Roaduno

[Dick Combs]

Anyone got any news/updates on availability?

[Bill Lindsay]

The latest update they published was in February. saying they'd ship put of Taiwan in August/September.  That same email update said there would be a lugged Susie shipping in June and Platypus in July.  The Susie's don't seem to be here yet, so maybe push everything back a little.  October?

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

[Mack Penner]

The mid-May Blahg has em slated for December in purple and dark orange. 

Mack in Alberta 

[Edwin W]

The mid-May Blahg did say December in purple and dark orange. Or purple and Sergio green. 

We will see!

Love the idea of it,

Edwin

[Jason Fuller]

The PLP interview mentioned the samples coming late this month, and the production frames probably pushed over new years now.  I have to say, when Grant said it's essentially a singlespeed Homer, I became suddenly interested. 

[Johnny Alien]

Question about that....if it requires a string tensioner then what makes it a singlespeed specific frame? He said it had horizontal dropouts which is what would typically fix the need for a tensioner.

[velomann]

Grant wants folks to be able to run a double crankset and front derailleur if they want. It's an odd duck for sure; 120mm rear spacing with track dropouts but a derailleur hanger. And there might be a braze-on for running a shift cable for a front derailleur if they can't find a good bolt-on option.

Wouldn't be my choice but I'm getting one anyway ;-)

Mike M

[velomann]

Correction - not track dropouts; horizontal facing forward (I think).

Mike M

[Johnny Alien]

My area is way too hilly and I am way too old to entertain a single speed (or two or three speed) anyway so its not something I am interested in BUT I was still curious. If its designed to use a tensioner then why not just single speed one of their existing bikes?

[DavidP]

Johnny - no tensioner required for single speed; the dropout allows the rear axle to slide to tension the chain. There is also derailleur hanger to support for tensioner for a 2x1 or 3x1 setup. 

[Joe Bernard]

You could singlespeed an existing frame, but this one is designed so you DON'T need a tensioner for it if you're definitely-fer-sure going to stick with one gear. 

[William Lindsay]

…or use a 120mm rear wheel and have a full on geared bike. I’ve fit 8 cogs with “10-speed” spacing onto a 120mm cassette hub from Grand Bois. A 2x8 RoadUno would be pretty funny. 

Bill Lindsay 

El Cerrito Ca

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[Joe Bernard]

"A 2x8 RoadUno would be pretty funny."

Roll up to RBW on that so Grant can shake his head, "What is wrong with you, Bubba?" 😂

[velomann]

"...or use a 120mm rear wheel and have a full on geared bike. I’ve fit 8 cogs with “10-speed” spacing onto a 120mm cassette hub from Grand Bois. A 2x8 RoadUno would be pretty funny. "

I can pretty much guarantee you that it will not have any braze-ons for rear shifting, so one would need to source some old-school clamp-on cable stops.

I'm only slightly bothered by the derailleur hanger and (possible) front shift braze-on. Riv attracts an...esoteric? kind of bike clientele, so I get it, though I really wish the frame was pure, clean, single-speed.  But as Grant said in an email exchange we had about the Roaduno, it's a lot easier to saw a derailleur hanger off than it is to weld one on.

Mike M

[Johnny Alien]

But Rivendell offers many options for those that want a geared bike. It seems odd that someone would want to overly gear up this single speed. I am agreement that the hanger should not be on there. I am OK with two rings on the front with no derailler. Thats bare bones.

[Brian Forsee]

When I first heard about the Roaduno I was over the moon about it, however my interest has continued to decline as more and more details become available. I love the clean lines single speed setups offer so the addition of the rear hanger and routing for a front derailleur is a major bummer to me. Could I cut it off? Sure. Do I want to do that on a brand new single speed oriented bike? No. I was also excited about tire clearance. I believe at some point clearance for 55's and fenders was mentioned, but with it now being referred to as a single speed homer I'm assuming that it'll be more like 40-something w/ fenders.

I'm sure it'll still be a great bike and sounds like it'll have a ton of versatility built in.

