A Few Thoughts About FS posts

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Hey there - 

Just slipping on my admin cap because I'm noticing a trend:

There has been an increase in "no-price" For Sale posts which have ended up in the queue. While I don't feel they are made in anything other than good faith, it potentially changes the nature of this group to an auction house. There are other websites which do that.

I've also noticed a number of Sale listing attempts (again, caught in the review queue as they are from newer members (or those who never posted before) for pretty general gear. That's much more of a grey area, as we all end up with extra bike stuff. But there have been a number of "swap meet" style posts that get pretty broad, or are even introduced with "I've cross-posted this into..." 

For the second condition, I'll admit more leeway for those who share images and ride reports and the things that make this a valuable place. 

For the first issue, moving forward if something is listed for sale without a clear asking price and lands in the queue, I'm going to not pass it through. And might ask non-moderated posters to specify a price if a listing is not clear. 

For reference - in this last batch of ~20 posts which landed in moderation, there were 6 which had no-price-gimmee-an-offer text. 

Thanks!

Jim / list admin

[Dave C]

Thank you for the feedback and admin work.

[Joe Mullins]

I’m glad you brought these things up. I’ve had a thought on my mind for a bit that might be appropriate to discuss here. (If not I apologize and please delete this Jim. Also apologies if this has been discussed and I missed it or if it’s in the moderator guidelines and I forgot about it.)

My instinct tells me that only Rivendell bikes or frames should be sold here. If I saw a Specialized bike or frame (nothing against Specialized they’re just the first mega company that came to mind) for sale here, I’d find it inappropriate. I saw a non-Riv (and to my knowledge not at all Riv-related) bike posted for sale here recently and I thought it was inappropriate. But I think it’s fine posting B-stone here since this group is essentially a spin off of the original BOB group and because of you know…Grant.

But many here are into bikes from “friends” of Rivendell or Riv-related companies such as Crust or B-stone. Crust sells Rivendell bikes alongside their own. I don’t know of any other bike manufacturers who do that. Many of us put Crust handlebars or Ronnie Romance bags on our bikes. We like their stuff because they make stuff that is mostly in alignment with the stuff Rivendell makes which is why we love Rivendell. 

The reason I bring this up is because I have a Crust that’s no longer made and may be considered rare that I’ve been considering selling. My loyalty is to this group first and foremost and I’d rather someone here have first dibs on a bike they might want rather than posting it on the 650b group (where some here might see it), or Craigslist or last and definitely least, eBay. I’m a member of the 650b group but I never go on there and can’t remember if I’ve ever participated in any discussions there. 

Should we make a list of non-Riv bikes that we feel appropriate to post here, if any? If B-Stone counts, what is the criteria that will make other companies count? Should we start a thread of Riv-adjacent bikes for sale and keep all of it consolidated to a single thread much like the Craigslist part 1, 2 and 3 threads?

Thoughts? 

Joe in Los Angeles 

PS-I hinted about the said FS bike in another post here that brought up Crust bikes. I felt that was not inappropriate ;-)

On Nov 15, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Dave C <david.char...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Jay Lonner]

To my mind Riv is both a brand and a philosophy. I think it’s great that Grant’s ideas are getting traction with other manufacturers — a rising tide lifts all boats and all that. I personally have no problem with for sale posts that include Riv-inspired brands or builds.

Jay Lonner

Bellingham, WA

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On Nov 15, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Joe Mullins <jmlmu...@gmail.com> wrote:

I’m glad you brought these things up. I’ve had a thought on my mind for a bit that might be appropriate to discuss here. (If not I apologize and please delete this Jim. Also apologies if this has been discussed and I missed it or if it’s in the moderator guidelines and I forgot about it.)

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[Eric Norris]

I can’t imagine that carbon fiber racing bikes would be very popular on this list. Anybody who knows this audience even a little will stick to FS posts that readers here will respond to. I don’t predict a flood of ads for un-Rivendellish stuff.

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[Philip Williamson]

Agreed. I think the current situation (iPhone just changed that to “Siri ratio”) is fine. If you think some of your friends here might want to buy your item, post it. If you think you’ll get hand wringing or eye rolling over the bike, the parts, or the gear, and you’re not a troll… don’t.

That said, I think that’s a fantastic topic for a thread! 

“What for sale stuff do you have that you’d NEVER post on the Riv List?”

Philip

Sonoma County, Calif

[Joe Bernard]

I'm not stressed about supposedly off-topic bikes - I find most bikes to be interesting in at least one way - but the 'no prices' thing really grinds my gears. I don't want to guess at a number and compete with other guessers, just tell me what you need to let it go. 

[lconley]

I have similar thoughts. I am slowly selling off my way too large stash of bicycles. 

I have sold my two Sam frames on this site and also have an original model (quick releases, not through bolts) fat tired Crust Scapegoat  that I was considering posting here when the time came. I basically feel that is OK as Crust is Riv-adjacent, even if the Scapegoat not very Riv-ish, although maybe a little hilli bike-ish. 

I also have a Scott Sub-10  that actually has a lot of parts that I bought from Riv on it (Brooks saddle, SKS mud flaps, Little Big Ben Tires), but I would feel less OK with posting it here. It is in a certain way more Riv-ish in set-up - fully fendered, fully racked, dyno-hubbed, upright, but it has aluminum frame, belt drive, disc brakes so I would be less comfortable trying to sell it here.

And then there is the no-name fully lugged, nickel plated, chrome-moly single speed with the Resurrectio decals - I would feel Ok trying to sell it here.

Not sure what my criteria actually is.

Note that none of these bikes are for sale yet or any time soon and may never be and I would never remember if anyone was interested now, once the time comes to actually sell. 

Laing