Knicker Quest

[Deacon Patrick]

Och! Me knickers are in a twist! Sardonic grin. I am looking for knickers to ride in and for daily wear (so not cycling spandex knickers, but more in the spirit of Riv’s knickers of yore)

My requirements are:

— casual/dressy look and fit (if they fit like jeans, I’m golden)

— loose enough to allow squatting and floor sitting, but not baggy

— quiet as cotton

— belt loop for 1.5” belt (like jeans)

— Elastic at the knee

— cool, breathable

The two I’ve found that may fit the bill are:

Zoik Reign: https://www.competitivecyclist.com/zoic-reign-bike-knicker-mens?skidn=ZOI004S-BK-M&ti=UExQIENhdDpNZW4ncyBDeWNsaW5nIEtuaWNrZXJzOjE6OTpjY0NhdDEwMDIyNg==

and Compass: https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/compass-knickers-2016/

Others I should look into?

With abandon,

Patrick

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[Justin, Oakland]

Swrve Regular fit may fit your bill.

-Justin

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, Justin. I’ve always been hesitant to try Swrve as they seem geared for pencil thin folks, as evidenced by the largest size I found in their knickers is a 33 waist. Sardonic grin. My waste measures at 34”, but in practice 36-38 is required in jeans so I have room to sit. That’s only gotten trickier since riding exclusively fixed (thicker legs, skinier waist). Shrug.

With abandon,
Patrick

[Howard Hatten]

I recently bought the Zoic Reign knickers but I haven’t been able to ride in them yet. They seem well made. Some sizing reference, I wear 38 Levi’s loose fit and the 2xl knickers fit perfect.
Recently on the BOB list there was some interest in these.
http://www.patagonia.com/product/mens-venga-rock-climbing-knickers/83091.html

Best
Howard
Livonia Mi

[Philip Reimer]

Mountain Equipment Co-op makes a pair. https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5035-508/Prankster-Knickers 

A good friend has a pair and says great things about them.

But it might be a bit of a hassle getting them out of country?

Phil

[sean]

I second the recommendation for Swrve knickers. Just picked some up and they're great. I find them true to size and they're stretchy so that always helps. They used to make a "sprinter cut" too for those of us who are of mighty thew!

Sean

ATX 

[Deacon Patrick]

I just spoke with Swrve. They are discontinuing all their knickers — so if you like them and they still have your size, snag um!

With abandon,
Patrick

[johnboy]

Just came across Fife Country Breeks .Don’t know if there is a US distributor. No experience with them personally. Keela makes some cycling specific pants ,Roadrunners. stretchy,warm,$80 to US .Seem well made ,but country of origin is unclear. John

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, folks! If you happen to have links, that would be wonderful.

With abandon,
Patrick

[Ian A]

Googled 'em: https://www.fifecountry.co.uk/mens/tweeds/edinburgh-tweed-breeks-9618

No experience, just posting my search find.

IanA

[Takashi]

Mont Bell sells wool knickers. 79% wool, to be exact.
Though it says "Trekking Knickers," looks like it targets cyclists, with reinforced seat area.
They don't fit your requirement in that:

• They have built-in waist belt, so they don't have belt loops.
• They have straps at knee, not elastic
  

If you're OK with above, I think they're great.

http://en.montbell.jp/products/goods/disp.php?product_id=1105512

Takashi

[Christopher Wiggins]

Jan does some knickers.  https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/compass-knickers-2016/

On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 1:59:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

[Belopsky]

I have a pair of Swvre knickers that are too small for me. They're a thicker fabric, 30 waist. Any takers? $45.

NEW

[Belopsky]

Good call! I used to love Mont-Bell - 

FYI for everyone if you start looking around, the montbell jp site does ship overseas

[Eric Norris]

I have a pair of the Compass knickers. I like them; my wife thinks they look silly. 

From a durability standpoint, the fabric seems a little thin to me, but they’ve given good service in the limited times I’ve worn them. You’ll need to wear something under the knickers—I usually wear padded Lycra shorts under mine.