Brian

[maxcr]

Hey Brian, you can always track down a Quickbeam (I've seen a couple up for sale recently) or a Simpleone. I had one for a bit and it was a really fun bike with great tire clearance

[Dick Combs]

After Grants explanation I’m not sure the Roaduno is the right bike for me. I’m looking for a simple one gear bike be it a Roaduno, Quickbeam or Simpleone. I posed the question for an update during the PLP broadcast and was somewhat overwhelmed with Grant’s response. Anyway I’m looking for a one gear Rivendell that’s suitable for an 84cm PBH

[Jason Fuller]

I keep forgetting about the dangling hanger. Such a silly thing to have added IMO, particularly if 120 spaced. Admittedly I don't understand the attraction to the 3-by-1 drivetrain, but regardless, a regular vertical-dropout bike is well suited to that already.  It's not a huge visual impact, but it shouldn't be there in my opinion. 

I forget whether it's canti or caliper now. If canti, I'd suspect it'll take 48's but not sure whether that'd be with fenders or not - probably depends mostly on which fork crown they chose for this bike. 

In my dream world the Roaduno is a singlespeed TIG Hillborne and priced more affordably - so it can be quick yet capable, and simple as can be. 

[Bill Lindsay]

How about I get a SRAM Wireless RD, so we don't need any stinking cable stops, and mask out 3 cogs in software.  I just would have to figure out how to cobble a 9 out of 12 onto a 120mm cassette hub.  That would be SICK!  And it would annoy almost everybody.  All the fretters, handwringers, bellyachers, and retrogrouches can all get together and gripe about Bubba.  #gripeaboutbubba

BL in EC

On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 11:30:19 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

[Peter Adler]

Paging Eric Marth...this is basically what I was suggesting as a freehub option for a 70s steel frameset, avoiding the cold-set to 130mm.

Bill, I take it that you had to use narrower spacers than standard, and use friction shifting (or 10-speed indexed with the high and low shifter positions locked out). Am I close? Or did the regular 10 speed spacers do the job? Do two cogs + spacers really equal 10mm? They were the riveted back two cogs, yes? Is there a Shimano splined 10 speed cassette available with all loose cogs?

Peter Adler

Berkeley, CA/USA

On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 10:33:43 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

[Peter Adler]

A 120mm track-ended (or horizontal dropoutted) frameset with a derailleur hangar is just a modern update of the traditional 40s-50s British path racer, a road bike easily converted for track use.

BITD, for a long time after WWII, massed race cycling on public roads was forbidden in the UK. If caught, race participants could be severely punished. Aside from making club racers/not-racers sneaky around Tommy Law, it meant that the dominant forms of competitive cycling became time trialing (riding alone on a measured course; fastest posted time wins, and if the police stop you, you can claim you were just out for a recreational ride of a Sunday) and track racing. Since tracks were expensive to build and mostly were only in cities, "path racing" on grass courses (some local meadow) became a thing.

Like soccer, competitive cycling has historically been a sport of the poor. Poor people got good at cycling because they rode bikes all the time. They were the cheapest form of personal transportation one could get, so you rode everywhere. A club cyclist typically only owned one bicycle, which had to do everything. So the club racers would often have one bike, with two sets of wheels: A geared wheelset (often with steel rims) for just riding around, and a lighter track wheelset with tubular tires for competition.

Since the bike was their transportation and they had no other way to get their bike to races, they'd hang the track wheelset from clips mounted to either side of the front axle, ride to wherever that weekend's race was held and swap the wheelset around. They'd ride laps around the meadow, remove the trackie wheelset, replace the geared wheelset (with either an IGH or a hanging derailleur) and head back home - with or without a stop at the pub for a pint for the road.

If someone uses a flip-flop wheel, with mounting for a track cog on one side and a freewheel on the other, why shouldn't the freewheel be a multigear freewheel, if the wheel's dished to allow it? Then you'd need a frame-mounted hanger (or a derailleur-mounted add-on hanger) to mount the "multi-cog negotiation mechanism".

Peter Adler

Berkeley, CA/USA

[Eric Marth]

Thought of your email right away, Peter! 

[Patrick Moore]

I was just flipping through the Tour De France: Centennial history and looking at 1920s and early 1930s photos; the bikes seem to have multiple clusters, perhaps just 2 cogs, on each side of the hub.

I couldn't find a photo of the Roaduno; can anyone post a link or a picture? 

