Grand Bois Cypres 700 x 30 substitutes?

[Tom Goodmann]

I've long enjoyed the suppleness of these tires, but they seem not to have been available in the U.S. now for some years; I think they can still be obtained outside the U.S..  Any recommendations for near-equivalents?  (Labeled as 700 x 30, but seem to measure out closer to 32).  Thanks in advance for any recommendations.  Tom, Miami  

Sam Hillborne

Legolas

Goodrich-built 650b prototype

'94 RBT

[Eric Norris]

Compass Stampede Pass is very similar.

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[Ray Varella]

Tom,
Scott Davis from Minneapolis regularly gets shipments from them.
He just posted about this a week or two ago.

Ray

[Tom Goodmann]

Thanks, Eric; thanks, Ray. I just found an April 22nd post about Scott Davis, and so can get them via him or his ebay site, as well as the Compass tires.  I ride Barlow Pass 38s on the Legolas, and like them very much.

[Braxton Colagross]

I ordered two directly from Grand Bois in Kyoto in late February. They arrived in less than a week. Two tires for ~$100. Great price and very fast service. Why is shipping from Japan so fast and inexpensive?

[Eric Norris]

+1 on ordering directly from GB. Even with shipping, their prices are substantially lower than purchasing from a US-based vendor. The last two GB tires I bought online came directly from them.

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[Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-7, Tom Goodmann wrote:

I've long enjoyed the suppleness of these tires, but they seem not to have been available in the U.S. now for some years; I think they can still be obtained outside the U.S..  Any recommendations for near-equivalents?  (Labeled as 700 x 30, but seem to measure out closer to 32).  Thanks in advance for any recommendations.

For suppleness, consider Challenge Paris-Roubaix (27 mm) or Strada Bianca (30 and 36 mm) tires in their respective "Pro" versions, which are what Challenge calls their tires with 260 tpi or higher thread count carcasses. They generally run a bit larger than stated, especially the P-R, that runs to about 29mm even on fairly narrow rims. If you get Challenge products from Europe, they're actually reasonably priced too (although still not inexpensive).

[Nick Payne]

Schwalbe have the G-One Speed 700x30. I've been running these tubeless for a couple of years.

Nick

[Paul Brodek]

You can order from Scott in Mpls, as already mentioned, or buy from him on ebay. He's always got listings for tires there, makes it handy to see what he may have in stock.

Ordering direct from Grand Bois has been mostly smooth for me. Recent covid-related shipping issues have cropped up, they switched from EMS to DHL when delays kicked in, not sure what they're doing now, but Japan seems to be getting back to a quasi-normal.

Nobody's mentioned the Soma Supple Vitesse tires, which are another high-zoot Panaracer OE product for a US-based brand/company. I use 'em a lot, like 'em a lot. They have std and extralight versions, and are generally less expensive than Rene Herse. You can buy direct, might help to wait for one of their occasional/seasonal sales if you're not in a rush. ModernBike seems to have the lowest everyday price on them.

The Challenge tires are also very nice. Just be aware they are "open tubular" design, not vulcanized, so they lay flat against the rim out of the package, with no natural upward curve whatsoever. I don't use tubeless tires, so I can't compare mounting a Challenge open tubular to those, but I can say that Challenge open tubulars are the most difficult tires to mount of any tires I've used over the past 10yrs+. I'm cranky and stubborn, and only when death is the only other alternative (yes, I'm exaggerating) will I use tire irons to mount a tire, but I've come close with Challenge. I recently got some fat, puffy Strada Bianca Pros, and they look just beautiful, but every time I look at them I can almost feel palm and thumb pain again. Once they've gone on, and had some time inflated, subsequent mounting isn't inordinately difficult, but the first time is a real bear. I recently got a Kool Stop Tire Bead Jack to spare my palms and thumbs next time around.

I'll also say that tire mounting experience is akin to flatting experience, in that it is a certainty that someone else thinks mounting Challenge tires is easey-peasey, they never have a problem. ("Tire X is a flat magnet!" "I ride mine thousands of miles and never get a flat." Like that...) One man's death fit is another's no sweat. But Challenge does see the need to have a video on their website showing their preferred mounting technique. And boy howdy the dude in the video doesn't seem to struggle like I do. I've bought more than one pair near-new from somebody on a forum who gave up trying to install them. So it ain't just me.