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[Madam Xylene]

Try Jitensha Studio in Berkeley. I love the wool knickers I got from them as well as the wood argyle socks. They are very warm. I also have three pairs of Compass Bicycle knickers.  They are much sturdier than they look and work well in warmer weather.

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Eileen

Hiroshi had these made to his design by a Tokyo family business specializing in traditional climber's knickers. They are beautifully finished in 80/20 wool/nylon with leg grippers, buckle closures at the calf and in the back, and a combination of flap/button and button closure pockets. We also have socks. metric sizes (cm): 76, 80, 84, 88, 92, 96, 100, 104 U.S. sizes (inch): 28, 29.5, 31, 32.5, 34, 35.5, 37, 38.5 price: $245.00

To go with our wool blend knickers, we have socks. Right: Argyle Wool 64% Nylon 27% Polyester 8% Polyurethane 1% price: $35 Center: Dralon Acrylic 60% Wool 26% Polyester 13% Polyurethane 1% price: $30 Left: Beige Wool 59% Nylon 21% Polyester 19% Polyurethane 1% price: $32

[JClay]

I'm interested in more info wrt Jitensha and Rene-Herse knickers (particularly from Eileen!). Not interested in the Zoic or ordering from UK suppliers but I won't rule out other makers.

Are the Jitensha and RH knickers durable, particularly in high wear areas like the seat? Any design shortcomings or notable/useful details? Thick seam in the crotch and up to the center of the spine (like denim jeans)? Any user annoyances or particularly good details?

Jitensha are a wool blend: Durable? Tight weave? Wind resistant, thin/thick fabric, suitable for warm and/or cold? Knee (or entire assembly) lined in nylon (so it won't chafe)? Any other notable details? The Jitensha website is thin on photos.

The aft facing RH vent seems a clever touch for breathability; is the fabric itself wind resistant? I've heard that the fabric is fairly thin which makes me wonder about durability and wind permeability.

For background: I've been using a pair of surplus Italian Army, gabardine wool knickers in cold weather for nearly 10 years and I'm pretty happy with them. The fabric itself has wonderful attributes for outdoor use...which is probably why they used it!

I like that the gabardine wool, fabric weight and very tight, fine weave make them remarkably wind resistant but breathable enough to be useful over a wide temperature range, like freezing to 60F without anything but riding shorts and heavy knee socks.

The knees don't have nylon lining and when wet they rub my kneecaps raw enough to cause a scab to develop; it's not a problem when dry but it's a big problem when wet; 20 miles will do it so not really suitable for long rides in wet weather. Aside from that the fabric ticks all the functionality boxes.

The double seat is starting to wear in one area where, while riding, it folds over on itself and that crease is wearing out. It's not a fabric deficiency but the fold causes a wear problem right at the crease after a lot of use.

Five minutes with each of these in my hands would make this so easy.

Thanks,

John Clay

Tallahassee, FL

[Madam Xylene]

The Jitensha ones I have are a thicker more loosely woven wool. Sizing may be tricky but I live nearby so I could try them on. I’d go for the RH and I have several pairs. Fabric is thin synthetic but is very durable plus they dry quickly. Wool pants seats can be repaired by sewing ultra suede over rear area. Don’t gasp at price , it’s a synthetic but is extremely durable and is washable. I wear over the knee socks with all my pants and wear cycling shorts that cover my knees so I’ve never had any abrasion riding in rain.

Cheers

Eileen 

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[Dorothy C]

Why don’t you trace a pattern off the ones you have, add seam allowances, and sew a pair?
If you don’t know how to sew, there are lots of resources on line or from library books.

[Patrick Moore]

John: I've converted many pairs of good-wool dress pants into knickers by simply having them cut and hemmed at the right length (I like "plus 8") and then having velcro sewn on the ends to cinch them under the knee and over the long sock.

