Nitto/Riv Bullmoose thoughts

[exliontamer]

Anyone have opinions/real world experience with the Nitto/Riv Bullmoose bars? I've been thinking of putting them on my old Toyo Atlantis since they came out. I'm a pretty broad shouldered 6'2" so the width would likely work for me. Mostly curious about the reach, how high they can get, & if they're comfortable for commuting. 

[P W]

Have them on an old Bontrager CX, and love everything about the fit and reach:

P. W.

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On Apr 17, 2024, at 4:56 PM, exliontamer <rollu...@gmail.com> wrote:

Anyone have opinions/real world experience with the Nitto/Riv Bullmoose bars? I've been thinking of putting them on my old Toyo Atlantis since they came out. I'm a pretty broad shouldered 6'2" so the width would likely work for me. Mostly curious about the reach, how high they can get, & if they're comfortable for commuting. 

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[Matthew Williams]

I’ve got them and I love them. They’re solid and I never have to worry about them suddenly slipping.

I’m 6’-0” and the reach is perfect—all of my bikes have had straight-across or cruiser bars (as opposed to drops or the swept-back style) so these are a natural, comfortable, familiar fit for me. I’ve probably got them mounted at--or just below--the height limit. 

On Apr 17, 2024, at 4:55 PM, exliontamer <rollu...@gmail.com> wrote:

Anyone have opinions/real world experience with the Nitto/Riv Bullmoose bars? I've been thinking of putting them on my old Toyo Atlantis since they came out. I'm a pretty broad shouldered 6'2" so the width would likely work for me. Mostly curious about the reach, how high they can get, & if they're comfortable for commuting. 

[J]

I have two of them, willing to part with one if you decide to give them a go. I like them for the look but they've never stayed on a bike for a full summer. I've pretty much settled into being a drop bar bike or flat bar mountain bike rider, and don't connect with the in between bikes anymore. The bullmoose are too in between but I'll keep one around just incase the right bike follows me home one day. 

[J J]

Hi exliontamer. I'm a little bit taller than you, also with broad shoulders, burly, and I have a Toyo Atlantis (61) with a Nitto-Riv Bullmoose. I like the bar, it looks great, and I love the integrated stem. Aesthetically I think the Bullmoose looks badass on the Atlantis. I had to raise the bar up as high as I can get it.... it's probably a couple of inches higher than saddle height. Otherwise the reach is too long *for the riding I have been doing*. It makes me stretch out more than is comfortable for my wrists and shoulders. 

So this is where my opinion starts diverging from other respondents on this thread: I'm honestly getting sick of the Bullmoose. Every time I ride it I wish it were a Chocomoose or a Boscomoose. I run a Boscomoose on my Hunqapillar and love and prefer it. In other words, I have direct experience with both bars on roughly similar bikes that makes comparing the bars pretty easy. For commuting, bopping around town,  riding paved trails and on straightforward gravel, nothing overly "technical," for me the Boscomoose is hands down preferable to the Bullmoose. I am looking at my actual riding as opposed to aspirational riding. 

But clearly a lot of people love the Bullmoose. It's just not working for me, my body, my riding, now.

If anyone reading this has a Chocomoose or Boscomoose they want to sell me or trade for the Bullmooose, please reach out to me directly so we can make a deal. If I can't find one I might just go with an old Albatross bar and a lugged stem instead of the Bullmoose, even though I prefer bars with integrated stems.

I'd be curious to know what setup(s) you're riding now. I hope this is helpful, but don't hesitate to let me know if any questions come up. Here's a photo to give you a sense of height and reach.

Jim

On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

[Max S]

I've tried them on my (dearly departed) SimpleOne, my QuickBeam, and even my Serotta. Great bars, and I could even use the forward extension to get low and fast. I still have these bars, waiting to be put back on the QB to make it into the tracklocross hoon wagon that it wants to be. At a hair over 6' tall, I felt the bar was a little too wide for me, and I've been tempted to cut it down a bit. For you, the width might be perfect. As far as commuting goes, I'm of the opinion that for commuting involving city streets, a narrow bar is better. If your commute involves some dirt, or the bike gets used for different things and the commute doesn't involve cars passing close, then bar width is maybe of less consequence. Also, if you're running a loaded front bag or basket, and the head tube angle is < 72 and trail is >45 mm, IMO, the wider bar and rearward position really help with steering. 

