Let’s talk: 1 Up USA, Quickr Racks

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I am no longer a minivan driver. The old gal gave up the ghost and I replaced her with a Kia Telluride (Leah’s Kia!). I’ve got an appt to have a hitch installed Aug 12, and meanwhile am handwringing about racks. I have a Saris Freedom 4 bike rack that I really liked. But it’s full of plastic pieces, which are beginning to fail, AND the rack doesn’t play well with all vehicles. My husband’s Jeep Gladiator has a bumper that interferes with the rack being in the folded position. I won’t know how it fits with the Telluride until I get that hitch.

So, I’ve been looking into racks that will work with fendered, racked bikes. There are no perfect options, only options that *might* work. I emailed RivSister Joyce, who has fendered, racked Rivs and a 1Up rack and she said something interesting. She likes her 1Up, but also, the makers split and there’s another company out there making a similar rack with improvements. 

Well!

I did some sleuthing and found this: https://web.archive.org/web/20210212153807/https://www.1upusahistory.com/https://web.archive.org/web/20210212153807/https://www.1upusahistory.com/https://web.archive.org/web/20210212153807/https://www.1upusahistory.com/

And then I went to their website: https://quikrstuff.com

I think the Quikr racks look really, really fantastic. They just cost a MINT. I’m wondering if any of you have heard of them and/or have one. I really need a good option in my back pocket for when this Saris fails or when I discover it hits into the back of my Telluride. 

If nothing else, this is an interesting discussion because there are a lot of 1Up fans here and if the article is true, that’s pretty despicable behavior on the one guy’s part…

Leah

[Steven Sweedler]

Leah, a friend bought one of these racks after extensive research and couldn’t be happier. He uses it for an array of bikes with and without fenders and suspension, he continues to rave about it. 

Steven Sweedler
Plymouth, New Hampshire

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[Brian Turner]

I’m probably going to be the only one here to recommend a Küat NV 2.0, because I know this group has thoroughly lauded the 1UP racks many times over… but please take my 4 years of experience with this rack for what it’s worth.

While they are very well-built racks with nice features (and MUSA is a plus), as an owner of several bikes with metal fenders and racks, I simply do not like the way the arms on 1UP racks clamp down on fendered bikes. Yes, I know they make a little foam spacer, but the arm still has to ratchet down and put pressure on your fenders, and I can’t see a little foam padding doing much to prevent potential deformation of a fender. One of my best friends has a 1UP that he loves for all his other bikes *except* for his racked and fendered bike, and he readily admits it to me despite being such a 1UP fan.

The NV 2.0 uses a ratcheting swing arm for the front, and a ratcheting rear wheel strap, so you don’t have to clamp anything down on your fenders. I put a couple of extra Voile straps on each wheel and around the tray of the rack just for extra security.

I have possibly THE longest Riv possible, with the exception of say, an XL Gus. My 54cm medium Gus, with a 50” wheelbase fits just fine and secure on my Küat because 50” is the max. wheelbase… and I’ve carried a 55cm Playtpus that fits perfectly (so there’s your confirmation in that respect).

The built-in cable locks are also a very nice feature. I carry two fendered bikes nearly 900 miles to FL and back 4-5 times each year, and have never had any issues or felt like they were insecure at all.

Brian 

Lex KY

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[Johnny Alien]

I don't think the quikrstuff is a vast improvement over 1UP so I went with 1UP based on reviews and money. That was just based on functionality not ethics of the company. I like to support companies that aren't sketchy so I am really interested in what that archived article says. The link isn't working for me.