Didn't someone say it has track ends? I wonder why Rivendell didn't make the bike with horizontal dropouts; those make more sense for derailleur use without compromising derailleurless use; in fact, I find horizontals easier for fixed chain length drivetrains. Or perhaps track ends but a removable derailleur hanger. Oh well, I won't be interested as Rivendelll road bikes have tubing too stout for my taste, but it's interesting to hear about the possible drivetrain varieties.

Me, I say bring back club-type IGHs.

On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 5:32 PM Peter Adler <divis...@gmail.com> wrote:

... If someone uses a flip-flop wheel, with mounting for a track cog on one side and a freewheel on the other, why shouldn't the freewheel be a multigear freewheel, if the wheel's dished to allow it? Then you'd need a frame-mounted hanger (or a derailleur-mounted add-on hanger) to mount the "multi-cog negotiation mechanism".

[Joe Bernard]

If Riv wants to sell singlespeed frames to the singlespeed market it's going to be with track ends. Most fixie folks wouldn't accept forward-facing horizontal dropouts. 

[Patrick Moore]

Hmmmm? I don't know why you say that.

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[Jason Fuller]

Forward-facing, semi-horizontal dropouts of olde are okay for chill single speed use but agree, not recommended for fixed gear because they tend to slip forward during either hard acceleration or hard deceleration. With track ends, the alignment screws prevent this.  That said - I don't think any modern Riv is going to attract very many fixed gear riders!  Bottom bracket is way too low, for starters 

[Joe Bernard]

The idea (to my mind) is you buy a singlespeed frame with the possibility built in that it can handle fixed if you ever want to try it. I think if Grant used forward facing dropouts he'd get endless comments about how they're facing the wrong way on that type of frame. He's already getting enough grief for the derailer/tensioner braze-on! 

[William Lindsay]

I run 8 of 10 on a Grand Bois 120mm cassette hub. My typical setup is to start with a 12-30 Ultegra 10 speed cassette. The largest 3 cogs are on a carrier (24-27-30) and I keep all of those. The other 7 cogs are all loose and they are 12-13-14-15-17-19-21. I remove the 14 and one spacer. I remove the 17 and 19 and one spacer and add an 18.  What I’m left with is:

12-13-15-18-21-24-27-30

That’s not the only way to go about it, but it’s what I’ve done so far. I use 10-speed indexed down tube shifters and a 10-speed rear der. I just turn the lower limit to block out two clicks. 

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito Ca

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[Eric Daume]

In my ~25 years of single speed and fixed gear experience, forward facing dropouts are better in every respect than track ends:

- wheel removal is much easier (and moreso with fenders, and moreso again if you're running a derailer for some reason)

- adjusting the wheel position doesn't affect the rim brake position nearly as much (nice for manual gear changes).

- QR can hold the axle *better* because of the angle of the dropout--the chain isn't just pulling the wheel straight in the dropout, some component of the force is going into the angled wall of the dropout.

OK, track ends look nicer, and allow for shorter chainstays, but I'll take forward facing horizontals eight days a week.

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[Jim M.]

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:48:42 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

- adjusting the wheel position doesn't affect the rim brake position nearly as much (nice for manual gear changes).

- QR can hold the axle *better* because of the angle of the dropout--the chain isn't just pulling the wheel straight in the dropout, some component of the force is going into the angled wall of the dropout.

 Well, Riv's ss designs have angled track ends so you can move the wheel without changing brake position. Riv track ends are also longer than typical forward facing dropouts so you get more room for adjustment. 

jim m

walnut creek

 

[Patrick Moore]

No they don't, not if you install the wheel properly! I've put thousands and thousands of miles on fixed gear and ss drivetrains with horizontals, and for that matter with track ends without chain tensioners, and never had slippage even during 7-mile standing climbs (I'd sit every half mile or so for a few hundred years; this was when I was a young spry 50-something) or when pacing cars to 20 mph at stoplight drag races. And this includes wheels secured with steel internal cam QR skewers.

After all, Eddy Merckx and peers used QRs on horizontals and even they didn't report problems with axle slippage, even when sprinting or climbing a col in the 42 X 24. 

Hell, I've even used old fashioned wingnuts (SA proprietary ones) on horizontals and, well tightened, I experienced no axle slippage.