- Max "the ghosts of bikes past" in A2

[Max S]

What a lovely Bontrager you got there!! 

- Max "green bikes are cool" in A2

[P W]

Max,

I was just about to say your SimpleOne is the perfect bike.

Clearly we have overlapping tastes!

Our green bikes should be friends.

- Philip

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On Apr 17, 2024, at 7:39 PM, Max S <msh...@gmail.com> wrote:

I've tried them on my (dearly departed) SimpleOne, my QuickBeam, and even my Serotta. Great bars, and I could even use the forward extension to get low and fast. I still have these bars, waiting to be put back on the QB to make it into the tracklocross hoon wagon that it wants to be. At a hair over 6' tall, I felt the bar was a little too wide for me, and I've been tempted to cut it down a bit. For you, the width might be perfect. As far as commuting goes, I'm of the opinion that for commuting involving city streets, a narrow bar is better. If your commute involves some dirt, or the bike gets used for different things and the commute doesn't involve cars passing close, then bar width is maybe of less consequence. Also, if you're running a loaded front bag or basket, and the head tube angle is < 72 and trail is >45 mm, IMO, the wider bar and rearward position really help with steering. 

- Max "the ghosts of bikes past" in A2

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On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:03:43 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:

Hi exliontamer. I'm a little bit taller than you, also with broad shoulders, burly, and I have a Toyo Atlantis (61) with a Nitto-Riv Bullmoose. I like the bar, it looks great, and I love the integrated stem. Aesthetically I think the Bullmoose looks badass on the Atlantis. I had to raise the bar up as high as I can get it.... it's probably a couple of inches higher than saddle height. Otherwise the reach is too long *for the riding I have been doing*. It makes me stretch out more than is comfortable for my wrists and shoulders. 

So this is where my opinion starts diverging from other respondents on this thread: I'm honestly getting sick of the Bullmoose. Every time I ride it I wish it were a Chocomoose or a Boscomoose. I run a Boscomoose on my Hunqapillar and love and prefer it. In other words, I have direct experience with both bars on roughly similar bikes that makes comparing the bars pretty easy. For commuting, bopping around town,  riding paved trails and on straightforward gravel, nothing overly "technical," for me the Boscomoose is hands down preferable to the Bullmoose. I am looking at my actual riding as opposed to aspirational riding. 

But clearly a lot of people love the Bullmoose. It's just not working for me, my body, my riding, now.

If anyone reading this has a Chocomoose or Boscomoose they want to sell me or trade for the Bullmooose, please reach out to me directly so we can make a deal. If I can't find one I might just go with an old Albatross bar and a lugged stem instead of the Bullmoose, even though I prefer bars with integrated stems.

I'd be curious to know what setup(s) you're riding now. I hope this is helpful, but don't hesitate to let me know if any questions come up. Here's a photo to give you a sense of height and reach.

Jim

On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

I’ve got them and I love them. They’re solid and I never have to worry about them suddenly slipping.

I’m 6’-0” and the reach is perfect—all of my bikes have had straight-across or cruiser bars (as opposed to drops or the swept-back style) so these are a natural, comfortable, familiar fit for me. I’ve probably got them mounted at--or just below--the height limit. 

On Apr 17, 2024, at 4:55 PM, exliontamer <rollu...@gmail.com> wrote:

Anyone have opinions/real world experience with the Nitto/Riv Bullmoose bars? I've been thinking of putting them on my old Toyo Atlantis since they came out. I'm a pretty broad shouldered 6'2" so the width would likely work for me. Mostly curious about the reach, how high they can get, & if they're comfortable for commuting. 

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[Stephen]

I have a pair that i used to have on my appaloosa. I’m around 6’1-2” and i really like the width and sweep. On my ‘21 appaloosa the reach was good, some might consider it too long. i think itd probably be nice on an older atlantis, just assuming that it would have a shorter top tube. very solid bars of course, no flexy. One of the coolest looking bars, I’ll always have them in the collection i think, I’m a perpetual bar swapper. I have the tig version, wish they were the fillet but both are good. 