My best pair was a pair of wonderful, medium-thick but very supple pair of tan wool gabardines that would not wear at the rub points, never wrinkled, were warm in the cold and cool in the warmth, and didn't collect saddle stains despite their relatively light color. I foolishly sold them.

But currently, I've been taxing the nearby tailor's patience with a very elegant but old (straight legs, small pleats -- but men's fashion scuttlebutt says pleats are coming back!) -- pair of medium grey light (and very fine) flannel I Magnin dress slacks that I had cut, hemmed, lined from waist to knee in front (the slacks were lined from waist to knee, but with very thin fabric; I had this replaced with thicker) for cold as well as for wear, and a heavier lining placed outside in the crotch area -- I used photos of equestrian riding pants as a model.

All this does several things: It gives you wind protection where needed; it protects wear surfaces, inside and out, where needed; and -- this is very important to me -- it gives you the comfort of a full-cut dress pants for riding, with a waist that rises high enough that you don't feel anxious about insufficiencies between the bottom end of your jersey or vest or jacket and the top end of your pants -- a defect with the many cycling-specific knickers I've tried (not Rick Risemberg's, but he's no longer on the market).

My tailor isn't cheap, but he's good. He encourages me to look at Goodwill for good pants, and he'll convert them for $100-$150; perhaps, now, a bit cheaper, since he's used me as a guinea pig to learn what has to be done.

I've also had him tailor a pair of old, charcoal, mid-weight flannel Brooks Bros pants with the same inside and outside linings, plus pegging the legs, adding ankle zippers and an inside-right-leg-bottom chain-protection patch in the same material as for the crotch lining.

Now I am saving up for a pair of Dromartis in black for the ultimate in insouciant dressy cycling cool.

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[Grady Wright]

I have a couple pairs of Mountain Hardware 3/4 pants. They are a nice cotton twill and durable as they are marketed as climbing pants. I bought them a little too small so I never did wear them. One of these days I'll loose that last few pounds so I never returned them. 

After checking it doesn't seem like they make the cotton ones anymore. but they do have this one available. in a good range of sizes. 

 https://www.mountainhardwear.com/mens-logan-canyon-3-4-pant%C2%A0-1854971.html?cgid=mens-pantsShorts-hiking&dwvar_1854971_variationColor=004#start=11

I will say everything I have bought from Mountain Hardware has been excellent quality so I feel good about sharing the updated style

[Eric Myers]

Patagonia makes climbing knickers:  https://www.patagonia.com/product/mens-venga-rock-climbing-knickers/83092.html?dwvar_83092_color=SMDB&cgid=mens-pants-jeans-climbing

[John Phillips]

Big and Tall sizes in cycling clothes! And cycling gloves sized for normal hands! SWEET!

Garth, thanks for the info. You made my day!

John

On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 1:52:06 AM UTC-8, Garth wrote:

There's lots of non-cycling specific short pants available.  I say short pants because depending on your leg length, what may be marketed as a knicker may be too short for someone tall, and what's marketed as a capri pant could suit someone tall. A global shopping place like amazon for example has lots of these. 

Also, stretch woven fabrics are by nature very durable, resistant to abrasion, hence so common to most soft shell pants and jackets. 

For the sake of this post, here's the link to Aerotech's cycling knickers though. The things I've purchased from Aerotech have been excellent quality and made in the USA if that matters to you.  https://www.aerotechdesigns.com/aetedemecoca.html

[Patrick Moore]

This is a very good point to discuss. I've found many off-the-shelf cycling knickers unsatisfactory because they are cut too short for my use; I like them long enough to cinch tightly under the knee but not bind when pedaling; this means essentially "plus 8s." Are there any moderately dressy, cold-weather (ie, don't require tights underneath at 32*F) cycling knickers that meet this criterion? And also the all-important one of having a waist as high in back as non-hipster dress pants?

[JohnS]

Garth, thank you for sharing. Do you ever wear them in a light rain? Are they somewhat water repellent? I find the Riv MUSA pants are good in a drizzle but beyond that, they get soaked. I love them otherwise.

