Nexave Rear Der

[Bill Lindsay]

I love Rivendell's power move on Nexave Rear Ders.  They identified the super ultimate rear der, consistent with their own long held beliefs about RDs, found 132 of them, paid $45 apiece for them and sold 22 of them for $132 each.  So they paid $6000 for 132 derailers and sold exactly one-sixth of them for almost $3000.  I think that's brilliant.  When you are a small influencer and can influence a few people, parlay that influence!  

Who all got one?  I'd run one with pride.  I think short cage rapid rise RDs are great on friction shifting bikes.  

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

[lconley]

I looked at them on Saturday morning and thought about it. A few hours later I looked again and they were gone. I will have to be content with my 4 silver Shimano Altus RD-M310s (which can still be had on eBay).

Laing

Delray Beach FL

[J Imler]

Bought one on eBay 6 months ago. It’s on my cargo bike. I now regret not buying more.

[Bill Lindsay]

I know that regret for not buying up more instances of a good cheap part.  

I have a stockpile of short cage XT rapid rise RDs, and will content myself with those.  They don't have the super sweet big pulleys though.  On the big pulley front I have two Altus RDs, which were practically free and shift incredibly well, but those are not rapid rise.  I also have one of the RDs that Rivendell sold briefly that also has big pulleys like the Altus, is not rapid rise and is maybe one or two steps up from Altus, so it has a little bit more alloy construction and a little less stamped steel and plastic.  I don't remember what made-up word is on printed on it.  

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

[Joe Bernard]

Not RapidRise, a Garbaruk cage and pulleys on SRAM Rival 1 derailer. Now that's a big pulley. 

[Matthew P]

I think the derailer looks interesting and I thought about buying one, but not for $132 or whatever.
I am fine with them buying up the whole lot.
If they charged what they did for them because they need money, I understand, but still wish they decided to make money another way, like sell more hats that are sold out and will sell out again ;)
If they charged what they did following the mentality of "there are only a few derailers so we must raise the barrier to them" then I wish they limited access to them based on some other criterion. Their approach is in favor of people with more money having greater access, which is very much in line with how the world works.
But it doesn't seem very Riv-ish.
I understand their ethos of "you don't need a $100 derailer; the $30 works just fine".
But what am I to make of "use the $30 derailer that we're selling for $130"? Again, seems in conflict with their own approach.

This is not intended to be a harsh criticism; this little thing is just that: minor.

I wish they kept them all for Riv builds or only sold them in-person or based on how old your Riv account is or something like that.

Thanks for the tip Laing.

I guess now I should just go ahead and buy the derailer I was looking at on ebay that sold for $50 and there's maybe one available for $60. Or try to hold strong to the parts bin approach.

Good call on this post Bill. 

-Matthew
using friction when indexing has gone south, thinking about going south too and just using friction
in San Diego

On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 2:11:20 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

[Johnny Alien]

I agree. I am fine with them selling them for whatever they can get for them (they don't make them anymore) but I don't see the value of paying that much for an under $50 RD.  I did like the RR Shimano I had years ago though.

[brendonoid]

I think if there are any parts you are waiting to get cheaper it's probably time to  give up and start accepting that demand is well and truly outstripping supply these days. Those Nexave derailleurs were the most savvy business thing I've ever seen Riv do. They were sold out by the time I'd woken up and checked my emails. Grabbed an extra Silver Crank though I've been waiting for those to be available for ages.

[Bill Lindsay]

Now is a good time to stock up on a few Altus rear derailers.  They are cheap and still plentiful.  They shift great in friction, look super cool with a huge lower pulley.  The only people who shouldn't have one or two on-hand would be people who never want to set up a good inexpensive bike, or never expect to need a good inexpensive rear derailer.  

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

[Tom Wyland]

Pardon the dumb question, but can an Altus 8 speed rear der work with a 9 speed on friction shift?

Thanks,

Tom "still doesn't know much about shifting" Wyland

[Bill Lindsay]

An Altus Rear Der can easily swing 9 or 10 speed in friction.  

[Jon Dukeman]

Tom

I run my Altus with 12 x 36 9 speed on my Plattypus using Micro shift 9 speed shifter on index. Front : Silver Wide/ low double 38× 24.