But they are dead sexy.

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 11:07:49 AM UTC-4, Tom Goodmann wrote:

[Brewster Fong]

I just picked up a pair of Schwalbe One V-Guard clincher tires to try on my Trek Madone. Interestingly, for a "racing style" bike, it has plenty of clearance!

At only $26 each, these seem like a decent deal:

https://www.backcountry.com/schwalbe-one-tire-clincher?s=a

Good Luck!

[Jock Dewey]

Hey, Paul:

Your posts are always the best, enjoy reading every one of them...and some of our conversations, too. 

Especially your tire ovations.

I say this, because it is important & necessary that tires look good and make proper sounds on good pavement. It's the only music I listen to out on the road.

BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA

[Tom Goodmann]

+1 on praise for Paul's post--it was the best read, the best laugh, I have enjoyed this week.  And thanks to all of you for sharing your views and information . . . I never tire of reading them.  --Tom

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Gee, thanks guys! Always happy when my pain and suffering provide some yucks.

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Thanks, Jock.

Amen to the music of good rubber on smooth asphalt! Hopefully, from a performance standpoint, that's a good thing, too. I'd hate to find out my favorite sound in the world was evidence of excess tire/surface friction...

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

[Tom Goodmann]

Just so well written, so well told, Paul; sorry for your tire agonies but grateful fhe shared experience.

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[Steve Palincsar]

Having experienced Challenge open tubulars in the form of Parigi Roubaix I have to decry Paul's understatement of the extent of the problem.    Literally the worst tires to mount I've ever used.   Fabulous ride, but at best when brand new and at full thickness I got 1 flat every 300 miles, and it went downhill from there as they wore.  To be fair, after they'd been mounted for a couple of weeks, it became easier to get them on and off, but the initial experience was suitable for Ripley's Believe it or Not.

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[Ryan M.]

Mounting a set of road tubeless tires onto carbon rims for my Trek Emonda (back when I rode that kind of bike) made me sell the wheels and the tires...I’m not sure if the new owner could get the tires off the rim, they were that tight. A total PITA. My bet is he cut them off with an exacto knife. I’d rather deal with tubulars. I never had a problem with higher volume tubeless so I thought I’d give skinny road tubeless a shot. I do wish my wife recorded me trying to put those tires on the rim.

The Rene Herse Stampede Pass are 32mm wide and they are pretty nice. I’d recommend them.

[Paul Brodek]

Hey Steve, do I peer through the cobwebs of my mind to see that you might be one of the fellas I bought a pair of Challenge tires from after your trials and tribulations?

I've probably related this before, but several/many years back when trying to install Parigi-Roubaixs on modern, maybe H+Sons Archetype rims?, when trying to roll the last bit of bead over the rim sidewall, the tire tried to scrape off the top layer of skin from my entire right palm. It gave me the largest blister I've ever had in my entire life, and...well, I won't go into detail, but I had to find the largest possible band-aids for large wounds, and it took weeks to heal. That was the last time I messed with Challenge tires until this last pair of Strada Bianca Pros. They didn't wound me this time, but I did wonder why I was bothering. Until I saw how round and puffy they are.

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[Paul Brodek]

Not to segue too far afield, but aside from the Moore brothers' dystopian Goathead Hell, I don't get skinny road tubeless as a concept. Skinny tire pressure is so much higher, I can't see the sealant helping with anything but pretty tiny punctures, and even that gets real messy. I rode behind/beside a nice lady on a club ride with 'em, she had picked up somethin', and for more than a couple of miles her rear tire was spewing sealant all over the frame and rear brake. Yeah, she was able to keep riding, but that tire got mighty soft before it stopped spewing, and left a real mess to deal with. She doesn't do any wrenching, but if it wasn't tubeless we could've replaced the tube in 5 minutes or so and been on our way. Thank goodness it happened late in the ride when we were near the start, because if she needed a tube to get home I sure didn't want to have to dive into that yuck.

I checked out the hole when we got back, it was a pretty tiny glass shard.

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA   

[Patrick Moore]

I have to laugh. One flat every 300 miles? Three hundred Miles??? THREE HUNDRED MILES?????!!!!