JohnS

[Deacon Patrick]

Fit for complete range of motion is precisely why I went with Spencer's Trousers, https://www.spencers-trousers.com/. They worked with me to make breeks that are roomy enough for floor living level flexibility (kneeling, full squatting, cross-legged with knees on the ground, etc) without being balloon pants. I get mine unlined, medium weight wool tweed, button hole above the zipper, and love them. Great three season, and passible even in the summer with the light weight tweed.

With abandon,

Patrick

[Patrick Moore]

What's the price for a pair of sturdy wool trousers from Spencer's? I expect I'll just stick with my tailor if I go full custom, but I'm curious about their price since they probably know outdoor wool better.

[Deacon Patrick]

They are 175 BP, which is about $230 USD, which is about $50 more than when I got them as recently as last year. I guess Brexit hasn't been kind to the dollar. Best all round breeks I've ever owned (and I've tried too many). Oh, and I forgot to mention the moleskin reinforced seat and knees really prolongs wear and is well worth the extra ten pounds.

With abandon,

Patrick

[John Hawrylak]

Deacon

What about taking a pair of jeans to the tailor to have the turned into knickers??  Thinking off the wall.

John Hawrylak

Woodstown NJ

[Deacon Patrick]

Aye. First thing I tried, John. Range of motion issues and wear issues. I'm good for a few years yet.

With abandon,

Patrick 

[Steve Palincsar]

You mean, the kind of jeans that come with flat-felled seams and copper rivets in the pockets?

I tried riding my first century wearing a pair of jeans like that that had been cut down and turned into shorts on top of a pair of Y-fronts.  I still vividly remember the burning Ring of Fire (c) from those seams and those rivets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mNPKNAQl4c

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[Patrick Moore]

Even with the degraded US dollar, that's not too bad for comfortable cold weather cycling pants that ought to wear very well with the moleskin. Oh well, I just spent (more than I can to say) on converting wool dress pants, so not for this season, certainly, but I will archive this info. Thanks.

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[Lefebeaver]

I've put a lot of miles on a pair of Outdoor Research 3/4 Ferrosi pants - liked them so much I just bought another pair. Check 'em out: https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/mens?or_product_type=117&product_list_limit=all

Pros: rugged, breathable in heat yet oddly comfortable in cool weather, don't absorb a lot of water, dry fast, reasonably flat seams, plenty of length below knee with a flexible elastic cord closure that can be left open if it heats up; not noticeably noisy fabric when walking; Cons: synthetic fabric may not appeal to some; fabric does pill a bit after a lot of use; rear pockets could use zippers (which the full-length version of this pant has), and zippered R side thigh pocket may be too small to be very useful. I mostly ride in these or their shorts in warm weather since deciding I'm done with Spandex. Full disclosure - I get OR stuff at a discount since I work in Conservation so their stuff may be more attractive to me than it is to you.

Slightly off-topic but related - can anyone recommend good knee-high socks to wear with these for cooler weather? 

[Deacon Patrick]

I wear heavy boiled wool socks from Dachstein in Australia. They are fantastic, and with Sorel boots work down to ten degrees. Add a 4-ply calk sock under and a breathable gater over (ventile) to block all wind, and they are toasty to -20˚F, including having a pipe stop for an hour.

Boiled wool socks I wear:

https://www.sweaterchalet.com/dachstein-woolwear/dw-5115-adult-socks/#cc-m-product-11653655331

Lighter weight ones:

https://www.sweaterchalet.com/dachstein-woolwear/dw-5114-adult-socks/#cc-m-product-11653650031

With abandon,

Patrick

[Patrick Moore]

Aha! Thanks for this. I'm currently using up 2 pr of Rick's Knick's sox made by The Sock Guy, and given my preference for cycling long pants, they'll probably last years. But it's good to have alternatives.

Lightweight, dressy option: Jitensha Studios:

https://www.jitensha.com/eng/knickersocks.html

Question of my own: Does anyone know of a vendor for good-quality black wool knicker socks?

