OT but at least as good as Dylan: help finding best source for some digital music

[Patrick Moore]

I grew up with vinyl LPs and transitioned to cassettes (magnetic tape, not HG) and CDs easily enough, but navigating MP3 or whateverthehell current formats are is something I find confusing.

I'd like to get, in particular, these 2 albums: Jerry Garcia and David Grisman, "Shady Grove," and (ditto), The Pizza Tapes. 

Is there any secure and reliable source from which to pay online by PP or CC and download the whole albums to one's computer?

Not long ago I bought the Complete Works of JS Bach on 142 or so CDs, and have had to beg and pay people to convert them to files I can store on my computer and on a separate hard drive. 

In anticipated appreciation of all y'alls help, I append this, which sufficiently proves the reasonableness of my desire.

Note: This track is pure "just ride" music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W91XCNix2tg

Thanks.

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Patrick Moore

Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

[Jared Wilson]

Have you given Spotify a shot? 

You can "download" albums and songs for offline listening, plus lots available for streaming when you're in service.

Not the same as having it on a hard drive but pretty nice for when you're going down the road feeling bad.

Love The Pizza Tapes and the lore behind them, and Shady Grove is a masterpiece as well, then again anything Garcia and Grisman touch is bound to be gold.

-Jared in SLO, CA

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Jared. As I understand Spotify - and please correct me if I am wrong - you don't own the music you get through them. 

I want to own my own files so that if the vendor disappears from the face of the earth, I still have full access and control of the music.

If Spotify lets you download your own files and then leave Spotify behind forever after, I'll be interested to hear more.

Thanks, Patrick

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[Jared Wilson]

Patrick, 

You understand correctly, which is the main downside to their service.

I'll keep you posted if I figure out a means of obtaining either album in MP3 format.

Best

Jared in SLO

[Jared Wilson]

Found via /Gratefuldead on Reddit

Pizza Tapes Google Drive Download

[rlti...@gmail.com]

Both of those albums are available digitally from Amazon. About $10 each. Amazon usually sells their MP3 files at about 256 mbps. Not audiophile quality but decent. These files are able to be downloaded to your pc or streamed through their music app. 

High quality FLAC downloads are likely available from High Def Tracks and likely at a higher cost. I’ve never used them but many on the music forums I read do with good results.

https://www.hdtracks.com/

Robert Tilley

San Diego, CA

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[Paul Brodek]

I may be missing something here, but if your computer is old/weird enough to still have an onboard CD/DVD drive you can rip your own digital files from your own CDs for zero cost. If you don't have an onboard drive, $15-$35 or so will buy you a separate/portable one. No need to beg/pay folks to do it for you?

Ripping your own files lets you choose the quality/sizing you want. I'll often do a reasonably med-/high-quality mp3, and add a flac version as well if I want the good stuff.

It's not a panacea, there are times the disc won't offer up file details, especially apparently with imported discs, and you can get further caught up in "Which ripper software should I use?" rabbit holes. But it's an easy process, e-z to do while I'm otherwise already on my computer perusing ibob/etc, yadda yadda yadda.

If you're looking for digital files from discs you don't have on hand, then you have the option/decision whether to just buy the files, or buy the CD and rip it yourself. These days I'm more often buying files i/o discs for music I don't own, since I don't often play the discs after I've ripped them. 

BTW, if you're looking for Garcia/Grisman, be aware that there is now a 3-disc Complete Pizza Tapes release. It's got all the outtakes/partials/chatter/fragments, worth it if you're that nerdy. It's the one-disc Lefty Frizell fragment times 25 or so. I bought the files for this one because I didn't feel like I needed the discs.

Weird aside, when I spent a lot of time running between Japan-US I jumped into the MiniDisc format, since it was the smallest physical format available. I found myself in Chicago, waiting to board a flight, and who did I see also waiting for the same flight but "Dawg" Grisman himself. I spotted him, realized I was listening to Shady Grove on my MiniDisc at the time, and wondered how I could acknowledge my regard for his music, and also get an autograph or something, without unduly disturbing him and coming off like a jackass. I ejected my disc and wondered whether I had a pen, only to realize there was absolutely no physical space on the disc for any possible signage. I popped it back in, shrugged, and decided to just listen/enjoy and leave him be. But we coulda been best friends, I do know that in my heart of hearts.......

Paul "Jackass" Brodek

Hillsdale, NJ USA 

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, This seems to be a private and not a commercial site ...? I want an online store for purchase of the albums.

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[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Robert. I looked on Amazon myself before asking, and for some reason didn't find them, but looking just now -- sure enough.

MP3 is good enough for me

 

Thanks again.

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[Patrick Moore]

Spoke too soon. Amazon wants to save the album to the cloud. I want to save it to my hard drive. Any thoughts on this?

Thanks.

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[Patrick Moore]

I just purchased Shady Grove; "save to cloud." OK. Sales-completed window has option to check for "download your music." I click on it, I get Amazon's G-d Amazon Music window offering me a free trial.No sign of my purchase.