[eddietheflay]

Here's a Quikr demo of an ebike with fenders and a rack. I know we're not talking ebikes here but some of the issues prob apply to your normal bike with fenders and rack: https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=ac57164e41e9010e&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ADLYWILR16mc0d4NuTFXlUYgnfbMkhoR7A:1722342812906&q=Quikr+Rack&tbm=vid&source=lnms&fbs=AEQNm0BglSNKPbDQcL4Et01QEIYvJ5VGsHgUL_tsKqYywhWXkknveTpaLEIQiU02u5i1FK5Aui8Lbcs6UtNG0K_ZRX5_Sfaez_nbio7ZevU-01UapAjSv2wQk2-mAIavlPl_IkQ9yjJrEAWBuJoPLi7CJPLOGmXJAB-cC9hSF3CAeTg0OrmMoOkp_LJE5lRf15vrfQGVTuGVYB7nO8MG0W7JENMvjGyviA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjAva384s6HAxWyKUQIHRtWDr0Q0pQJegQIFxAB&biw=1422&bih=621&dpr=1.35#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:cc99a11e,vid:H9848h70rrY,st:0

[Doug H.]

The move from a minivan to an SUV was bittersweet for my wife and me. My wife's Highlander is more stylish and "hip" but it also meant my sons were growing up...now grown. I do plan to get a rack soon too so am following this thread with interest.

Doug

[J J]

I looked into 1Up and Quikr racks very seriously last fall. I like how they looked and construction quality seems great. 

Echoing Lex's points, their design and functionality are inherently unfriendly for bikes with fenders, which most of my bikes have. I've spent way too much time fretting over, adjusting and fine tuning fender installations to risk messing up the delicate lines with a foam hack that necessarily crushes against the fenders to secure the bike. That categorically ruled out these good looking racks. (I also did not appreciate the long lead time — currently seven weeks — for the Quikr racks or the fact that they require full payment when ordering instead of when they ship. They do this partly on the basis that they are still a "startup" after years of being in business.)  

I finally settled on a Thule EasyFold XT for a few reasons. It uses a ratcheted wheel strap system with frame holders that are super secure. It is friendly to bikes with fenders. And it is overbuilt for my needs — a good thing — with a weight capacity of 130 pounds. The most it would carry with two of my bikes (say, two Hunqapillars) is 55 to 80 pounds, depending on how they are outfitted, but it would usually be less than that because all of our other bikes are lighter. I like that the rack has capacity overhead. I also supplement the wheel straps with additional straps to be extra careful. 

Securing bikes to it is a quick, easy process after a couple of practice tries. It is a heavy rack, though it does have built-in wheels for easy-ish transport. I don't know how well super long wheelbase Rivs would fit on it. And it is limited to two bikes. 

It's worth checking out the EasyFold if the criteria I've outlined here align with yours. 

Jim

[eddietheflay]

With a 1up you can ratchet the front arm onto your front tire tight enough so that it pretty much holds the bike steady with just that one arm. And then use the foam fender protected arm on the back wheel as a less pressurized steadying force.

[Sally Bidleman]

We have the Kuat 2.0 NV (45 Clem and 50 Platy). It's a great one! We use it on our Subaru Crosstrek. (Brian, you're not alone!)

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[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

That video was VERY helpful, Eddietheflay. 

Yes, there doesn’t appear to be a perfect rack for our type of bikes and it comes down to choosing the one that gets most of the wishlist and the compromises that irritate you the least. For me, I have 3 Rivendells and I want to be able to take all three if need be. So, I’ve gotta have a 3 bike rack that caters to LWB, fendered bikes. There are a few workarounds for both 1Up and Quickr that should allow fendered bikes to be safely carried. I just wish I wasn’t having to discover them. I did find a helpful discussion about fendered bikes in the company FAQs: https://quikrstuff.com/faqs/

But how to get around a $1700 price tag and 7 week wait…

L

[J J]

@Brian in Lex KY — sorry I referred to you by your city name!! 

[Brian Turner]

Watched the Quickr rack video and I have to say, all of his gripes (aside from the ramp feature for super heavy eBikes) are non-existant with the Kuat NV Base 2.0. The reviewer mentioned not liking how the bike sways back and forth, and he uses a Voile strap for extra peace of mind - well, you don't get that sway with the Kuat, and I only use additional Voile straps as a failsafe in the unlikely event that either the swing arm or cam strap failed (anything can happen I guess).