The argyles, though, are tref or haram.

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[Robert Tilley]

I own a few pairs of the Ferrosi 3/4 pants and really like them. The only thing I wish they had was a built-in belt. I have a couple pairs of long-ago discontinued Mountain Hardwear knickers that have a cinch belt and I really like that feature. I should have stocked up on those while they were still made.

Think I will buy a couple more Ferrosi's for the stash in case they get scarce.

Robert "woulda, shoulda, coulda" Tilley

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I've put a lot of miles on a pair of Outdoor Research 3/4 Ferrosi pants - liked them so much I just bought another pair. Check 'em out: https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/mens?or_product_type=117&product_list_limit=all

Pros: rugged, breathable in heat yet oddly comfortable in cool weather, don't absorb a lot of water, dry fast, reasonably flat seams, plenty of length below knee with a flexible elastic cord closure that can be left open if it heats up; not noticeably noisy fabric when walking; Cons: synthetic fabric may not appeal to some; fabric does pill a bit after a lot of use; rear pockets could use zippers (which the full-length version of this pant has), and zippered R side thigh pocket may be too small to be very useful. I mostly ride in these or their shorts in warm weather since deciding I'm done with Spandex. Full disclosure - I get OR stuff at a discount since I work in Conservation so their stuff may be more attractive to me than it is to you.

Slightly off-topic but related - can anyone recommend good knee-high socks to wear with these for cooler weather? 

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[Deacon Patrick]

Neglected to mention that one of the great things about boiled wool is it can, like all wool, be worn multiple times between washings. So, even just a pair or two can, with judicious timing of weather to laundry, work all winter.

With abandon,

Patrick

[Ron Mc]

I managed over a few yearsto find two other knicker brands both on closeout that I like, and of course, now also discontinued.   

MUSA spoiled me for the cinch at the bottom that keeps cold air from my knees.  

I looked at everything offered on this page.  

The Keela SF, also discontinued, look perfect by the last pair that was on ebay.  

The Aerotech looked good enough, I bought a pair.  

[Igor]

Resurrecting this old discussion. RH has never restocked. I've emailed Jitensha to find out if those are still available.. Any new findings?

[Eric Floden]

I would like to know as well. And I have been unable to figure out how to ask...

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[Artaud]

My RH pair still sees a fait amount of use, but I have also been seriously considering the knickers made (to order, I believe?) by RSA Sun Bags, from Japan:

http://sunbagsshop.shop-pro.jp/?mode=cate&cbid=2455312&csid=0&sort=n

Three variants, the "740" in 30% wool / 70% polyester, the "tweed" in 70% wool / 30% polyester and the "657" nylon.

The 740 model looks great to me. International shipping available, as far as I can tell; someone order and report, please.

Denis, in NC

[Richard Rose]

A few(?) years ago they became available - last run? My wonderful daughters got me a pair. They are really nice & I wear them often. Surprised they do not still offer them.

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Resurrecting this old discussion. RH has never restocked. I've emailed Jitensha to find out if those are still available.. Any new findings?

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[Eric Floden]

On the clothing tab, it says this (my emphasis):

We want our riders to look as elegant and stylish as their bikes. Our clothes combine the ultimate in performance with an understated look. Our jerseys are simple and elegant. Our knickers are performance cycling wear that disappear when you ride, yet look appropriate when you enter a fine restaurant.

 

[Nathan Mattia]

Deacon!  I have missed you around these parts.

Boiled Socks!!  Yes.  We need more of this.

Welcome back, Sir.

[Will Boericke]

I knicker-ified some light wool dress uniform pants this summer.  With a little work, you can turn a thrift store find into the perfect shoulder season cycling wear.  For off the shelf, MTB manufacturers are the thing - Endura comes to mind.

Will

[Mark V]

https://aerotechdesigns.com/aetedemecoca.html

In the old OP, there's a "quiet as cotton". Since the aero tech stuff is probably not that. But so far the most budget conscience I've found.

