11 speed with Silver DT shifters works great!

[Andrew Turner]

I'm sure to most, this is a 'no duh' situation but throwing my hat in for the approval vote regardless. If there are any die-hard 9 speed friction fans out there like me, this might be of interest. 

Before I thought:

A) the Silver DT shifters don't pull enough cable to fit 11 speed

B) I'd be spending the majority of the ride feathering the gears 

Wrong and wrong. It works shockingly well, perhaps even better than 8-9 speeds perhaps because there's simply less room to mess it up. Now I probably wouldn't enjoy it as much with shifters that didn't utilize the ratcheting system since I can feel how the ratchet sorta auto-corrects the right engagement point when I'm changing gears but that's a topic of personal taste. 

My setup is an Ultegra 6800 long cage rear mech, 11 speed chain, 11-34 105 cassette, and a Grand Cru 50.4 46-30 crankset.  

Obviously the downside of all this is cost but if anyone was building up something new and was 11 speed friction curious, give it a shot! 

[Patrick Moore]

Good to know; I know others have reported the same experience, but it's good to have volume of evidence. I don't have plans to go to 11 (I use 10), but who knows. 

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[Philip Williamson]

Andrew, your success makes me happy.

I did a 1x11 a few years ago, with a Silver downtube shifter. That feeling of “wait, this is EASIER,” was unexpected. I agree that it’s probably because there is less room to do it wrong.

Philip

Santa Rosa, CA

[Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA]

One should note that Shimano’s 11-speed MTB rear derailleurs require more cable pull to shift over 11 speeds than Shimano’s own 11-speed road rear derailleurs, like your Ultegra 6800. The difference is not trivial and exceeds 20%. Thus, one needs to qualify one’s statement about whether Silver DT shifters pull enough cable, because they may not for the MTB Dyna-Sys rear derailleurs that some favor for the larger gear capacity and chain wrap.

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-8 Andrew Turner wrote:

[lconley]

I just set up the shifting on my Riv Custom this weekend. I am using Silver 1 shifters with the shiny silver washer covers from Silver 2 shifters covering the black plastic washer. The shifters are mounted on the braze-ons on the headtube. The derailleurs are Campagnolo Athena 11s (all silver in color). The cassette is a Dura-Ace (12-28) 11 speed as is the chain (actually it required links from 2 chains - long chainstays). The crank is a Rene Herse 42-26 11 speed. Everything works together great. It requires close to 180 degrees of shifter travel for the rear derailleur but that makes it easier to find all 11 speeds. The silver 2s would require less shifter rotation, but they are kind of big and ugly as a frame shifter.

Now on to making the Rene Herse brakes play well with the Velocity Quill rims - the Rene Herse brake pads are 10mm wide and the braking surface on the Quills is 8mm wide. Either surgery on the pads or order Kool Stop smooth post Cross pads (7.5 mm wide).

Laing

Mixing and matching in Delray Beach FL

[Andrew Turner]

That sounds like a very impressive setup! I'd love to see a pic of your build if you find the time. 

I'm glad you brought up the 180 degrees of travel, that's certainly hitting the limiting factor of friction 11 speed with Silver shifters.While it can technically travel past 180 degrees (by a lot), I'm sure it'll eventually find contact with the cable, so VO's 11 speed-specific DT shifter might be better suited for modern mtb drivetrains or, dare I say, 12/13 speed shenanigans. I can attest that Riv's Silver2 barends do NOT have enough travel to hit 11 speed without some dremel work to the barpods. 

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