When I first mounted original issue PRs on my then-Ram, I got a flat every 5 (five) (V) miles, no kidding; I think it was 4 during that first ride; yes, I was relatively inured to punctures, took in stride 1 per 20-30 miles, and carried a battery of remedies including 2 tubes and a full patch kit; but 1:5 was a bit much even for me. 

Enter, stage left, with drums and canon: Sealant! First Stan's, then the better (IME) Orange Seal (Endurance for low press tubeless, full-cream for tubes). I now ride 175-gram Elk Passes through fields of goatheads, laughing scornfully at their feeble agression.

The Challenges are RH EL quality. I am torn between the Challenge clinchers and real tubulars for my Libertas build; advise me, O ye wize ones.

[Patrick Moore]

I agree, FWIW; I can't see the use of tubeless for narrow, high pressure, given that, at least IME, sealants work well in tubes at road pressures, and in tubeless at low pressures.

As for mess, even with sealant at low, ~20 psi pressure, even through with Orange Seal (versus Stan's) most punctures seal within a few wheel revolutions, there is still enough squirt that every 4th cleaning or so requires solvents and sweat to remove the stuff flung over the frame tho' fenders help a great deal.

With sealant in tubes at road pressures (60 psi max, usually 50 psi or even less -- 29 mm and 27 mm actual on, respectively, 21 mm and 19 mm outside rims), OS Regular works well, and the good news is that when a tube is breached, the sealant leaks within the casing, leaving you, perhaps, with great puddles of the stuff inside the tire, but little outside on the frame or your person. I carry a rag in each kit bag expressly for wiping up sealant spills.

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[Steve Palincsar]

On 6/25/20 3:09 PM, Paul Brodek wrote:
> Hey Steve, do I peer through the cobwebs of my mind to see that you
> might be one of the fellas I bought a pair of Challenge tires from
> after your trials and tribulations?

No, not me.  I got one pair as a gift (the owner tried mounting them and
gave up) and bought a pair (from someone who tried mounting them and
gave up) but I've never sold a pair.

>
> I've probably related this before, but several/many years back when
> trying to install Parigi-Roubaixs on modern, maybe H+Sons Archetype
> rims?, when trying to roll the last bit of bead over the rim sidewall,
> the tire tried to scrape off the top layer of skin from my entire
> right palm. It gave me the largest blister I've ever had in my entire
> life, and...well, I won't go into detail, but I had to find the
> largest possible band-aids for large wounds, and it took weeks to
> heal. That was the last time I messed with Challenge tires until this
> last pair of Strada Bianca Pros. They didn't wound me this time, but I
> did wonder why I was bothering. Until I saw how round and puffy they are.

I had to use a toe strap to keep the tire on the rim just to mount the
first bead - and I needed to use tools to do it, too. Just ridiculous. 
A sublime ride, but the mean time between flats was very short, as was
their service life.   You can get the same or better ride with a lot
less hassle with other options.

[S. Greco]

I really love the Cypres, and I have ridden the compass equivalent. 

They are super similar, but don't compare IMHO. 

There's some magic in then cypress. What a time to be alive with all these amazing tire options :)

[Jim Bronson]

Patrick,

I think the quantity of goathorn thorns you encounter in somewhat lowland New Mexico (meaning, lower than Santa Fe) is somewhat atypical to many places in the US.

However, running fairly new Pari-Motos on a rainy ACP 600K a few years back, I once had FIVE flats on the first day, which was roughly 240 miles, and on the 2nd day of the ride, I had a 6th flat coming right out of the gate.  Thankfully it dried out shortly thereafter and my last tube held for the last 120 miles or so.  Had it not, I would have been patching tubes on the side of the road, which would have been a real problem on the timed event I was on - the 2nd day was a straight north out and back, and I was facing a 20+ mph north wind with gusts to 30+ after the cold front passage.  I arrived at the turnaround control with three minutes to spare.  Another flat would have meant I timed out at the turnaround control.

Thankfully with the stiff tailwind going back to the start, I was able to finish with almost two hours to spare, we averaged 25-30 mph on the way back with the wind at our back, expending not very much effort to boot..  Yes, riding my 90s Rivendell Road Standard/Custom (never been sure which)

I switched to Compass LoupLoup the following weekend and with the thicker on-center tread I've had far less flat even on rainy rides.  Compass tires are not as flat resistant as say Continental Gatorskins but they represent a good balance between rolling resistance and flat resistance for my uses.  But the Pari-Motos are just too much.  They ride wonderfully when they do happen to hold air, but the flat resistance is negligible.

