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Sent from my iPadOn Apr 24, 2021, at 8:01 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:I never had dyno until 2020, and now I have it on my 2 bikes.
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Leah,The advice you've gotten sounds wise, I think talking to Peter White first is a good idea. If you can show him your videos I'd be curious to hear what he thinks about this: Your Platy headlight is mounted behind the top of the fender and is throwing a big shadow directly in front, whereas the Clem light is unobstructed and much brighter. I wonder how much that shadow is affecting the situation.Joe Bernard
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On Apr 24, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Leah Peterson <jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,
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The rhythmic noise sounds like the chain barely grazing the front derailer, like what would happen if the chainring is ever so slightly out of round. In this scenario you could think you have the cage centered over the chain, then not notice the chain wobbling over to graze the cage while pedaling. This issue can be exacerbated by using a 9-speed (wider) chain with a 10-speed (narrower) derailer, which I suspect is the case on your bike.
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I contend that only doing it in the big/small rings means the fd isn't traveling far enough to clear the chain on that combo. On a 2-speed setup like this it's common for the rider to use the friction shifter like index: all the one way for the small ring, all the way the other for big. I think she's shifting all the way and the derailer is stopping a smidge short. Smartbrain 💡
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Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was technically developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates. While it works fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will introduce less pedalling resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it will produce less wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c wheel with a fattish tire will make fewer rotations per foot than an ideal 20" wheel, therefore producing less watts. Add a tail light to the equation and the hub will be hard-pressed to bring the headlight to full brightness.The SON28, on the other hand, is recommended for larger diameter wheels and situations involving additional lighting, i.e. a tail light, and device charging via USB. Probably not exactly what you want to hear, if you do have the SON Delux, but it could go a long way toward explaining your frustrating lack of light.
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On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Leah Peterson <jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
SON 28!
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That shouldn't matter for the Son Dynamos. Per their FAQ page:
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Sorry, I only say that because I have it setup on the left side on my Joe (or the right side on my Clem) and, while I have had issues noted above, It wasn't because of the hub orientation.
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Ben, Analog built the wheels and did the anodizing, Leah got the frame from Riv and had the rest of the build done locally, from what I recall
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Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: Do SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're extra stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos?
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Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: Do SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're extra stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos?
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Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight.
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Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, rlti...@gmail.com wrote:I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of those have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think those wear in.
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This is undoubtedly a stupid question but I like to hit the easy stuff just in case it got overlooked (like the car dies and the mechanic calls to say it's out of gas): Is the light in the On position? My Googling tells me you have On/Off/Auto and I don't see that it's obvious which position the switch is in.
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I never had dyno until 2020, and now I have it on my 2 bikes.1. 52 cm Clem L with 650b wheels: Shutter Precision hub with Edelux II headlight and fender mounted SON taillight2. 55 cm Platypus with 700c wheels: Schmidt SON hub with Edelux II headlight and fender mounted SON taillight.So: same lights but different generators.SON has the votes for best dyno ever, so I went with that for my Platy, but so far, it's not been as good as the SP. I know that cannot be, so something must be wrong with my setup of the SON, or possibly the hub/generator itself. I think it has been this way from the start; I always thought the differences were due to the mounting location of the light.We had both bikes out on a family ride and the Clem's light was blindingly bright - a veritable floodlight. The Platy's light appeared dim in comparison, even though I was riding the Platy at a faster speed. The Platy's rear light often flickers unless I am riding downhill, and the Clem's does not. I've checked the connections and as best as I can tell, there's nothing amiss. The Clem's headlight is front rack-mounted, and the Platy uses a fork-crown mount. I did a night ride with the Platy last night and was really underwhelmed by the beam. It is not the beam is blocked; it appears the light is just generally dimmed. I ride a dark path through the desert where there is wilderness on one side and homes distantly located on the other, no streetlights. I need good illumination; the Clem gives ample lighting but I feel like I'm straining to see on my Platy..Secondly, I hear something in the drivetrain or wheel set of the Platy. Almost like the sound of electrical current. It is only on the Platy, never the Clem. I have heard that the SON is supposed to be silent, but there is definitely noise coming from the bike, but I don't know if it's the hub.I'm going to take the bike to the shop that built it and see if they can figure out the noise and the dim light. If you have any words of wisdom or direction I could point them in, please let me know here.Things I have considered:1. Does the wheel size affect the difference in brightness?2. Does the mounting location affect the appearance of the beam? (I have tilted the Platy light this way and that so the beam doesn't fall on the front wheel, but no real difference was noted.)3. Maybe there is some tension on the wires somehow?********************************************************************Don't read past here if you don't want to be subjected to my angst. It is cathartic to talk to bike people about bike woes; no one else understands.I dread taking the bike in and presenting them with some obscure issues (What is this noise? Don't you hear it? Well, it's not doing it right NOW, but... My light is not bright enough! Can't you make it brighter?!) Most shops in Vegas don't know a thing about dyno; it took my LBS considerable time to suss out how to do it. So, I fear that the bike will come back to me in the same state and I will be slowly driven crazy by the sounds and the inferior lighting. Also, the Platy is special and I am overly attached to it. When things aren't right with it I am all sackcloth and ashes, wailing and gnashing of teeth over here.*******************************************************************Thanks for your insight!Leah
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I'll weigh in a on a few things
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On Apr 29, 2021, at 5:31 PM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote:
The Analog site shows a pink one in stock. Will they swap em for you, then let Schmidt deal with the light you sent back?
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Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight.
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I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of those have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think those wear in.
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Does this mean that the bike has to go back to the LBS one more time in order to get that headset mount installed?
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I ask because I'm "Curious George!" Since Peter spec'd a headset mount, that means taking off the bars/stem, unscrewing the headset lock nut, and installing the mount in place of a spacer. Then, the process is reversed, but it will mean playing around with the headset adjustable nut and the lock nut in order to achieve proper movement of the fork - not too tight and not too loose. Not sure if you have the spanners and flat wrenches to do that.
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I am reviving this old post just to see if the Edelux light was the culprit? I am installing Dynamo on my Clem currently (Thanks Roberta for the B&M Taillight!). I ordered a B&M headlight so won't be using the Edelux but want to know about Leah's issue resolution.
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