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Joel:There are many lights out there that will make you more visible to vehicles, but I wouldn’t bet my life on any of them. I believe there’s more safety in being aware of what’s happening around you at all times, wearing brightly colored/contrasting clothing, and assuming that motorists don’t see you.If you *do* use lights bright enough to be seen in daylight, I beg you to think twice about using them at night. The new super-bright taillights, when used at night, make it impossible for anyone to ride behind you safely. All the person behind you can see is a bright red glow.I’ve ranted about this before, so I won’t go on much longer here. But … please be considerate of anyone behind you—and people coming at you on the bike trail and end up getting blasted by your daylight-bright headlight.
I recommend a taillight like the PDW “Daybot,” which offers a bright daytime option and a less bright (but still bright enough) nighttime setting that also provides longer runtimes (because no taillight will work with dead batteries).
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I think it's really that simple...dynamo running lights that don't blind and are always on, and a loud bell that you ring every time you cross an intersection or see someone.
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Joel: I'm glad you were not hit,Ads appear from time to time advertising the "brightest tail light" and while I've not seen any recently I think NiteRider and Cygolight make 2 of the bright ones. But I wonder if bright lights, any more than neon-yellow clothing, will make much difference in bright sunlight -- "studies showed" that clothing color didn't.What happened?On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 3:55 PM Joel <jrst...@gmail.com> wrote:2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in daylight. I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more visible, your thoughts and experiences are welcome.ThanksJoel
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Some lady coming out of a store parking light decided she could beat me (going straight on the road) less than 200 feet away. Really pissed me off. Then on my next turn a white BMW driven by a kid from another lot came up really fast trying to avoid stopping before turning. I usually cut through a lot to a quiet area then get on the bike path to a road less travelled in the quiet suburbs where there are
no shops. Will be doing that again. These drivers are just selfish. I always look for cyclist to give them right if way,
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Joel: I'm glad you were not hit,Ads appear from time to time advertising the "brightest tail light" and while I've not seen any recently I think NiteRider and Cygolight make 2 of the bright ones. But I wonder if bright lights, any more than neon-yellow clothing, will make much difference in bright sunlight -- "studies showed" that clothing color didn't.What happened?
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Thanks. You are right about US drivers, Unless they also are cyclists most are clueless
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Interesting subject all around.
Airplane studies, for both the Air Force and the FAA, indicate that 4 cycles per second is the optimum flash rate for getting a pilot’s attention. I use a Planet Bike Beamer 80 for the front, and Planet Bike Grateful Red taillight, both on quick flash mode. They let folk know I’m there, without blinding anybody. But here in the US I try to stay on the bike trail and off the roads.
German bikes (at least 2002 - 2005 when I lived there) were required to come with a head and tail light, generally dynamo driven with those little snap-down-on-your-tire dynamos. They were also required to have reflectors in the spokes and reflectors front and rear on the pedals. You could always take these off, but that’s the way they were sold. Apparently a study had been done and this was determined to be the most cost effective set of safety items, for both day and night.
For road touring, we’d add a light fluorescent green vest for daylight, and sometimes a pair of reflective ankle straps for night. Dorky, sure, but you can see those vests pretty well on a moving bicyclist.
I would say that US drivers have an order of magnitude less consideration for bicyclists than their European counterparts. If I do plan on going on the road here for any distance, I still take that dorky green vest.
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Joel:There are many lights out there that will make you more visible to vehicles, but I wouldn’t bet my life on any of them. I believe there’s more safety in being aware of what’s happening around you at all times, wearing brightly colored/contrasting clothing, and assuming that motorists don’t see you.If you *do* use lights bright enough to be seen in daylight, I beg you to think twice about using them at night. The new super-bright taillights, when used at night, make it impossible for anyone to ride behind you safely. All the person behind you can see is a bright red glow.I’ve ranted about this before, so I won’t go on much longer here. But … please be considerate of anyone behind you—and people coming at you on the bike trail and end up getting blasted by your daylight-bright headlight.I recommend a taillight like the PDW “Daybot,” which offers a bright daytime option and a less bright (but still bright enough) nighttime setting that also provides longer runtimes (because no taillight will work with dead batteries).
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With respect to visibility and lighting, I read somewhere that overall visibility is correlated with the size of the light, rather than its intensity. This made sense to me because lights don't have infinite energy supplies, so your 1 watt of LED light energy can be concentrated into one small cone (beam?) of retina-searing capability, or diffused into a wide-angle slab that has a higher chance of being noticed by those who are not exactly in the cone of blindness. In fact, all motorized vehicles appear to have the diffused type of light, even if some can be diffused and bright.The usual light marketing copies often remind me of way back, when computers were marketed solely on their clock speed instead of actual ability to function in a useful manner. We see lumen being bandied about all the time to sell lights, but that is a fairly useless metric because having a lot of light doesn't mean that light is being put to good use; what's useful is lux at a specific distance (let's say 10m), like with StVZO standards.
... Yes, Lumens is not really relevant to overall visibility or the ability to see at night and is merely a measure of Brightness or Intensity, Overall visibility is represented by the LUX measurement which actually measures the area of usable illumination. Most German manufacturers use this rating system, but some manufacturers don't (to my knowledge) I have some SuperNova lights that I like quite a bit and their advertising would make it sound like they would scorch the surface of the earth, but they don't really seem any brighter that my 70LUX B&M's!!?? All the ratings that I see for them are in Lumens not Lux?
One thing I always say and apologizes if you've heard it before, " 4 things that should require an IQ test & don't: Getting a Drivers License, Voting, Jury Duty, and buying a gun." Maybe you could add getting a marriage certificate and/or having Kids? LOL