The only time I had axle slip with horizontals was when using an allen key skewer with aluminum end caps; I once tightened one down so much that the skewer snapped, but the aluminum (serrated) caps simply didn't bite into the dropouts enough.

But I can tell you from almost 30 years of experience that horizontals don't cause slippage even with QRs, let alone track nuts.

[Patrick Moore]

Grief hedging; I understand. Have to anticipate the peanut gallery.

Personally I'd prefer a bolt on hanger, and if I bought a Roaduno I might well Dremel off the integrated hanger. But I can see the usefulness.

On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 11:20 PM Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote:

...  I think if Grant used forward facing dropouts he'd get endless comments about how they're facing the wrong way on that type of frame. He's already getting enough grief for the derailer/tensioner braze-on! 

[Bill Lindsay]

Eric Daume's list begs some lively discussion, but it does illustrate a larger point that I think is gradually becoming a universally held opinion, even though some people don't realize it, and that is the following:

The only thing front facing horizontal dropouts are good for is single speeding.  Front facing horizontal dropouts were invented on single cog machines (true single speeds and IGH bikes).  Derailleurs were cobbled onto proper front facing horizontals as afterthoughts, because that's what they were.  Then, fancier manufacturers (typified by Campagnolo) integrated the derailleur hanger into the front facing horizontal dropout, and copied the silhouette of the cobbled together combo.  Hand wavers try to argue that front facing horizontals allow you to "adjust chainstay length", but that is hand waving.  Nobody really does that.  There were excellent vertical dropouts for derailleur bikes in the 1930s and thereabouts, and I think it's a historical accident that they didn't become the standard.  I've got 5 bikes in my stable with forward facing horizontal dropouts.  All of them have a rear derailleur, and if I had a magic wand I'd switch four of them to vertical dropouts right now.  The only one I wouldn't switch is my Black Mountain rim-brake Monster Cross....because I sometimes run it as a singlespeed.  That's the only thing front facing horizontals are good for: single speed setups.  

Now to Eric's list of claims:

- wheel removal is much easier (and moreso with fenders, and moreso again if you're running a derailer for some reason)

I mainly disagree.  Without fenders, it's about the same.  With correctly set up fenders, both are a pain with normal rear wheels*.  Some people do weird fender installations to accommodate rear wheel removal but the result is ugly fender lines.  For all rear wheels with full coverage fenders, the optimum is for the wheel to drop straight down.  There are three ways to get that:

1. Vertical dropouts

2. Through axle

3. *A rear hub with no axle stub.  Phil track hubs have this feature.  So does the White ENO, the Paul WORD, and there have been others.  It's a no-brainer for singlespeed fendered setups, IMO.  Remove the bolts entirely and the wheel goes straight down and out.  

Track ends with a derailleur is a pretty goofy setup, and definitely make rear wheel removal harder.  See Klein mountain bikes in the early 90s.

- adjusting the wheel position doesn't affect the rim brake position nearly as much (nice for manual gear changes).

True! but that's a function of the angle, not the direction.  Rivendell track ends have the same angle and the same attribute.  It's absurd other manufacturers didn't copy it.  Rivendell did not patent it (or any other thing) and have never sued anybody for copying anything.  I wish my Crust SS Lightning Bolt had that gangster lean.  It's the only imperfection on that bike, ATMO.  I like that my Michigan Man has regular horizontal track ends, because I never change gears on it.  

- QR can hold the axle *better* because of the angle of the dropout--the chain isn't just pulling the wheel straight in the dropout, some component of the force is going into the angled wall of the dropout.

Mathematically true.  In practical terms: come on.  Both are totally fine.  If there was some real shortcoming to track ends, track racers and BMX bikes wouldn't use them.  This is a non-issue in either direction.  

track ends look nicer,

This is subjective, but I totally agree.  A singlespeed with front facing horizontals looks goofy.  In my stable, I tolerate the goofy look, but I strongly prefer the look of track ends, like Eric does.  

If Rivendell had me spec the Roaduno, it would have Frank Jones Sr. ends.  