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[Matthew P]

Ignoring Sram because I am unfamiliar, and a road vs. mtb/mtn difference, lets say within Shimano mtb/mtn freehub bodies and cassettes, the widths are the same 8 speed through 12 speed. Double check me here: https://www.sheldonbrown.com/speeds.html So a rear derailer has to travel the same distance inboard-outboard-wise for 8-12 speeds, staying within the confines of friction shifting. So is the only other concern how big of a cog you have on the cassette and whether the rear derailer can clear it (and if not, wolf tooth road link or similar, right?). Maybe cage length (and pulley wheel size?) also matter(s) if bigger cogs and wider gear&cog range  = longer/more chain to take up?
-Matthew
San Diego

[Jon Dukeman]

I was surprised the Altus cleared the 36 tooth cog so easily.

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[dougP]

I have the Altus on my Atlantis with 11-36 9 speed shifted with Silver2 shifters.  Shifts great.  Previous cassette was 12-32.  No adjustments needed.

dougP

[Jon Dukeman]

Doug

I was surprised going from 32 cog to 36 also..there was no adjustment on mine either.  The high and low limit screws were the same but figured the B screw might need adjusting. Love that Altus.

Jon

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[Joe Bernard]

It gets a little (or a lot) more complicated beyond 10 speeds. 8/9/10 all fit on the same freehub, as do Shimano and compatible wide-range mtb cassettes (the big cog kinda dishes over the edge of the hub. 11 road uses a wider freehub, I believe all 12-speed cassettes use that one. Maybe!

Joe Bernard, who's putting an 11-speed 11-50 on an 11-speed freehub with a spacer for 8/9/10 😂

[Joe Bernard]

Shoot. That's supposed to say Shimano 11 mtb fits on 8/9/10 freehubs. 

[Nick Payne]

On Friday, 13 August 2021 at 5:19:50 am UTC+10 Matthew P wrote:

Ignoring Sram because I am unfamiliar, and a road vs. mtb/mtn difference, lets say within Shimano mtb/mtn freehub bodies and cassettes, the widths are the same 8 speed through 12 speed. Double check me here: https://www.sheldonbrown.com/speeds.html So a rear derailer has to travel the same distance inboard-outboard-wise for 8-12 speeds, staying within the confines of friction shifting.

Actually, no. The Shimano MTB freehub body ramains the same width, but from 11s onwards the cassette is 1.85mm wider - the largest cog on a 11-speed MTB cassette overhangs on the inside so that it can fit on the shorter body. So the derailleur has to be able to travel that extra 1.85mm sideways to shift across an 11s cassette. Shimano 11s road hubs have a freehub body with splines that are 1.85mm longer than their 11-speed MTB hubs - because the smaller largest cog on most road cassettes doesn't allow the cassette to overhang on the inside without the derailleur fouling the spokes in the smallest gear. The exception on their 11s road cassettes are the HG-800 and HG-700 11-34 cassettes, where the largest cog is big enough that it can overhang ok, so those cassettes will fit on an 8/9/10 freehub.

Not that the extra throw required causes a problem in real life. I've used a Deore XT 7s RD on a 9s cassette, and 9/10s RDs with 11s cassettes, and they've had no problem shifting across the entire cassette. And on the SRAM side, it's their 10s MTB derailleurs (usually labelled "Exact Actuation") that are compatible with their 11s road shifters, if you want to run 11s indexed on a drop bar bike with a wide range cassette.

Nick

[Matthew P]

Nice Nick and Joe! Thats great info. -Matthew

[Fullylugged]

I took a 20 yr old long cage Nexave rapid rise off a donated TREK Navigator yesterday and replaced it with an easier to adjust normal action  Altus.  I was just going to toss the Nexave, but if anyone wants it for the cot of postage to wherever they are, message me (before trash day :) ).

Bruce

[Fullylugged]

I'm surprised at the interest but the derailleur has been claimed.  I'll answer everyone who inquired off list.

[Bill Lindsay]

Re Rapid Rise hoarding: I just bought a used XTR GS cage Rapid Rise RD.  Total weight weenie bling!  

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA