distancing was that it would save millions of lives by preventing a sudden surge of Covid cases from overwhelming the medical system. Now the authorities tell us that some social distancing may need to continue indefinitely, at least until there is an effective vaccine. I would like to put that argument in a larger context, especially as we look to the long term. Lest we institutionalize distancing and reengineer society around it, let us be aware of what choice we are making and why.
>>> >
>>> > The same goes for the other changes happening around the coronavirus epidemic. Some commentators have observed how it plays neatly into an agenda of totalitarian control. A frightened public accepts abridgments of civil liberties that are otherwise hard to justify, such as the tracking of everyone’s movements at all times, forcible medical treatment, involuntary quarantine, restrictions on travel and the freedom of assembly, censorship of what the authorities deem to be disinformation, suspension of habeas corpus, and military policing of civilians. Many of these were underway before Covid-19; since its advent, they have been irresistible. The same goes for the automation of commerce; the transition from participation in sports and entertainment to remote viewing; the migration of life from public to private spaces; the transition away from place-based schools toward online education, the destruction of small business, the decline of brick-and-mortar stores, and the movement of human work and leisure onto screens. Covid-19 is accelerating preexisting trends, political, economic, and social.
>>> >
>>> > While all the above are, in the short term, justified on the grounds of flattening the curve (the epidemiological growth curve), we are also hearing a lot about a “new normal”; that is to say, the changes may not be temporary at all. Since the threat of infectious disease, like the threat of terrorism, never goes away, control measures can easily become permanent. If we were going in this direction anyway, the current justification must be part of a deeper impulse. I will analyze this impulse in two parts: the reflex of control, and the war on death. Thus understood, an initiatory opportunity emerges, one that we are seeing already in the form of the solidarity, compassion, and care that Covid-19 has inspired.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM Krishnan Balakrishnan  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> O COVID- Where art thou?
>>> >>
>>> >> To have the sun on your back
>>> >> To have the grass so green it makes you smile
>>> >> To have friends jostling for position to accept and defend your pass
>>> >> To feel like my dog when he sticks his nose out the car and SMILES.
>>> >> In short, Life is good. Ultimate divine!
>>> >>
>>> >> But What if...
>>> >> I cannot control my fear of the unseen-
>>> >> And constantly doubt myself as asymptomatic
>>> >> Watching my hands touch my face in absent thought
>>> >> And cursing myself that I have not learned the new behaviors
>>> >>
>>> >> n-COVID19 Come Out, Come Out... Wherever you are!
>>> >> Grant me the ability to test myself multiple times a day-
>>> >> And until then, The wisdom to know
>>> >> I cannot play Ultimate for a while.
>>> >>
>>> >> -Krishnan
>>> >> (with apologies to R.Niebuhr and A.Pope)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 11:52 PM  wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Don’t think for one second our community is immune to this threat.  For all the old-timers here, I have to sadly report that Steve Goodwin passed away yesterday.  Possibly from COVID-19.  He is my friend, my ultimate teammate and …. I just can’t find the words right now.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> This is a shitstorm out here and no one should be out playing.  I can’t believe I have to write this to the group a second time.  It is not un-American to shelter in place.  It is our ethical duty to protect each other.  To selfishly go out to play ultimate and spread the virus does not conform to our sport’s “Spirit of the Game”.  Everyone, please reconsider and don’t go out and play.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Chatkan
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> From: rockul...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan Nunes
>>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 11:13 PM
>>> >>> To: Scott Russell 
>>> >>> Cc: Rockville Ultimate 

[Joe Lai]

Pretty sure they are a troll. Joined group 5 days ago and immediately starts this stupid thread. Barefoot Joe needs to kick this person from the list.

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[John Vetrano]

Someone apparently needs to revisit The Spirit of the Game text.

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> On Apr 28, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Scott Russell <russe...@gmail.com> wrote:
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[Charles Yu]

I was wondering about that- not a name I’ve heard, not on social media...

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[cmul...@gmail.com]

Good call, no clue who they are. Ill stop feeding the troll.

[Joseph Huang]

I banned him. You are allowed to disagree with each other but please don't call other people communist or unamerican for simply having a different opinion.

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[Jeremy]

Oh yeah!

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[William Davis]

cold

cool ranch

Doritos!!!

who would have thought?

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