Looked on Manage Your Content and Devices. All the books show, no music.

Any ideas?

It's only $10, but still, *$#^$&^#)+!!!!

[Patrick Moore]

Correction: CLiced many times on Download Your Music and it just refreshes the page; nothing happens.

[Jared Wilson]

Hey Paul

I had good luck with downloading the Pizza Tape files from Google Drive, not for purchase but available for download for free via a fellow deadhead.

Best

Jared

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[Jim Kramka]

HDTracks.com has both of those Grisman/Garcia recordings and two others as well.

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[Eric Marth]

Hi Patrick -- For this and any other release I'd recommend seeking out the record label and getting the music directly from them, especially when seeking stuff outside of the mainstream on smaller labels. In this case the label is Acoustic Disc / Acoustic Oasis. They released the original CDs.  They also have tons of other great Grisman, Garcia, Rice, Old & In the Way records and associated acts. 

Here's a link to the page where you can download the Pizza Tapes mp3s directly for $10. 

[Eric Marth]

EDIT: And the three-disc expanded "Extra Large Edition" of the Pizza Tapes is here at Acoustic Disc with mp3 download for $20. 

[Eric Marth]

EDIT PART 2: They also have Shady Grove. Of course. 

Sorry for the edits! Best of luck and ENJOY these tunes, Patrick! 

[Patrick Moore]

Good idea; thanks for this. If I can buypass Amazon and iTunes I'll be happier.

For the record, after much sweating and fury and shouting I managed to stumble across a download button that worked and got it onto my computer. Then I fumbled and futzed and shouted some more and got it from the computer onto iTunes on my separate hard drive.

I will have to see about getting all of this stuff onto Windows Media Player.

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[rlti...@gmail.com]

Amazon’s app for my PC is a bit wonky and never lets me download digital music I have purchased. I use their web link to the music I have bought from them to download any files I need. I am a physical media nerd so most of my music I rip from cd’s. The Amazon Music phone app always lets me download to my phone when needed.

Robert Tilley

who ripped 10 cd’s today while working from home in San Diego, CA 

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[Jared Wilson]

Patrick

Apologies for using the wrong name above, I was in the dentist waiting room and had a brain fart.

Best

Jared 

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Hey Paul

[Garth]

Of course all this is waaay o/t ..... and bringing Dylan into the discussion doesn't make it less so....at least it adds some variety to the usual. ((( laughing )))

Even funnier is I find the Dead or Dylan or any like music appalling ..... but I won't let that get in the way of good story.

I have no experience with this website, but you can apparently purchase the albums to download the 320kbps mp3(compressed) and flac files(uncompressed, comparatively large files).  Mp3's for listening on digital devices and flac for either burning to CD or computer listening. 

You'll find relevant albums at the bottom of these pages. 

https://us.7digital.com/artist/jerry-garcia-and-david-grisman

https://us.7digital.com/artist/jerry-garcia-david-grisman-and-tony-rice

[Patrick Moore]

Jared: I am in no way offended. Paul is a noble name.

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[Patrick Moore]

Thanks again, Eric; just downloaded Pizza Tapes.

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[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, all. the 2 albums have been purchased and downloaded successfully.

[Nick Payne]

Most of my music is ripped from physical CDs, of which I must have somewhere around 1000, but I have purchased some recordings via iTunes. Once I have the music files downloaded in iTunes, I back them up a) to my media server, and b) to my phone, and I play them either from the media server - my Marantz amp can stream digital files from the server - or I use the Foobar2000 app on  the phone to play them, either through BT headphones or through the car music system. So even if Apple and iTunes vanish from the face of the earth (one can only hope), I will still be able to play the files.

Nick

[Philip Barrett]

Both of your albums are available to download on MP3Fiesta.com - https://mp3fiesta.com/search/?text=garcia+grisman

Before you scream scam site, I cannot attest to the copyright legality of MP3 Fiesta (they're based in Russia) but I have been using them for nearly 2 decades (they pre-dated iTunes) and have never had an issue with billing & even the very few times I got a corrupted download they responded immediately to rectify.

[greenteadrinkers]

Check out Archive.org endless collection of live Dead shows downloadable in whatever format you need, mostly free.

https://archive.org/search.php?query=grateful+dead&page=3

[greenteadrinkers]

Wait - looks like a good bit of the stuff on the Archive is Stream only, still, an amazing resource.

[Michael Morrissey]

Save your money for bikes and just listen to the Grateful Dead on Relisten.net

Here's a nice one:

https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1970/05/01/me-and-my-uncle?source=335704

If it's free, it's for me.

M.

[John A. Bennett]

At least as good as Dylan? Whaaaat? Call me confused! 

https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/static/uploads/2020/03/Watch-Bob-Dylans-iconic-San-Francisco-press-conference-1965-768x586.jpg

John in Portland, Ore.

[Philip Williamson]

Thanks Nick for the Foobar2000 recommendation. If I dig into it, it might be what I’ve been looking for since I downloaded all my Google Play Music tracks and Apple Music Match failed to match most of them. I’m enjoying Apple Music now that it’s got lossless, but I still want an offline library of my own music.