Jim

Austin MSA, TX.

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[Aaron Thomas]

Paul, 

Regarding the Soma Supple Vitesse tires, how accurate are the size designations when inflated? Or perhaps more to the point, if you have used the 33 mm, is it truly in the ballpark of 33? I bought some Challenge tires labeled 33 mm but they inflated to nearly 37 mm! 

Secondly, in your experience, how puncture prone is the extralight version compared to the standard version?

Thanks,

Aaron 

[Paul Brodek]

Hey Aaron,

This could turn into another of my tire rants, but it's getting late and I'm getting sleepy.

All's I'm gonna say right now is, I can no longer simply use the term "accurate" in regard to labeled tire widths. Actual tire width is dependent on the tire itself, natch, but also the width of the rim and the final tire pressure. Since I started dabbling in vintage builds again, my rims now range from 13mm internal width (Mavic Open 4 CD) to 21mm (HED Belgium+). That 8mm width differential results in significant differences in actual tire widths.

Luckily I don't have any wide-ass gravel/all-road/atb rims, which can make 21mm look skinny. Then I'd be making myself even nutsier.

So now I have to use a whole bunch of qualifiers: "accurate on narrower rims" or "accurate on wider rims." I think of "accurate on narrower rims" as "oversized," and "accurate on wider rims" as "undersized," but that still only has meaning when you're including rim widths in the discussion. I suppose that's relatively understandable, but if the tire mfrs would just standardize their width labeling, life would be so much easier.

The tire labeling doesn't tell us what rim width they're using to measure the width, or a what tire pressure they're measuring. There's also the issue that tires sometimes pop out of new molds either a little undersized/oversized from what the designers intended, which only compounds (is that pun-ish? punish??) the problem. 622-33-19-80 (622 tire is 33mm on 19mm-width rim at 80psi) could be what's in the mold, but what happens when the tire pops out and oooops! it's actually 31mm or 35mm at 19/80?

End of rant.

In general I find the wider Soma SVs to be accurate on wider rims, or a little undersized, so the 33s will reach 33mm on 19-21mm-ish internal-width rims and normal/high-ish riding pressures. I just checked one on a 19mm Belguim+ rim, 21mm internal width, and it was just a hair over 33mm (like 33.1-33.2mm) at 80psi. If you're using narrower rims, and/or running lower pressure, they should be a little bit narrower.

There could be sample variation, and also variation within the line. I'd never used Supple Vitesse 28s, but just got a pair hoping they'd be undersized enough to work on my Merckx, which has the 19mm Mavic Open 4 CD rims. I figured if they were like the 33s, and wouldn't hit 28mm till they got on wide rims, they shouldn't get above 26.5mm or so on a 13mm rim. They wound up pretty much at 27.0-27.4mm on those 13mm rims, which was a good 0.5-1.0mm too wide/tall for the Merckx. If they're only 1mm "undersized" on 13mm rims, they're going to be oversized on 19-21mm rims. I haven't tried them on a wider rim yet to see how wide they get, might get around to it before the weekend is out.

Can't help you much with comparative flat results. Hopefully the tire gods won't be listening when I say I don't puncture often. And I mostly ride the SLs, so I don't have a basis to make a great comparison.

Paul Brodek

Hillsdale, NJ USA 

[Nick Payne]

Re the Challenge Strada Bianca 700 x 30, I didn't have problems mounting them, but I had to retire them because the braking force was making the tyres gradually creep around the rim until the valve got ripped out of the tube. The rims are Mavic MA2 - been using them for years with multiple other brands of tyre with no such problem, and the GP5000 700x32 I fitted after removing the Strada Bianca tyres didn't have the problem when inflated to the same pressure. Here's what the wheel would look like after a ride of 40-50km, and the valve was straight at the start of the ride:

Nick

[Paul Brodek]

Wow, that is mega-weird, though I am kinda remembering hearing/seeing that creeping problem before, on a forum. Can't recall if it was for the same brand/tire, though.

Maybe the fact that you didn't have trouble mounting them was a sign? IE, Challenge tires need a tighter fit to prevent creeping? Couldn't guess why/how/huh?