Again, if the important thing is traveling with racked and fendered bikes that have less than 50 inch wheelbases (this is every Riv model except Large and XL Gus), I would highly recommend giving the Kuat NV Base 2.0 a serious consideration. Here's my personal list of PROS in no particular order:

- Made in USA

- Excellent customer service

- No wait times as long as you can find a dealer near you (many bikes shops are Kuat dealers)

- Expandable bike capacity (up to 4 bikes max.)

- All operations can be controlled with a single hand, or with the help of the foot pedal

- Secure, fender and rack-friendly front swing arm

- Fender-friendly rear wheel cam strap (you get an extra one with the rack, too)

- built-in, keyed cable locks for each bike tray

- Optional work stand accessory (comes standard on the NV 2.0)

- 3rd party accessory brake lighting available (I purchased one from Kody Technologies)

- lower profile than the chunkier 1UP and Quickr models

- much lower MSRP ($800)

The only CON I can think of is there are some plastic pieces on the Kuat, whereas I believe the other racks are all metal... if that factor is important to you.

Brian

Lex KY

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[Brian Forsee]

My understanding was Kuat's haven't been made in USA for awhile. Years back i was excited about the prospect of buying a rack made in my state of MO but then they outsourced their manufacturing. Maybe things have changed since i looked into it last.

Brian

[Leah Peterson]

Ok ok! Let me go watch the Kuat videos.

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[Leah Peterson]

Brian, I’m one video in and already see a major problem with the Kuat. I have a front fender - how is that arm not going to interfere with it? And look how close it sits to the brake in the video. Yikes. And then the reviewer goes on to show his major complaint, but by then I think the rack is already ruled out for me since I have that front fender. But wait…you have fendered bikes. How are you using the Kuat without damaging the front fenders? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZAa27a1JNI

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[Brian Turner]

Brian Forsee - thank you for the correction. They are currently only based in the USA. I purchased my in early 2020, so I'm not sure if mine was made in the USA or overseas.

Brian

Lex KY

[eddietheflay]

Generally if you are into Riv bikes you prob have an association with aesthetics in your bikes...and maybe in your car. I do think Kuats look ugly and clunky when on the car without bikes loaded. Way not so much 1Up. The simplicity of the 1Up adds to its beauty. A fine piece of useful engineering.

[Brian Turner]

Leah - if you continue watching the video, you will see that the reviewer does exactly as I (and others) have said we do by adding extra Voile straps around each wheel where they sit in the tray. Even in the Quickr video the guy says he does that for extra security. In the case of the Kuat rack, the extra Voile strap really does cut down on any movement caused by normal driving around. Here's what I do: tighten the bike down normally with the built-in swing arm (front) and cam strap (rear). Then, I add a Voile strap tightly around the front wheel and front wheel cradle, and another Voile strap around the rear wheel and tray (right next to the cam strap). Then, I further tighten the swing arm and cam strap for good measure. With any rack, you want to make sure you tighten everything down as tight as possible to help prevent the bike from moving or bouncing around.

To address your other concern, yes, I use my Kuat front swing arm just fine with front fenders. I just make sure I position it about 1/2" away from the front edge of the fender so that it tightens down on the tire, and not the fender. I've hauled fendered bikes to and from Kentucky / Florida about 5 times a year for the past 4 years with no issues whatsoever. You really can't go wrong with either rack - they are both excellent, but for me, I felt confident that the Kuat would work best with fendered and racked bikes, and I still think I made the better call. If I only had mtn bikes, or heavy eBikes, or bikes with no fenders, then perhaps I would've chosen the 1UP.

Brian

Lex KY

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[Sally Bidleman]

 Kuat 2.0 NV with our 2 fendered bikes. We don't use extra straps and have hit a few big potholes...so far, so solid!

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[Leah Peterson]

Brian, oh, I see. Ok, if you can push the front wheel’s arm down that would work! 

Sally, yay! You proved it with pics and that setup looks great!!!!! 

Back to the drawing board!

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[Brian Turner]

Here’s the two fendered bikes we transport the most with the Küat. You can see where I place the Voile straps for extra security.

