Tires

[Carla Waugh]

In the winter I run narrower tires because of fenders and I'm currently using Jack Brown Blue. I really like Compass tires and have not tried the Compass tires in the same width. I ride mixed surfaces but mostly pavement. If you have what did you think and which model?

[Deacon Patrick]

Hey Carla! If your winter riding includes snow, knobbies, otherwise the slick herringbone is the way to go for mixed terrain that doesn't get loose or technical. Just pick the same width as your Jack Browns, unless you've room to go up a wee bit. If flats are an issue, you can go for endurance, but the extralights are oh so plush! Hope that helps.

With abandon,

Patrick

[Matt Dreher]

If you find that Compasses end up too fragile and expensive for your taste I highly recommend Panaracer's other tires, as they are Compass' manufacturer and many elements of them show up in cheaper tires. 

The Pasela is a regular mostly slick road tread with a very thin, flexible sidewall similar to Compass' regular casings and the Gravelking slick is a file tread with a less flexible but still supple reinforced sidewall comparable to the Endurance casings on newer Compass tires.

[Patrick Moore]

This refers to the 559/26" x 1.25/32 Pasela.I hadn't looked for a long while, but good to know that Panracer still makes the 26 X 1.25" Pasela, and that Modern Bike and Amazon carry them:

https://www.amazon.com/panaracer-Pasela-ProTite-Folding-Tire/dp/B01K871UYE?th=1&psc=1

https://www.modernbike.com/panaracer-t-serv-protite-26-x-1.25-tire-folding-bead-black-black

There's also the Ribmo which looks to be a bit beefier.

From the weights listed on the Amazon page (240 grams for the 26 X 1.25), I'd guess that these are non-tourguard? I commuted on these tires for a few years, and they weren't bad as far as rolling quality goes. Quite prone to thorn flats (which may be a measure of their rolling quality, ie thin carcase) and quite sensitive to tire pressure. The Schwalbe Kojak seemed (but I am relying on memory) to roll as well as the Pasela but certainly resisted thorns better.

I did try the Tourguard version of the same tire, and that model (again, memory) seemed to be more sluggish.

Can anyone talk about the Ribmo? How does it roll compared to Kojak or Pasela 26 X 1.25?

I hope and pray that Jan keeps making the superlative Elk Pass, the only really good 26" road tire on the market, afaik. Interesting: as durable -- 1,500 miles rear, fixed -- as the Pasela 1.25 non-TG; 60 or 80 grams lighter (~175 versus 240 and 260 claimed weights for Pasela), rolls much better, far less pressure sensitive. But also $80+ each (which I happily pay). Note that Jan insisted (BQ? Boblist?) that his tires were very different from the Paselas - new molds and all.

Note that IME, the 26 X 1.25 Pasela, at least the non-TG version, is not much stronger than the Elk Pass; in fact, the sidewalls deteriorate more quickly, and the tread, while thicker, is also more easily damaged -- I scraped off a 2" long section of tread when a saddlebag came loose from the bracket and jammed the rear tire as I was at the bottom of a hill; fortunately, fixed gear, so my speed was moderate.

Still and all, good to know that there are several tolerable ~32 mm road tire alternatives for 559 wheels still on the market.

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[Patrick Moore]

Perhaps of general interest and segueing from the earlier "cheaper than Compass options" thread on the RBW list, here is more information on Paselas and in particular Paselas versus Compass/Rene Herse. FWIW, YMMV, AFAIK, LMAO, ETC.

Procrastinating on work, as usual, I Googled about and found more about the Pasela and Ribmo and Kojak, and reviews of same; interesting. So, perhaps the gotterdamerung (with umlaut) of the 26" road tire is not just quite yet.

IF anyone wants to kick in with information about other options for 26" more or less road tires, please do so.

https://restoringvintagebicycles.com/2017/11/28/compass-elk-pass-vs-panaracer-pasela-part-ii/

https://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/2012/05/review-panaracer-pasela.html

https://roadcyclinguk.com/gear/panaracer-ribmo-pt-tyre-review.html

OTOH, "Rolling Resistance Review" rates Kojaks horribly; I think he/she/it/they tested a 700C X 35. Odd, since my experience with the Kojaks was positive, both for goathead puncture resistance (very good with tubes and NO sealant), and rolling resistance (as good at least as the 240 gram 26 X 1.25 Pasela). Again, YMMV, ETC. I did "sense" that the 700C X 35 Kojaks on my Ram felt somewhat* sluggish compared to the Parigi Roubaix that replaced them.

Other meanderings around der veb bring up 26" Tiogas and so forth. If'n any readers have ** concrete, personal experience** with 559 X 25-to 35 mm tires other than those named, I for one would be very interested in hearing what youse have to say.

