Appaloosa & Atlantis Toe Overlap

[☆ Paul ☆]

Hello All. 

Does anyone have toe overlap issues on a Joe Appaloosa with fat 50-ish tires and fenders?

How about the first run MIT 650B Atlantis?

I have big Sneakers (13) but am not terribly tall (5’11) and find overlap to be an issue on my 700c Homer with 40c tires and fenders. The tips of all my sneakers have run marks and I find myself hitting the fenders now frequently. So am thinking about switching things around and trying to hunt up a different model frame to use as a fast townie. 

I do ride on the balls of my feet, not my heels. 🙂 

Thank you!

[Patrick Moore]

Just a suggestion, and fwiw: You might try living and riding with TO and see if you adapt. I've been riding bikes with TO/TCO for decades with no problems, even for years commuting on fixed gears with TO and with fenders making even more TO, this often in busy urban traffic, and never had an accident; and currently have a dirt road bike that, with 60 mm tires almost 30" tall and wide fenders over those give almost 3" of TO; again, never fallen due to TO even on sketchy sandy surfaces. Note that I don't do technical singletrack on any bike with TO/TCO.

There was TO on my Ram, too even before I added fenders.

All this FWIW.

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Patrick Moore

Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

[☆ Paul ☆]

Hi Patrick.

Thanks for the suggestion. 

I generally don't mind toe overlap either, especially on bikes I'm using for ore aggressive rides. However this is a city bike that has Bosco bars on it and I sit straight up, and in this position there is just a tendency to have your feet move further forward some of the time. I think it's just the posture that makes TO a bit more of an issue than it would otherwise.

The frame is slightly big on me as well, which is the main reason I'm considering replacing it anyway. Just wondering if people generally find TO an issue on either of those other models?

Thanks.

[Patrick Moore]

Ah, understood.

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[Josh Chambers]

I have a Joe Appaloosa with 50mm soma Cazadero tires on it, Fenders, and no to overlap at all. My bike is a 59 cm, I’m 6 foot 2. Toe overlap becomes more of an issue in smaller sized frames however.

[Bill Lindsay]

Paul

I had a 55 first run Appaloosa.  The only major shortcoming of the 55 Appaloosa for me was the TCO, and my opinion that it should have been a 650B bike.  My every day commute involved two spots where I would have to execute a tight weave through the access gate to a bike path, and at both spots I'd kick the fender hard.  

I have the first run MIT 650B Atlantis.  My test-ride with Grant was immortalized in a Blagh post https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/post-holiday

The first run 56cm 650B Atlantis does not have TCO for me.  I actually did a small photo-essay of the TCO situation of my entire stable:  https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157713520401717  

I think the even-more-current Atlantis and Appaloosa may avoid TCO as well, with an even longer front-center.  Those bikes will require some sort of swept back bar for most riders.  My Atlantis is that brief combo that has a short enough top tube to run drop bars, and 650B wheels to avoid TCO.  For those reasons, it's my perfect Atlantis.  I wouldn't change a thing.

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

[☆ Paul ☆]

Hello Bill.

This is incredibly helpful, thank you. I love the overlap photos. I just went out to my bikes and did some measuring, and comparing with your images is helpful. From what I can see the new 54 Appaloosa has almost identical front-center as your older 55. So it may have the same issue as yours for me, too. Actually the specs are identical except the TT is a smidge lower.

Atlantis is way out there!

Best.

Paul

[Dave Johnston]

Bike Insights will help you visualize and it calculates the distance from the pedal spindle to the tire. You can change tire size with the little wrench tool. Note: I have found mistakes in the Rivendell data for stack, reach and standover, so be wary.

This link should be a 55cm Hilsen vs a 54cm Appaloosa, but play with the search for different sizes and model years.

https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5a1e69902a0c030014708cac,5e308654dcfe4e001737cc7c

-Dave

[☆ Paul ☆]

This is super helpful. Explains some of my TO issues!

[Ryan M.]

I ride a 51cm Appaloosa and am 5'7" tall on the best of days and have a size 9 shoe and ride with platform pedals pretty much ball of the foot. I've never experienced toe overlap on that bike. I did experience it on my Sam Hillborne, but not the Roadeo I had.