What Berthoud Saddle is this??

[BobW]

I came across a used Gilles Berthoud saddle in my travels.  It has titanium rails, so I assumed it is the "Aravis" model (same as Aspin but different rails.

However it seemed narrow to me so I measured it and it comes out to 150mm wide; not the 157mm the the Aspin/Aravis are spec'd at.

Wondering if this is a discontinued model??  Anyone familiar with these saddles??

[Joe Bernard]

Looks like a Galibier (ti version of Soulor), which is claimed 146mm wide.  

https://berthoudcycles.fr/en/535-leather-saddle-galibier-black.html

[Nikko in Oakland]

The Soulor and Galibier don't have the option for saddle bag hooks on the rear. Can you shoot a side-profile of the saddle so we can help? 

[Bob Warner]

Here’s the side view it seems to have the same amount of rivets as the Aspin, but is only 150 mm wide.

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On Dec 2, 2022, at 6:15 PM, Nikko in Oakland <nikkog...@gmail.com> wrote:

The Soulor and Galibier don't have the option for saddle bag hooks on the rear. Can you shoot a side-profile of the saddle so we can help? 

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[Lucas Winzenburg]

The Galibier/Soulor only have two bolt assemblies visible on the rear of the saddle, unlike the Aspin/Aravis, which have four, like this one. It does look a little bit narrower than an Aravis in your photos, but I can't tell if it's just distortion in the image. 

[BobW]

It is definitely narrower.  I measured 150mm with calipers.