BL in EC

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:48:42 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

[Johnny Alien]

The Frank Jones Sr....beautiful. Can't agree enough.

https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/richs-frank-jones-sr

[Patrick Moore]

Those are indeed beautiful track ends; the prettiest I've seen. I do think however that long horizontals are more practical in that wheel removal is at least a bit easier and -- if you use them -- fender fitting is a bit easier. But yes, for pretty those win the prize. And agree that verticals are the obvious best choice for derailleur systems.

Chauncey Matthews added extra-long (considerably longer than Campy 1010s) forged horizontals sourced from some obscure UK source to my 1999 You've-Heard-too-Much-About-It-already fixed custom; Joe had used short dropouts which IMO are the worst of all possible worlds; and Chauncey home-made very long plate (to mimic period bikes for short-axle SA hubs) dropouts for the 2020 IGH 2003 Curt Riv clone.

[Ryan]

Those track ends are elegant...if I was in acquiring rather than divesting mode , that Frank Jones would be my dream SS. As it stands , I just put up with the look of my ancient PX-10 with the front-facing Simplex drop outs with the derailleur hanger. 

But I'm curious to see how the Roaduno will end up

[iamkeith]

Changing subject slightly - there have been some comments worrying that this will simply be a homer and the logical "why bother"  question implied, given that it's no longer a true single speed.  I have no inside knowledge, but suspect it will be different.  Specifically, I'd supect it to have a higher bottom bracket than the homer, to accommodate those who want to use it as a fixie. 

 The Quickbeam had a higher BB, and I can't help wonder if that's the thing that made it's ride quality so magic and so unique compared to other contemporary models.  (That was my riv era, so I also have a ram and a saluki and, as similar as they are on paper, they just feel totally different.) 

My newer rivs are the long, hilli bike type (susie/clem) instead of the road type.  Because those are what I prefer most of the time is why I was excited about the first Roaduno concept /prototype.  But, since it's now different, I just can't imagine it being less than a  improvement to the QB/SO.   

Like most, I tired of the single speed limitations, and have spent years planning to add gears to my QB - via IGH in my case.  This is despite owning the Saluki and Ram.  It's just such a good ride, I can't imagine getting rid of it.  The long winded point of this is that i totally understand the addition of features for adding gears.  If the bike ends up being a "keeper " most are going to get there eventually.

[Dick Combs]

I just want a simple, single speed bike 

[Joe Bernard]

RoadUNO will start as a simple singlespeed bike. The options to add gears are nice but not necessary, pick your ratio and ride! 

[Bill Lindsay]

There is no question there will be a Roaduno Complete in early 2024 that you will be able to purchase, and that bike will be both simple and a single speed.  

Another bike that meets both those criteria (simple and singlespeed) is the Public V1.  

https://publicbikes.com/collections/single-speed-bikes/products/public-v1

That's a simple, single speed bike.  I bet it would be pretty fun to ride.  

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:35:02 AM UTC-7 Dick Combs wrote:

[Tommy Patterson]

Another interesting SS bike:The new rando frameset from Velo Orange that is available now https://velo-orange.com/products/rando-frameset 

It has modular dropouts so you can run it geared or SS. Room for 38s w/o fenders, 32s w/ fenders. Road/rando geometry and the paint looks great! 

Tommy in NC

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[Edwin W]

Bill is right (as usual), the Public V1 is fun to ride. 

My brother and his wife got them. I made a huge improvement (to me!) in putting paselas on and switching the 18t rear cog to a 16.

I love the simplicity of a single speed and hope to get a roaduno and "fix" it up,

Edwin

[Bill Lindsay]

A simple new bike with a mechanically attentive build and excellent tires.  That's a good recipe.  It's like a chef that can throw together a sensational omelet with four ingredients.  

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

[scott minor]

All this talk of dropouts, Grant mentioned last week on a Path Less Pedaled YouTube video (around the 55min mark) that Roaduno will have  'rear facing dropouts of our own design'.  

[Edwin W]

I will be interested to see:

1. What the frameset price will be.

2. What the price will be for a complete.

3. What the complete will look like.

My build would probably be tending toward minimalist (I fantasize about it but keep adding stuff to my bikes like dynamo lighting, racks, fenders and all those other things I find useful) city-ish bar like a wavie, 35-45mm tires, fixed gear, flat pedals, front v-brake.

Will look forward to people's variations....