[George Schick]

Whatever rack you decide to purchase be sure to smear on a goodly amount of anti-seize lubricant before inserting it into the Reese hitch that you're having installed.  You're living in the rust belt now and just one Winter of road salt can rust that rack into the hitch so badly that you'd need a lot of PB Blaster and a big hammer to get it loose.

[Johnny Alien]

When it comes to rack I am of the "less plastic the better" mindset.

[eddietheflay]

If you scroll down in this thread to the photos it shows a fendered bike and an interesting way to lock the back wheel below the bottom of the rear fender...and still mostly using the intended force of the rack's rear ratcheting arm:

https://forums.electricbikereview.com/threads/platform-bike-rack-for-bike-with-fenders.39502/#post-396951

[Chris Halasz]

Leah - thank you for starting this thread! 

We are in the market for a rack, and a car bigger than our Honda Fit to go with the rack, for transporting our bikes around! 

I'm surprised there's no discussion on Hollywood Racks, favored over the 1Up by of many of our friends. I understand the Hollywood Racks fold and stow nicely, which is important to us. Our criteria: Fits a big Clem with mid-40mmish tires, and folds up nicely for garage storage.

Here's Henry, who started the company back in 1971, about as BOBish as one can be: 

And a shot of a 1973 design, but I don't think this will convince my wife to reconsider some mini SUV for a sleeker auto.  

Seriously, appreciate if any on the RBW list have investigated these. They, the 1Up, and the Kuats are on our short list. 

 

Here's the Hollywood Trail Rider Hitch Bike Rack installation video. They've been around fifty years. No affiliation! 

- Chris 

[Leah Peterson]



Hi Chris! I had a Hollywood rack and while it did fold up and store nicely, it was awkward to leave on the vehicle. It didn’t tilt down and was a bit flimsy. It stuck out well behind the van. I noticed one day it looked bent (maybe someone hit it in the parking lot?) and I tossed it because I was scared it was compromised. Maybe the new ones are better? This was in 2013 or so, when I bought mine. 

I leave my rack on the vehicle for riding season. I ride club rides Mon, Tues, and Fridays and it’s too hard to put on and take off racks all week. Which is what I’m forced to do now because I’m using my husband’s truck until I get my own hitch installed. So a Hollywood rack isn’t ideal for me.

George: I won’t let it seize in there. I will take the rack off periodically and for good during winter. So I should just apply something to the inside of the hitch for winter? Like what? WD 40?

Leah

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Leah - thank you for starting this thread! 

We are in the market for a rack, and a car bigger than our Honda Fit to go with the rack, for transporting our bikes around! 

I'm surprised there's no discussion on Hollywood Racks, favored over the 1Up by of many of our friends. I understand the Hollywood Racks fold and stow nicely, which is important to us. Our criteria: Fits a big Clem with mid-40mmish tires, and folds up nicely for garage storage.

Here's Henry, who started the company back in 1971, about as BOBish as one can be: 

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And a shot of a 1973 design, but I don't think this will convince my wife to reconsider some mini SUV for a sleeker auto.  

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Seriously, appreciate if any on the RBW list have investigated these. They, the 1Up, and the Kuats are on our short list. 

 

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Here's the Hollywood Trail Rider Hitch Bike Rack installation video. They've been around fifty years. No affiliation! 

- Chris 

On Tuesday, July 30, 2024 at 3:13:00 PM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote:

If you scroll down in this thread to the photos it shows a fendered bike and an interesting way to lock the back wheel below the bottom of the rear fender...and still mostly using the intended force of the rack's rear ratcheting arm:

https://forums.electricbikereview.com/threads/platform-bike-rack-for-bike-with-fenders.39502/#post-396951

On Tuesday, July 30, 2024 at 2:46:34 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

When it comes to rack I am of the "less plastic the better" mindset.