* By "somewhat" I mean: noticeable, but also that the Kojaks didn't feel horrible, as did the 26 X 32 Avocet City somethings and whatever the OEM ~32 mm 40 bsd Avocet tires came with the Dahon Hon Solo, riding which made you think nostalgically of taking up power walking or golf. And, more: the 26 X 32 mm Kojaks felt as if they rolled better than the 700C ones. Upshot: ride what you feel.

[Garth]

  Forte Metro ST 700 x 35 tires , from Performance/Nashbar online.   I run them at 35-40 psi and they ride real nice. The cost about $14 each I believe. "You get what you pay for" in this case doesn't apply..... you get a whole lot more.  They have an error in their listing with weight listed @725g, it's supposed to list be 425g as that's what they weigh.  

They ride great  ..... how's that for depth and breadth of descriptions ?  Woo-hoo !!! 

[Adam Leibow]

i've had great luck with Compass / Rene Herse standard casing tires- not quite as fragile as EL's and still very supple/fast. i have the snoqualmie pass on my sam and the antelope hill on my clem L. very spoiled. honorable mentions for other tires= WTB, Schwalbe as obvious choices. The schwalbe g one all around are supple like compass but have knobs for some bite off road. would recommend. 

[Steve Palincsar]

If it was "a bill of goods" we'd all be experiencing problems, and that's just not so.  

On 1/10/20 10:03 PM, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

I'm just glad someone finally used the words "fragile" and "Compass" in the same sentence. I think Jan has really sold folks a bill of goods. (And I know many on here swear by them. Hello to the Patricks!) I've never had a sidewall cut in any other tire, ever, although I've always carried a boot, just in case. Counting the sidewall cut on a BRAND NEW (so much for calling them "event tires") Stampede Pass that caused my DNF at PBP, after 1000km, in 2015 (which couldn't be held by a boot, or a dollar bill, leading to 7 flats over 50km, and I think it was Theo, from Compass who replied to my complaint that, yes, it's true that boots don't work well on those tires) I've thrown away three straight Compass rear tires before they had even 1500 miles on them. Each one had a sidewall cut, although I very consciously changed the way I rode to ensure I didn't drop off a curb or approach anything at an angle to avoid rubbing the sidewall, even in the slightest. Quite frankly, I will never buy another thing from Compass/Rene Herse. Sorry, but I've needed to get that off my chest for a long time. We now return to your regulary scheduled programming. 

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[tc]

Hey Carla,

I've have a set of Jon Bon Pass ELs (35mm) on my Roadini ...Awesome, light, quiet, grippy, no flats ... and very cushy, zippy.  Like they're not there.  I have about 500 mi on them.  Highly recommend.

I have a set of Snoqualmie Pass (44mm) standard casing tires on my wife's 58 Sam, on my 62 Sam, and now on my 59 Clem (on the Clem, replacing 2.25 Schwalbe G-One Speeds (also nice), so I can fender it).  Awesome, really cushy, no flats.  I had almost gotten used to how velvet smooth they are; then my wife rode them the first time (after the stock Kendas - yuck) -- and she was amazed at the difference in comfort.

The 'basketball tire' (Continental Sport Contact II) that Riv sells is actually a very nice tire for the money.  I had them on my SimpleOne for a while.  If that's your price range, I'd go for it.

Tom

[Carla Waugh]

I decided to go without fenders so I could use my Bon Jon Compass tires which I adore. I have Compass tires on my 650B as well. I'm using a medium Donut Sack bag in front and my medium Sackville in back which will help in the event of rain. Thanks for the great thoughts! A small dusting of snow in Norman Ok.

[Patrick Moore]

You must be hard on tires! I agree that the Elk Pass is not the tire to choose for surfaces with large or sharp rocks, but IME, considerable, the sidewalls are better than those on the Pasela 559 X 32, which quickly degrade.

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 8:03 PM 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I'm just glad someone finally used the words "fragile" and "Compass" in the same sentence. I think Jan has really sold folks a bill of goods. (And I know many on here swear by them. Hello to the Patricks!) I've never had a sidewall cut in any other tire, ever, although I've always carried a boot, just in case. Counting the sidewall cut on a BRAND NEW (so much for calling them "event tires") Stampede Pass that caused my DNF at PBP, after 1000km, in 2015 (which couldn't be held by a boot, or a dollar bill, leading to 7 flats over 50km, and I think it was Theo, from Compass who replied to my complaint that, yes, it's true that boots don't work well on those tires) I've thrown away three straight Compass rear tires before they had even 1500 miles on them. Each one had a sidewall cut, although I very consciously changed the way I rode to ensure I didn't drop off a curb or approach anything at an angle to avoid rubbing the sidewall, even in the slightest. Quite frankly, I will never buy another thing from Compass/Rene Herse. Sorry, but I've needed to get that off my chest for a long time. We now return to your regulary scheduled programming.

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