Paul Brodek

Hillsdale, NJ USA

[Paul Brodek]

Forgive the self-reply, just wanted to add a data chunk.

Checked two different Soma SV SL 33s on vintage Mavic MA40 rims, spec 13.5mm internal width, and got a pretty sold 30mm at 80psi. So 30mm wide on 13.5mm rims, 33mm on 19mm rims.

Thus my disappointment at the SV SL 28s being 27mm on 13mm rims.

The 33s are "accurate on wide/undersized" and the 28s are "accurate on narrow/oversized."

I just got some Vittoria Corsa Graphene+ 28mm skinwalls for the Merckx. If they're too wide/tall, it'll have to be the Conti 5k blackwalls. Was hoping for skinwalls on the Merckx, but I'm not willing to throw more money at Veloflex or something else, especially considering I don't have many/any other bikes this tight in the herd.

Paul Brodek

Hillsdale, NJ USA

[Aaron Thomas]

Paul, thank you, this is helpful. 

I'd be using the Soma Supples on Velocity A23 rims, which have an internal width of 18 mm. Sounds like it should be right around 32 or 33, which is what I'm looking for. I have been using Jack Brown greens (33) and Panaracer GravelKings (32), and just want to mix it up a bit with something else in that ballpark — but with the lightweight performance casing.

I was using the Challenge Strada Bianca "open tubular" in 30 mm, and loved the ride, but have had some issues with them blowing off my A23 rims (but not on Mavic Open Pro), so I'm sticking with clinchers for my A23 wheels. I'm going to give the Soma Supple a try. Thanks!

Aaron

[Ian A]

Eric,

Do you recall what you were charged for postage?

Was just on the GB site and ordering direct seems convenient.

IanA Alberta Canada

[Eric Norris]

Not specifically. Cost was about the same as shipping from a US vendor, as I recall.

You should be able to estimate shipping on the Grand Bois web site before you order.

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> On Aug 15, 2020, at 8:34 PM, Ian A <atte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Eric,

>
> Do you recall what you were charged for postage?
>
> Was just on the GB site and ordering direct seems convenient.
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
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On 8/15/20 11:36 PM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

Not specifically. Cost was about the same as shipping from a US vendor, as I recall. 

You should be able to estimate shipping on the Grand Bois web site before you order. 

That isn't how it works.

You place your order and wait.  Grand Bois will then send you an email with a PayPal invoice for the order with shipping enumerated.   You either say forget it, or pay the invoice and your order will be processed.

Here's  my PayPal receipt from the last time I bought tires (3 700C Cypres) back in spring 2019.  No idea if prices have changed since then.

You just sent a ¥14,500 JPY payment Hello Stephen Palincsar, Thanks for using PayPal. It may take a few moments for this transaction to appear in your account. View Your Invoice Invoice #1301_0734 Payment to: CyclesGrandBois i...@cyclesgrandbois.com Shipping address:  (my address) Description Quantity Price Amount Grandbois tire Cypres700 700x30C STD 3 ¥4,000 JPY ¥12,000 JPY Subtotal ¥12,000 JPY Discount ¥0 JPY Shipping ¥2,500 JPY Total ¥14,500 JPY     Amount paid   ¥14,500 JPY     Amount due ¥0 JPY   Payment method VISA x-4672 $134.28 USD             Exchange rate 1 USD = 107.9804 JPY  From $134.28 USD To ¥14,500 JPY  PayPal makes money on converting currencies                                                                                    This transaction will appear on your card statement as PAYPAL *GRANDBOIS. Funds will be available to your recipient on or before: March 4, 2019. Description Amount Payment amount (in currency funded): $134.28 USD Your total charge: ¥14,500 JPY Exchange rate: 1 USD = 107.9804 JPY PayPal makes money on converting currencies   Payment amount (in currency received): ¥14,500 JPY

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On Aug 15, 2020, at 8:34 PM, Ian A <atte...@gmail.com> wrote:

Eric,

Do you recall what you were charged for postage?

Was just on the GB site and ordering direct seems convenient.

IanA Alberta Canada

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Steve

$23 shipping from Japan does not seem too bad, about $8 /tire

John Hawrylak

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[Steve Palincsar]

I thought dealing with Grand Bois was quite reasonable.