On Tuesday, July 30, 2024 at 4:44:22 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

Whatever rack you decide to purchase be sure to smear on a goodly amount of anti-seize lubricant before inserting it into the Reese hitch that you're having installed.  You're living in the rust belt now and just one Winter of road salt can rust that rack into the hitch so badly that you'd need a lot of PB Blaster and a big hammer to get it loose.

On Tuesday, July 30, 2024 at 5:50:57 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

I am no longer a minivan driver. The old gal gave up the ghost and I replaced her with a Kia Telluride (Leah’s Kia!). I’ve got an appt to have a hitch installed Aug 12, and meanwhile am handwringing about racks. I have a Saris Freedom 4 bike rack that I really liked. But it’s full of plastic pieces, which are beginning to fail, AND the rack doesn’t play well with all vehicles. My husband’s Jeep Gladiator has a bumper that interferes with the rack being in the folded position. I won’t know how it fits with the Telluride until I get that hitch.

So, I’ve been looking into racks that will work with fendered, racked bikes. There are no perfect options, only options that *might* work. I emailed RivSister Joyce, who has fendered, racked Rivs and a 1Up rack and she said something interesting. She likes her 1Up, but also, the makers split and there’s another company out there making a similar rack with improvements. 

Well!

I did some sleuthing and found this: https://web.archive.org/web/20210212153807/https://www.1upusahistory.com/https://web.archive.org/web/20210212153807/https://www.1upusahistory.com/https://web.archive.org/web/20210212153807/https://www.1upusahistory.com/

And then I went to their website: https://quikrstuff.com

I think the Quikr racks look really, really fantastic. They just cost a MINT. I’m wondering if any of you have heard of them and/or have one. I really need a good option in my back pocket for when this Saris fails or when I discover it hits into the back of my Telluride. 

If nothing else, this is an interesting discussion because there are a lot of 1Up fans here and if the article is true, that’s pretty despicable behavior on the one guy’s part…

Leah

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[MoVelo]

Leah

I've had pretty good luck with an older version of this Yakima. 

https://yakima.com/products/holdup?_ga=2.210927765.10671983.1722392489-1425159532.1722392489&_gac=1.228779502.1722392489.CjwKCAjwnqK1BhBvEiwAi7o0XyWHy_-rfF8Y0_IUJSOwI8XihOE_So_voglPh2ybwYILguESteC4vRoCG6IQAvD_BwE

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[Patrick Moore]

Speaking of old but well designed bike racks, I once bought one very second hand that strapped to the trunk lid of a sedan -- to sides and bottom lip of trunk lid -- and carried I think 2 bikes with front wheels removed and fork dropouts clamped to a forward clamp. The rear wheels strapped to cups at the other end of the device. The bikes rode fore-and-aft with rear wheels over the end of the trunk but high enough to be safe from being rear ended. You could still lift the trunk lid with the rack attached (in fact, with the bike/s attached, tho' the weight made it awkward).

I daresay you could have strapped this to the rear hatch of a hatchback or minivan (I don't do SUVs) to carry the bikes more vertically but I never tried this.

Does anyone know who made these?

[George Schick]

WD-40 will do it.  If you apply a coating of an anti-seize lubricant to the inside edges of the Reese hitch, it'll work too.

[George Schick]

Patrick - I used to have a rack that worked pretty much exactly as you describe back in the mid-90's. Can't remember the manf. though.  A Saris maybe?  Don't think it was a Thule.  But I used it on an old Mitsubishi Galant and it worked fine. Can't see how it would've worked on an SUV, though.

[Brian Turner]

Sounds like those Saris “Bones” trunk racks. I had one when I was in college in the mid-90s. It was fine for my Gary Fisher back then, but I don’t think I would trust it for any of my bikes these days :)

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Patrick - I used to have a rack that worked pretty much exactly as you describe back in the mid-90's. Can't remember the manf. though.  A Saris maybe?  Don't think it was a Thule.  But I used it on an old Mitsubishi Galant and it worked fine. Can't see how it would've worked on an SUV, though.