The Web Archive is great. You can listen to old 78 recordings! When we left Portland I sold my turntable and all my records, including a box of rare 78s to a guy who followed me out of the record store that wasn’t interested in them. As the guy scampered away with his $5.00 crate of shellac, my friend shook his head and said, “He looks way too happy.” Up until last week when I checked the Web Archive, I’d never seen some of those songs anywhere, but the Andrew’s Sisters “Avocado Song” is up there free for all. I got that guy’s $5 and he probably threw out his back hustling that crate down the street.

Philip

Sonoma County, Calif

[Patrick Moore]

Yah! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W91XCNix2tg

Jerry Garcia and compadre channeling Mississippi John Hurt (an orig vers here: https://youtu.be/vPuj2dUeyJ4) but doing it better. And Whiskey in the Jar, etc.

Seriously, I've been listening to Bob since 1969, so I'm not deprecating his very obvious genious. (I also had a small MJH collection, not to mention the obvious Muddy Waters, BB King, etc etc etc.)

Funny anecdote; at least, funny to me: one of my favorite albums circa 1969 was Dylan's Blonde on Blonde -- I still think it's one of his best. I recall teenage insomnia, when I would leave my bed, go to the "parlour," the sitting room for our children's part of the house, where my father had installed his castoff Phillips stereo when he upgraded. I'd take the speakers off the wall where they were hanging, set up a pallent on my floor and sit the speakers one by each ear, and listen to my faves. My parents were in the new part of the house, about a half-mile away, and the 2 of my 3 siblings who slept in the old part slept soundly.

Anyway, 52 years later, my daughter's boyfriend, a musician, very sweetly presented me with that same Blonde on Blonde album; only now, I have nothing to play it on. I'll use it as wall art.

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[Paul Brodek]

1. "Somebody" needs a turntable. I'm sure ibob can hook you up.

2. My oldest son was what we still evidently call colicky. There were only 3 surefire routes to a subtle rocking sleep:

a. Missippi John Hurt, "Best Of" (Oberlin College, '65): He could not last beyond Here I Am, Lord Send Me/I Shall Not Be Moved/Nearer My God To Thee. Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

b. Keith Jarrett+, Standards Vol I: God Bless The Child was the magic cut---but this was only available in Laser Disc for years, so cuing that all up etc was quite the production.

c. Me singing "Cockles and Mussels," in the worst fake Irish accent possible; don't know where that came from, maybe from mom's rural Tenn childhood? Though I never heard her sing it. Definitely not with my mostly German dad. All I took away from that was the childhood horrors of Struwwelpeter. Cockles & Mussels took 3 or 4 cycles/renditions for sleep to arrive, but I could sing it without having to power up a musical reproduction device.

3. I've had some recent insomnia, and there's been some MJH, Garcia/Grisman, also Coltrane/Coleman/Miles/Monk, and lots of Leonard Cohen. I find the musical content taking precedence over the reproduction quality, so low-volume smartphone playback substitutes nicely in place of Patrick's wayback speaker sandwich; also bone induction headphones are comfy to fall asleep to. Oh, and BTW to Patrick, there's something to be said for lumping a whole bunch of digitized files together and being able to hit Play and get 100 cuts of whatever floats yer boat to unspool into your brain.

If there's an off-ramp back to On-Topic Land, youngest son is now 28, wondering where his childhood went, and I'm busy scheming ways to get him to take away 2-3 of my bikes as "his," convenient because both boys and me fit the same size bikes. I'm sure he wouldn't mind me borrowing one of "his" bikes if I drop in...

Paul Brodek

Hillsdale, NJ USA

[Patrick Moore]

I think I'll let my daughter find a turntable -- her gen finds them appealing, I guess, how we Boomers find wind-up Victrolas -- and have her make a digital copy with all the hisses scratches and pops.

Seriously, I do have B-o-B in MP3 format.

"Album." Now there's an out-of-date term; even LPs weren't truly "albums," which named thick collections of shellac 78s in bound sleeves. (I do remember turntables with 78, 45, and 33 1/3 rpm speed selections, though.)

I sang to my infant daughter too, mostly old American folk songs. She's never forgiven me in the 20 years of her life. Kidding, but I expect I got as much pleasure from it as she.

Back to bikes: I wish my daughter would ask me to build her a RBW-ian type bike, but she's artsy rather than bikey.

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[Nick Payne]

On Monday, 15 November 2021 at 10:38:48 am UTC+11 Patrick Moore wrote:

"Album." Now there's an out-of-date term; even LPs weren't truly "albums," which named thick collections of shellac 78s in bound sleeves. (I do remember turntables with 78, 45, and 33 1/3 rpm speed selections, though.)

At school in the early 1960s I can remember our music teacher playing us Act 2 of Tristan and Isolde on 78s. Rather spoilt the flow of the opera, though, when he had to leap up and change the disc every four or five minutes.

Nick