These are not as breathable as I like, so I consider them fine for chilly fall and spring weather. And pretty OK with knicker-tights underneath for winter riding.

I remain a fan of aerotech stuff because much is made in the USA; cost; and when I asked about getting knicker-tights with no chamois, they accommodated my 'special request' but not at any special price. 

cheers!

[Patrick Moore]

On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 7:19:02 PM UTC-5 Ron Mc wrote:

... MUSA spoiled me for the cinch at the bottom that keeps cold air from my knees.  

That feature is what disqualifies many knickers, IMO, as they are cut too short to be cinched just below the knee and still allow sufficient room for knee articulation.

On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 3:45 AM Will Boericke <wboe...@gmail.com> wrote:
I knicker-ified some light wool dress uniform pants this summer.  With a little work, you can turn a thrift store find into the perfect shoulder season cycling wear.  For off the shelf, MTB manufacturers are the thing - Endura comes to mind.

The most comfortable cool-weather riding pants I've ever used have been good-quality wool dress pants cut down as knickers; I use velcro to cinch below the knee (tabs on either seam, tabs facing backward, so that you can cinch the cloth evenly and close the tabs neatly).

The best of about 4 such conversions was done by a professional with a pair of very nice dress flannels with thin nylon or perhaps acetate wind (and wear, at knees) liner from waist to knees in front and saddle wear pad, replaceable, in a more durable but color-matching material very neatly set in to the seat and crotch.

But this sort of conversion is as easy as cutting the legs at the right length, hemming them, and sewing on velcro tabs.

On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 9:07 PM Nathan Mattia <nathan...@gmail.com> wrote:

Deacon!  I have missed you around these parts.

Boiled Socks!!  Yes.  We need more of this.

Welcome back, Sir.

 

BTW, it was I and not Deacon Patrick himself who reposted his old post about knickers (he'd responded to my inquiry about his winter gear). Patrick-the-Deacon hasn't been on the list for years now.

[Piaw Na]

My current favorite are the wolfskin 3/4 shorts: https://blog.piaw.net/2023/01/mens-carpis.html

They're insanely expensive and the blog post I wrote above includes a link to a cheaper (and in some ways better, with zippered pockets) available on Amazon.

On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 10:59:17 AM UTC-8 Deacon Patrick wrote:

Och! Me knickers are in a twist! Sardonic grin. I am looking for knickers to ride in and for daily wear (so not cycling spandex knickers, but more in the spirit of Riv’s knickers of yore)

My requirements are:

— casual/dressy look and fit (if they fit like jeans, I’m golden)

— loose enough to allow squatting and floor sitting, but not baggy

— quiet as cotton

— belt loop for 1.5” belt (like jeans)

— Elastic at the knee

— cool, breathable

The two I’ve found that may fit the bill are:

Zoik Reign: https://www.competitivecyclist.com/zoic-reign-bike-knicker-mens?skidn=ZOI004S-BK-M&ti=UExQIENhdDpNZW4ncyBDeWNsaW5nIEtuaWNrZXJzOjE6OTpjY0NhdDEwMDIyNg==

and Compass: https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/compass-knickers-2016/

Others I should look into?

With abandon,

Patrick

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[Peter Adler]

The cheaper/better knickers are here: 33,000ft Men's Hiking Golf Capri Pants, currently at 20% off for $28.79 each. Cyclist black + 5 lighter greys/blues/olives. 96% poly/4% spandex; strangely, hand-wash only (? that's not normal handling for any all-synthetic fabric I've ever seen). UPF 50+; handy for us palefaces in sunny climes.

The presence of deep, zippered pockets gives them a key advantage over a pair of long cycling pants I use often - a pair of double-knit women's pants from Giro that I got from Missing Link when they were closing the separated repair shop eight or nine years ago. The material gives that lycra muscle compression that makes us olds feel better (without looking like stretchy stuff) and women's size 12 fit this men's size 35/32 just fine, but there are two fake pockets in front and one shallow zippered pocket in back - totally inadequate for around-town riding. I might get a pair of knee sox and try these things; a $30 experiment won't enrage me if it doesn't pan out.