[exliontamer]

Serious thanks to everyone for the photos & advice! I think I'm going to go for a set. Seems like looking at the photos it will suit my height, build, and even my setup on the Atlantis. I set my Cheviot back up with Albatross bars and while there's nothing wrong with having multiple bikes with the same bar, variety is just more fun. 

[larson....@gmail.com]

I am a fan of the bullmoose bars. On my 62cm Appaloosa I like them when the bike is set up as my ATB with bigger tires and more off road ready. I initially thought they were too stiff as I had some wrist and shoulder pain.Ergon grips solved this issue and I find them comfortable. I do set my bike up with Billie bars during the summer for road/gravel riding, and like them as well. I like the aesthetic of the bullmoose and probably could make them work for all of my riding.

Randy in WI

[P W]

Love that big boy Appa, Randy.

More photos, please!

P. W.

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[Matthew Pendergraft]

I like'em and rode them today.

A couple notes:

1. Integrated stem - less adjustability. Can't play with stem (horizontal)length/reach nor rise/drop

2. Cant slam it completely, if you wanted/needed to, bc of built in rise

3. No clamp = no slippage there

4. Sweep angle, reach etc. - to each their own

I have them all the way up on an old ('84?) StumpJumper and that setup handles bad, terrible with a front load, but I blame that on the super slack head tube angle.

Send unwanted bullmoosees to me please :)

Happy to trade for drops or something 

Next build gets the chocomoose or Bosco moose I forget. 

-Matthew P

San Diego / Kumeyaay

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[larson....@gmail.com]

Thanks P.W. - here are three more.

Randy in WI

[James M]

Lovely bullmooses in here.  I have the choco-moose on my Hunq - which I love - but I'm intrigued about the possibilities of the bullmoose for trail riding...

James

[Max S]

This thread really makes me want to find a green Hunqapillar to put that bullmoose bar on... 

- Max "and this is how we ended up with so many bikes..." in A2

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[David Sprunger]

This has been an interesting discussion with some great pictures. 

I had the unplated version of the Nitto Bullmoose on my first-generation Bombadil. It looked sharp with my clear coated frame, but something about the angles made my wrists hurt after I rode more than a few miles. 

I switched to the Boscomoose and never went back.

David Sprunger

North Newton, KS

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[Brian Turner]

bullmoose bars certainly look cool and have the extra stiffness that's often welcomed for trail riding... but as others have mentioned, the biggest downside is the lack of adjustability. The specifics of the bars have to pretty much match what is needed for your position on the bike, give or take the slight height adjustment ability. For example, I recently acquired a set of Tosco-moose bars from another member here, and I had long been searching for these for my Gus. The length matched the stem length I'd been using on my standard Tosco bars and Ron's Ortho bars but I miss just a slight bit of downward angle adjustment that I had with a standard stem. It's not enough to make them uncomfortable, but it's something to consider.

Brian

Lex KY

[maxcr]

Just to add more pics to the thread, here is my Bombadill with Bullmoose bars and my Atlantis with the unpopular Bull bar on a faceplater.

I'm 5'11" with long arms and long legs and the Bullmoose feels comfortable for trails and rough stuff - they are super stiff so they inspire confidence. I don't love the Ourys and might swap em for Ergons (thanks for the tip Randy). I also have a set of Ortho Bars that I've considered swapping out for, but that won't happen just yet.

With the Altantis, there's more wiggle room around height and angle, but honestly I set them up very similarly.

Max

[larson....@gmail.com]

Great looking Bombadil and Atlantis!

Randy in WI

[P W]

Max, 

I will fight you to the death for it.

P. W.

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On Apr 18, 2024, at 8:51 AM, Max S <msh...@gmail.com> wrote:

This thread really makes me want to find a green Hunqapillar to put that bullmoose bar on... 

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[larson....@gmail.com]

Count me in on the fracas for a green Hunqapillar if it is a 62cm! Always thought this would be my dream bike.

Randy in WI

[Josh C]

I like them but prefer a slightly wider bar these days. Here is my bullmoose rig but as of yesterday afternoon this bike is being swapped over to a drop bar setup.