Dreamily,

Edwin

[Femi Agbabiaka]

I see -- in a recent interview with PathLessPedaled he mentioned that the bike he's riding most often is a 3x1 -- I'm now wondering if he's testing out the new Roaduno based on what you've described.

On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 9:15:07 AM UTC-5 velomann wrote:

Grant wants folks to be able to run a double crankset and front derailleur if they want. It's an odd duck for sure; 120mm rear spacing with track dropouts but a derailleur hanger. And there might be a braze-on for running a shift cable for a front derailleur if they can't find a good bolt-on option.

Wouldn't be my choice but I'm getting one anyway ;-)

Mike M

On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:28:39 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

Question about that....if it requires a string tensioner then what makes it a singlespeed specific frame? He said it had horizontal dropouts which is what would typically fix the need for a tensioner.

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 11:19:40 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

The PLP interview mentioned the samples coming late this month, and the production frames probably pushed over new years now.  I have to say, when Grant said it's essentially a singlespeed Homer, I became suddenly interested. 

On Friday, 7 July 2023 at 09:44:49 UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:

The mid-May Blahg did say December in purple and dark orange. Or purple and Sergio green. 

We will see!

Love the idea of it,

Edwin

On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 5:40:16 PM UTC-5 penne...@gmail.com wrote:

The mid-May Blahg has em slated for December in purple and dark orange. 

Mack in Alberta 

On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 4:21:05 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

The latest update they published was in February. saying they'd ship put of Taiwan in August/September.  That same email update said there would be a lugged Susie shipping in June and Platypus in July.  The Susie's don't seem to be here yet, so maybe push everything back a little.  October?

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 1:54:59 PM UTC-7 Dick Combs wrote:

Anyone got any news/updates on availability?

[Johnny Alien]

[Bill Lindsay]

That has got to be one of the coolest dropouts I've ever seen.  Even if I didn't use the Der hanger, that thing is a beaut!  The gap between that upper hook and the fender boss looks like a beer bottle opener to me!  I'll drink to that!

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

[RichS]

I would wager Riv sells a few Roadunos based on that cool dropout. I'll also drink to that!

Best,

Rich in ATL

[maxcr]

From Grants blahg:

"RoadUnos are scheduled for early 2024, but we're getting prototypes in mid to late September.  They're basically A. Homer Hilsen frames except for the graphics and dropouts. Rear wheel spacing is 120mm."

[Bill Lindsay]

If it's got caliper brakes like a Hilsen, that will send some people into a tizzy.  The suspected derailleur hanger sent a different set of people into a tizzy.  If it's got long chainstays and a sloping TT, then that's two more tizzy-groups.  The tizzy venn-diagram will be interesting to map out.  I'll be in a tizzy because I'm between the 54.5cm and 58cm sizes.  Tizzy's galore!

BL in EC

[Joe Bernard]

It'll be like a Hilsen but singlespeed but you can mount a derailleur like a Hilsen. 

[Jason Fuller]

Between this and the production spec of the Charlie, it's clear that the new models are simply splitting hairs between existing models - no shame in it, I love to see the additional resolution within the world of Rivendells - but splitting hairs nonetheless!  The Charlie has become a cross-pollination of the Homer and Roadini, with a slightly dropped top tube. 

I still maintain that what the world needs now is Riv's answer to the Cross Check - a TIG'd construction Hillborne essentially, ideally with a swoop tube. 

[maxcr]

Jason, I think the swoop proto Charlie with cantis is as close to a TIG Sam as well get

Max

[velomann]

"If it's got caliper brakes like a Hilsen, that will send some people into a tizzy."

I've been told to expect cantilever posts and clearance for 700 x 50.

Mike M

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 3:39:43 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

[Edwin W]

I think it was going to come as a complete, right?

I want to hear from this group how they would build a reasonably priced, reasonable quality complete. 

And how much will it cost?

Mine would be (mostly pulling from Riv's website):

Brake Levers: Shimano 

Brakes: Shimano DXR

Wheels: basic wheelset, anything fancy you are on your own

Hubs: basic Shimano

Cranks: Silver one ring with a chain guard

Bar: hard to beat a good old Albatross, but maybe a special one for this bike??

Other:

Dynamo: on your own

Fenders: on your own

Rack: on your own

What else??

Edwin