Wanted: Jones LWB

[Joe D.]

Good morning!

I know there are lots of Jones Bikes aficionados amongst the Riv crowd, so I figured this post is worth a try. I'm in the market for a Jones Plus LWB (now just called the LWB). And although the Jones Complete LWB bikes are now a very reasonable price new, I thought I'd see if there are any used possibilities out there.

I'm open to an earlier version of the Complete bike (they're up to version 3 now). Also open to a Custom Select frame (the one with the truss fork and eccentric bottom bracket) that you've built up, or just the frame/fork itself.

Ideally local to western/central Montana, but I know that's unlikely so we'd have to work out shipping.

Thanks!

Joe

[Eric Daume]

Jones is having a sale right now, $500 off complete bikes. They don’t come up used very often. 

Eric

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[Patrick Moore]

Man, I am tempted -- $1295.00 for a complete SWB. But I'll refrain: I really like the fit and feel and riding position and geometry and dimensions of that fat-tire Matthews, this with 42 cm RH Maes Parallels; and a second wheelset with (in fact: tubeless, EL, 27mm IW rims) 60 mm Fleecer Ridges will provide enough sand float for a multiple gear bike on which I can gear down for deeper sand (the Monocog has 3" Rangers).

[Mojo]

I have a Jones LWB in my quiver of seven bikes and it gets ridden the most. I can imagine selling other bikes, but not the Jones. The long stable wheelbase, lowish BB, short-upright cockpit, fast steering (for offroad, 75 mm trail), room for 3+" tires, all combine to make a unique and fun bike. I recommend the sale.

Joe, riding the Jones this morning before the atmospheric river arrives, in GJT

[Ryan Frahm]

I am another vote to pick up a Jones on sale! I prefer the SWB for most of my riding but the LWB sis awesome in its own way. The SWB has replaced all of my other bikes. Though I still need to sell a Tanglefoot Hardtack. Drop bars just don’t work for me…

[Patrick Moore]

I've thought of a Jones, but have refrained because I'm very attached to my usual drop bar riding position even for off road (the light off-roading I do). 

I don't suppose you can comfortably install a drop bar on a Jones?

And, I expect also that Joneses have widish Q factors (>160 mm)?

Questions in the form of suppositions.

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[Mojo]

Patrick,

With a Surly Offset Double crank, my Q factor is 175mm.

If you want to discuss ideas about the Jones, give Jeff a call. Set aside plenty of time. tel:541-535-2034

Joe

[Eric Daume]

Hey Ryan,

At the risk of getting dangerously OT for the RBW list, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the SWB vs LWB. I've owned two LWBs, but I'm currently Jones-less. 

I enjoyed the LWB, but for my type of riding (either local road riding, or throw the bike in the car and drive to a mountain bike trail), the mixed mode capability of the LWB was kind of wasted on me.

Eric

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[Ryan Frahm]

Hi Eric! The LBW is a tough one for me. I bought the complete and it was an absolute beast. I love the handling on the SWB for around town and it feels like it rides much lighter and playful even though the weight isn’t much different. Pointing the LWB down a rocky trail with a full camp load is a joy and where the bike shines. I dream of a Ti LWB if I could afford one honestly. I think the SWB makes a better commuter and all around bike though. I don’t hesitate to recommend either as long as speed is not a priority. 
The sale price on the v2 SWB is such a great deal in my opinion!

[Joe D.]

Look at the tires on that trailer!

[DavidP]

Patrick, I have a Jones 29 with dropbars (Ritchey Beacon XL) and love it, though things may have changed enough that it may not work as well on a current Jones SWB.

My 2013 Jones 29 (back then Jones frames only came in one size) has a relatively short ETT and works well with something like an Analog Gnomehopper stem to get the dropbars high and close.

Bike Insights does let you compare the geometry of a Jones SWB to something like a Surly Ghost Grappler or other dropbar MTB to get an idea if it might work for you.

-Dave

[Richard Rose]

Eric, for what it’s worth I owned & loved a Jones 29, the standard Jones bike that evolved into the SWB. Jones had introduced the LWB & I think decided to call there existing model the SWB. The Jones 29 was never called a “plus” bike but it comfortably fit a 29” x 3” tire up front and a 29” x 2.6” rear. The front could actually handle a full 26” x 4” fat tire as I recall. My bike was the Diamond frame with Unicrown fork, not the space frame or truss fork. It was a great all around bike. Fantastic rigid MTB & capable bikepacking rig. I actually had a second set of wheels with 2.25” smooth tires for commuting. I admit to being very curious about the LWB but started to have difficulty throwing a leg over the bike due to back issues. Thus led me down the road of being interested in a Clem Smith Jr. “L”. And the rest, including the Jones, is history.

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[Eric Daume]

Thanks Ryan. I’m tempted by the sale prices (again) but I think I’ll keep on enjoying my $100 psuedo Jones for now.  At least until the itch gets too strong (one consideration for me: Jones, kind of like Riv, doesn’t really have an equivalent out there. If they left the scene, there’s no easy backup)

Eric 

On Tuesday, February 6, 2024, Ryan Frahm <fra...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Eric! The LBW is a tough one for me. I bought the complete and it was an absolute beast. I love the handling on the SWB for around town and it feels like it rides much lighter and playful even though the weight isn’t much different. Pointing the LWB down a rocky trail with a full camp load is a joy and where the bike shines. I dream of a Ti LWB if I could afford one honestly. I think the SWB makes a better commuter and all around bike though. I don’t hesitate to recommend either as long as speed is not a priority. 
The sale price on the v2 SWB is such a great deal in my opinion!

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[Doug H.]

That is a nice Stumpy, Eric!

Doug

On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 2:32:56 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:

Thanks Ryan. I’m tempted by the sale prices (again) but I think I’ll keep on enjoying my $100 psuedo Jones for now.  At least until the itch gets too strong (one consideration for me: Jones, kind of like Riv, doesn’t really have an equivalent out there. If they left the scene, there’s no easy backup)

Eric 

On Tuesday, February 6, 2024, Ryan Frahm <fra...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Eric! The LBW is a tough one for me. I bought the complete and it was an absolute beast. I love the handling on the SWB for around town and it feels like it rides much lighter and playful even though the weight isn’t much different. Pointing the LWB down a rocky trail with a full camp load is a joy and where the bike shines. I dream of a Ti LWB if I could afford one honestly. I think the SWB makes a better commuter and all around bike though. I don’t hesitate to recommend either as long as speed is not a priority. 
The sale price on the v2 SWB is such a great deal in my opinion!

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[Doug H.]

Or, maybe not a Stumpjumper but looks good. What model is it?

Doug

[Eric Daume]

NOT a Stumpy. It's actually one of these:

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/expedition-sport/p/34996?color=79754-34996

I did just a few mods to it :)

It's a cheap and fun way to play with long chainstays and slack angles (but, aluminum and internal cable routing, so some Riv heresy)

Eric

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[Patrick Moore]

Thanks; I gathered that low Q is not a Jones design feature.

I did talk to him but never got the requested follow up information.

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[Patrick Moore]

David: Thanks, and noted about the Bike Insights site. 

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