Peter Adler

Berkeley, California

[Tom M]

I have two pair of the Rene Herse knickers, size medium, that are worn nearly through on the right thigh due to saddle rub. I am not a tailor, so I don't know if they can be repaired, but they're yours for the cost of shipping. I can provide pictures off list.

Tom in Alexandria, VA

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I was just searching to see if Outdoor Research had brought back their Ferrosi 3/4 pants (no luck) and came across these Aerotech knickers. They look decent and have a fairly low price. I may try these out. 

I have quite a few pairs of old Rapha and Chrome knickers that are in good enough shape for use but new knickers are always worth grabbing while available. Come to think of it I do have a brand new pair of Chrome Loop knickers in my stash. I should have done the same with a pair of Rene Herse knickers…

Robert Tilley

San Diego, CA

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I have two pair of the Rene Herse knickers, size medium, that are worn nearly through on the right thigh due to saddle rub. I am not a tailor, so I don't know if they can be repaired, but they're yours for the cost of shipping. I can provide pictures off list.

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[David Hays]

I picked up a pair of these in herringbone from Hoggs.

David Hays

On Sep 21, 2024, at 5:50 PM, rlti...@gmail.com wrote:

I was just searching to see if Outdoor Research had brought back their Ferrosi 3/4 pants (no luck) and came across these Aerotech knickers. They look decent and have a fairly low price. I may try these out. 

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[Jay Lonner]

I just ordered a pair of the Aerotech knickers last night. The fabric seems

Schoeller-esque, which is good for 3-season use. I’ll report back once I get some miles on them. 

Jay Lonner

Bellingham, WA 

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On Sep 21, 2024, at 14:51, rlti...@gmail.com wrote:

I was just searching to see if Outdoor Research had brought back their Ferrosi 3/4 pants (no luck) and came across these Aerotech knickers. They look decent and have a fairly low price. I may try these out. 

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[Curtis McKenzie]

Hi,

I ride primarily in the Arotech "knickers".  In fact I did the Oregon Outback with them last year.  Have had two pairs for several years with little to no wear.  I appreciate the zippered pockets.  It seems the sizes run a bit large.

Knickers in quotes because I am vertically challenged at 5 foot 19 inches and they seem just like long shorts.  

Enjoy,

Curtis

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[John Bokman]

I've considered these a few times, but the inseam length in a size M is 15"? I'd want at least an 18" inseam to cover my knees properly. Can anyone report on actual inseam length? (Aside; most knickers I've seen in the "bike market" have inseams too short. Rene Herse gets the length right; there are probably others. But it seems, in general, the "hiking or trekking" knickers get the length right more often than not, for some reason.)

John

Portland, OR

[Matti]

Another source of knickers and socks from an adjacent sport.  https://golfknickers.com

[Patrick Moore]

+1 and a lot more for long enough legs. I think that when you search for "knickers" you should use the term "plus fours," meaning that the hem is 4" below the knee. In fact, when I've had wool pants converted into cycling knickers I've left more like 8" below the knee, allowing one to cinch the hem just below the kneecap and still leave enough slack so that the material doesn't bind at top-dead-center.

Patrick Moore, who hates a cold draft on his knees while riding in cold weather.

PS: Another query: What do all y'all use for up-to-and-over-the-knee knicker socks? I've got 2 pairs of Rick's (Rick Reisemberg) socks in good condition but he has long been out of the bike clothing business

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[Mark V]

John B -

I've got two sets of the aero tech design Urban Pedal Pushers.
Large.

Inseam measures ~ 16.5in or so. 

When riding I guess my knee is not completely covered - but they don't ride up above my knees.  I got like a 35in inseam or so.

I'm debating to try the Rivendell baggies. Kinda pricey for me, but they look about like where I end up rolling my pants to.

cheers.

[John Bokman]

Thanks for the specs, Mvie.