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[George Schick]

If "bones" refers to that 3"-4" diameter plastic cylinder that fit inside the trunk lid to hold the rack's straps, yes that was the one.  And, no, I wouldn't want to use it nowadays, either.  But then, my "rack" consists of slipping my bike into the back of my 2000 Chevy S10 pickup's bed, which has a fiberglass cap over it.  Fully secure and locked.  Protected from the weather.  Can't get one like that these days though, because no one manufacture's a compact pickup with a full length bed anymore.

[Patrick Moore]

George and Brian: No, it wasn't a Bones; I had one of those too. This was tubular steel and hooked to the top, bottom, and each side of the trunk (or hatch) with flat metal hooks and adjustable straps. I recall liking it better than the Bones which wouldn't let you open the trunk; or I think that the one I owned 20 years ago or whenever didn't let you do that; from photos the current ones do seem to allow it.

Oh well, it's academic since I have an old hatchback from which I've removed the back seats so that I can carry 1 bike disassembled even with 30+ inch tires, and 2 or 3 bikes if you remove the front wheels and lower the saddles.

As the inevitable tangent, here's a photo I took 15 years or so ago of a hatch rack someone made for his Fiat 500 (the big modern one, not the petite original one).

Patrick "one more aside: Wabi Woolen ss full-zip mid-weight merino jersey did fine just now at 98*F and sky-high 15% humidity" Moore; had to give a plug for Wabi Woolen.

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[John Rinker]

I have no new information, but I can confirm that the 1UP racks are entirely suitable for fendered bikes. I'll also second Johnny Alien's sentiment about less plastic- the 1UP racks are all metal, of superb design, and very easy to use.

While it may not be necessary, I do place a strap on the wheel and rack tray...just because I like straps!

Cheers, John

[rlti...@gmail.com]

1Up also sells a “wheel stop” accessory for fendered bikes. It basically lets you secure the front wheel more securely which should allow less pressure to be needed where the rear rack support rests on the fender. You can always add a Voile strap to further secure the rear wheel to the rack but it isn’t really necessary.

Anyone tried Seasucker racks on fendered bikes? It looks like there may be enough rise on the front quick release mount to clear a fender. I have used their mounts for things other than bikes and they are great. I would have no qualms using one for bike transport if I had a car that would not accept a traditional rack.

Robert Tilley

San Diego, CA

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On Jul 31, 2024, at 3:50 PM, John Rinker <jwri...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have no new information, but I can confirm that the 1UP racks are entirely suitable for fendered bikes. I'll also second Johnny Alien's sentiment about less plastic- the 1UP racks are all metal, of superb design, and very easy to use.

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While it may not be necessary, I do place a strap on the wheel and rack tray...just because I like straps!

Cheers, John

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[Jacob Tobey]

Figured I'd add my perspective, as I recently found a great solution to putting a fendered bike on a 1up rack.

I've run a few fendered bikes on my 1up over the years, and while it does work ok, i've never felt as confident in the bike's stability compared to how sturdy a non-fendered bike feels. On top of that, my clem's fender had gotten pretty beat up from being hauled around town on the 1up. Then I saw this video by Brain Chapman and decided to rinko by Clem's rear fender with the explicit purpose of having a better way to run it on the 1up. 

It took a few hours of tinkering in the garage, but the effort was worth it. The only special parts you'll need is a rinko nut from Rene Herse and an extra section of fender. I used some saddle rivets from Selle Anatomica to attach the inner support and found a d-ring from an old silver bar end shifter to secure the sections of fender together.

[Jacob Tobey]

Photos might be helpful?

[Spencer Robinson]

I am using a 1UP rack this season and my experience is that it is very well made, I truly believe you could move an upright Piano on it.

Fenders are a challenge on this design, narrow fenders not so much but on my 60mm, plastic fender, 650B bike, I take the bolts that attach the fender struts out, and put the rear tire hold down under the fender, then use a small bungee to keep the fender from wiggling. 

It takes me less than 5 minutes… not too much of a problem. The peace of mind is worth the effort. On my Sam, with more narrow, Alloy, VO fenders, I just go right on the fender with the hold down…I don’t use any spacer between the tire and fender….seems fine. 

