Anyone Tried RH Snoqualmie Pass on a Sam?

[Tim Bantham]

Thinking about new tires for my Sam. Has anyone fit the 700x44 Rene Herse Snoqualmie pass? My Sam is circa 2014 and has Paul Racers. Easily clears a 38 so I am thinking about going ever larger to the 44. Anyone out there who has tried this tire on their  non-canti Sam?

Tim

[Eliot Balogh]

Can’t speak to your tire clearance but I just put these tires on my gravel bike (measured 43.75 for the extra light on 25mm ID rims) and they’re fricken amazing. Feel fast on the road and capable of up to medium gravel. 

On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 6:17 PM Tim Bantham <tba...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thinking about new tires for my Sam. Has anyone fit the 700x44 Rene Herse Snoqualmie pass? My Sam is circa 2014 and has Paul Racers. Easily clears a 38 so I am thinking about going ever larger to the 44. Anyone out there who has tried this tire on their  non-canti Sam?

Tim

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[Brian Cunningham]

Tim,

I’ve got the same era Sam but with the tektro r559 brakes. Tire clearance is sufficient for those 44s, but when I’ve run them I haven’t been able to get the tires to pass through the brake calipers fully inflated, so I’d have to finish inflating after getting the tires in place. Not sure how those brakes compare with Paul Racers in terms of the size of the opening.

Brian

[Adam]

Yes, I've got that setup and it's great. I only have a Racer on the front, tektro 559 on the back, but there's plenty of clearance. You do have to deflate the tire to get it on/off, but I've never felt that was much of an issue, since I rarely take off the wheel unless I've got a flat or am changing tires or whatever. The time it is REALLY annoying is if you ever get into mud, because then you have to deflate the tire to scrape off the mud, but those tires are so horrible in the mud anyway, that seems unlikely.

I even have the 52mm VO fenders on there as well. It's kind of tight and I take them off if I'm doing anything much off road, but they are fine--IMO--for road riding.

Good luck,

Adam

[Patrick Moore]

Question for everyone who is using Snoqualmie Passes: what is the actual width on your rims, and on how wide are your rims?

Thanks.

[Tim Bantham]

Hmmm. You all have me thinking about giving them a try. It is an expensive experiment however. I've have found through the years that a 38mm tire feels ideal on a Sam. Maybe I should stick with it since I ride 90% on pavement with it. Just because I can fit them doesn't necessarily mean that I should. I doubt I would have a much different experience with the Snoqualmie's over the Barlow Pass. I am riding Velocity Quill Rims which are nice and wide a 21mm interal width.

[Patrick Moore]

One disadvantage, perhaps a minor one for a given rider, is that (at least IME) tires much fatter than ~32 mm do make the handling less "crisp" than narrower tires; for example, the otherwise very nice ride of the 42 mm Naches Pass is slightly less "agile" than that of the simply superbe 29 mm Elk Pass. 

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[Al DeNooyer]

I'm running 38's as well but with fenders. I'd imagine those RH 44's would be no problem. I do have a canti same though.

[J C]

Tim, you should be good to go. The RH 44s generally run small. I've fit them under the tektro sidepulls on my 2014 blue Sam no problemo!

-James

On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 6:23:42 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

[Eric Marth]

Hi Tim — I have a 2009 Sam Hillborne and I run Snoqualmie Pass tires with Paul MiniMoto brakes. No trouble removing the tires, no need to deflate. Looks like I'd have room for up to a 48mm without fenders. 

The RH tires are certainly expensive but I've found the extralight and endurance casings are the best, the standard casings just so-so.  The extralights are dreamy and, in my experience, faster tires. 

[Tim Bantham]

Eric, that is a beautiful build! I wish my Sam looked as nice. I've decided to go for the 44 Snoqualmie's. I'll post pictures once I get them set up. Thanks for the inspiration!

[Charlie]

Hey Tim,

I rode the Snoqualmie Pass tires on my Sam with Paul Racers and VO fenders and never had any issues. Really loved those tires. Now I have some Oracle Ridge 48mm and they have a good amount of clearance. No fenders though!

[Tim Bantham]

Thanks Charlie, Cheers to you as a fellow DTT Sam rider. I also have that same crankset. I've decided to go for the 44's. I think I will fit them no problem. Photos to follow.

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, Tim. The original build video is here: https://youtu.be/0OmJRDn5R8I 

Since the video I replaced the crank with a SunXCD 44/26 and the front and rear derailers with Suntour Cyclones. The rear cassette is one of the S-Ride 7 speeds, 12-32, I believe. 

[Eric Marth]

Oh, also added Campagnolo front and rear skewers that I found in a dumpster and a Suntour seat post clamp.