I should say that I do not get too stressed about scratches or imperfections.

[John Bokman]

John, thanks for the photos.  It appears you are not concerned about placing the arms of the rack at the minimum height than 1UP deems "safe"? Unless I'm mistaken, they argue that where the arms grab the tire/fender should be at least at axle level, better above axle level, for properly securing bike to rack. Maybe your front rack arm is higher? Or is it also just grabbing the wheel below the level of the fender? 

Thanks!

Befendered Sam rider John

Portland, OR

[John Rinker]

Hey John, Yes, the front wheel roller is at maximum height and grabs the wheel solidly. At the rear, the spool is slightly above the rear axle level, but still too low for my comfort. I always put a Voile strap around the rear wheel and the rack tray. The danger is that a bump in the road will lift the rear wheel beyond the rack spool. My experience with the rack over the past 2 years makes me confident that the strap does its job in this regard. We've traveled some rough roads and so far, so good.

Cheers, John

[John Bokman]

Much obliged for the info John. Makes sense.

John

[Brian Forsee]

I use the same method as John R for my fendered bikes on my 1up and have had good results. You could even replace the nylock nut for the bolt that holds the 'spool' with a wingnut to make it quicker to move. I agree a strap over the rear rim is necessary with the arm/spool beneath the fender.

Unfortunately I don't think there is a perfect rack for racked/fendered/swept back handlebar bikes. They all present inherit challenges to carrying your bike on a car. The 1up style rack is about as good as it gets IMO. One big advantage it has to other styles is the ability to adjust the bikes placement on the rack tray to eliminate interference between bikes, as well as being able to run the bikes in either direction. I often run bikes with the handlebars on the same side, which is not an option on other racks.

brian

[SeanMac]

I have a 1up that I use with my Cheviot.  I am really intrigued by the setup that John R and Brian have used, as that method looks much more stable than simply using the foam fender attachment that I have used in the past [though that system has worked just fine].  I have never used a voile strap before, but now I feel like I should.  What length would users suggest that I order?  It appears that they are available in 15, 20, or 25 inch sizes.  Nylon or aluminum buckles?

Thanks,

Sean

Buffalo, NY

[John Rinker]

SeanMac,

I have 20" straps with aluminum buckles. 15" would work, I'm sure, and I don't imagine the nylon buckles would be any less effective. Titan also makes good straps.

Cheers, John

[Brian Forsee]

Ditto what John said. I've used 20" metal buckle and 15" nylon buckle.  Nylon buckle for sure won't mark up anything but i haven't had that problem with the metal ones. Also have used the velcro strap that comes w surly tires. Johns Irish strap or a toe strap would also do the trick just fine.
 Brian

[Brian Turner]

I'd recommend at least 20" Voile straps. metal or nylon buckle, they both are great. The nice thing about Voile straps over woven straps or bungees is that slight bit of stretch that they have. It's not too much (like a bungee), but just the right amount to get a tight grip and lock into the tab on the buckle. I never feel like a Voile strap will lose its grip once tightened down, and I've never had them mar any surfaces.

Brian

Lex KY

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[SeanMac]

Thanks for your help with the Voile straps.  Sounds like 20 inches is the way to go.

Sean

Buffalo, NY

[Aaron Morris]

I was on the hunt too (for fendered/racked bikes) and finally came across this one - https://rockymounts.com/products/highnoon-fc-2-or-1-25.html

Checked all the boxes for me and expandable to 3 bikes. I purchased it a couple days ago and haven't received it so can't speak to the quality or ease of use, but rocky mounts is supposed to be a good company and the customer service has already been helpful

[Leah Peterson]

I loved this thread and found it really helpful. I also did some more online sleuthing and I made a decision. I’ll do a reveal when I have the darn thing, which won’t be for a few weeks. Which might clue you in to which rack I bought…

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I was on the hunt too (for fendered/racked bikes) and finally came across this one - https://rockymounts.com/products/highnoon-fc-2-or-1-25.html

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