Clem or other chainstay protection

[Richard Rose]

Wanting to protect the lovely long chainstay from chain slaps. I see lots of folks using cloth tape, some with twine. Looks ok but seems like it wold not hold up well. What other solutions are being used?

[Ben Mihovk]

If you do the newbaums and twine and shellac it, it will be pert near bulletproof.

-Ben in Omaha 

[Joe Grandia]

I like to cut an old tube lengthwise and use that to wrap the chainstay. This gets the twine treatment just the same. Looks good to me, and works great.

I'll try to upload a photo later. 

-Joe 

[Ed Carolipio]

If you don't want something fancy but does the job, you can use some "helicopter" tape to protect the frame:

http://www.racerstape.com/rtp.html (see middle of page)

I keep a 1", 8 mill roll handy. For the chainstay, I use a couple of long strips along the chain stay then finish off with a couple of strips around the kickstand plate. I also use it where cable housing rubs the head tube and when I have to wrap a bag strap around a frame tube.

--Ed C.

[Paul Choi]

3m paint protection film works well. You can remove it anytime. 

On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 7:56:49 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

[Joe Bernard]

3M is what I would do, I believe that's the product Joe Bell wrapped on my chainstay. I can't verify that this is a real problem but I always get queazy when I see steel and paint covered under all that cloth and twine, I don't know what's happening under there. 

Joe Bernard

[RichS]

Richard,

As Ben noted, cloth and twine is "bulletproof" chain stay protection. One caveat though: if you ever decide to remove it, the adhesive quality of cloth hbar tape has the ability to remove paint (ask me how I know!). Riv sells these chain stay protectors - currently out of stock - and other retailers also sell them in colors and I believe leather as well. They're tricky to install. I've only applied the clear versions. Proceed slowly lest you trap air bubbles between the stay and the protector. Clean the chain stay thoroughly; a pin is somewhat helpful to remove any bubbles; ideally, avoid them if you can. 

https://www.rivbike.com/products/chainstay-protector

Best,

Rich in ATL  

[Joe Mullins]

Wow thanks for the heads up about removing paint! I wonder if a heat gun on low would help prevent that…

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Richard,

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[Ryan]

It's interesting that on Riv's Custom page they offer a chainstay slap guard for a $50.00 upcharge...but don't think it's really required.

https://www.rivbike.com/products/custom-framesets 

Looked at my 3 Rivendells...and nope, nothing to see there. I don't recall this option ever coming up on my last two customs...and I'm not fussing about it too much.

So, Joe, did you have to request the 3M wrapping specifically? 

[R Shannon]

Or, avoid the guesswork and use one of the other less invasive methods recommended.

Best,

Rich in ATL

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[R Shannon]

One other observation. My Sam and Atlantis from 2014-15 came with clear chain stay protectors. Formerly standard equipment but now an option.

Best,

Rich in ATL

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[lconley]

My Rivendell Custom came with extensive clear film over the chain stay. It is basically invisible, didn't know it was there until I was working on it real close up one day and saw the edge lines. Most of my other Rivendells came with a single clear piece of film like what they sell. I tried to go old school and get my stays chrome plated but that was a no-go with Grant.

The only Rivendell complete that I ever purchased has a clear chainstay protector that is dying of old age and twine wrapped kickstand. Interesting thing about the kickstand is that the twine is not where the crank contacts the kickstand, must have come from another bike.

Laing

[Patrick Moore]

You can, or could, get NOS steel chainstay protectors a few years ago on eBay. I found a couple from a US seller.

The closest thing I found just now on a quick search is this, UK and aluminum:

https://www.velobitz.co.uk/chainstay-protectors/velobitz-vintage-retro-plain-aluminium-chainstay-protector-self-adhesive

Long ago (I was 16 or so) when a heavy 1/8" chain on a smallish ring and cogs with lightly sprung derailleur cage would bounce on the stay over bumps, I cut a "silver" cs protector out of the "tinned" inside of a tin can, with tabs on each end to bolt it under the stay,  It looked good (or so I thought then) and worked well.

[David Person]

My 2015 Sam came with a clear protector too that is nearly invisible.  When I wanted something similar for my Surly I purchased one of these Wheels Manufacturing clear chainstay protectors off eBay.  Looks excellent.  Now, the chainstays on the Sam (463 mm and on the Surly 450 mm) are nowhere near the length of those on the newer Rivs, so that is to be taken info consideration.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/392234836245?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

[Joe Bernard]

Ryan,

My experience is just like Laing's, the whole chainstay is wrapped and I didn't notice for months. 

What I believe Grant means by "slap guard" is those old timey braze-ons touring bikes used to have that you would stretch a piece of leather between. He's not a stickler for paint staying pretty and probably thinks the clear stuff isn't necessary, either.*

*In fact he'd probably be appalled at how pristine my custom still is after a year and a half. I don't like scratches! 😬

Joe Bernard  

[Ryan]

Oops...the fingernail test reveals that my 2001 Road and 2016 Mixte do have that clear protector you and Laing are talking about. They are Joe Bell paint jobs The allrounder is um...rather dusty, so I'm not going there. That was a Waterford which may or may not have the clear wrap...there is clear wrap over the "handcrafted in Waterford Wisconsin" on the non-drive side chainstay

[Richard Rose]

My Clem came with a single layer of clear material protection. Hard to see but it is there. Seems inadequate though? That is a long chain & I imagine it might sag quite a bit at times. In addition the cable running below the stay nearly hugs the stay. On other bikes I have experience paint scuffing from similarly close cables. Don’t get me wrong - I know bikes that get ridden will not remain perfect. But an extra layer of clear protection cannot hurt.

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[Nick Payne]

My experience is that the clear stick-on plastic chainstay protection lasts for decades without visible deterioration. My late 90s Riv custom came with one installed, and it's still in place without visible damage - in fact it's very hard to see unless you look closely. And on my Bleriot, as well as chainstay protection, I also fitted some protection along the top tube, because the bare brake cable runs at about 2 o'clock along there and my leg presses it into the tube whenever I stop at an intersection. So I protected the paintwork shortly after I started riding the bike (about 15 years ago) by sticking some transparent plastic along the top tube where the cable would rub, and it similarly is pretty much invisible unless I point it out to people.

I didn't buy the stick-on frame protector kits that bike shops sell. I went to a motorbike shop and bought several sheets of the 3M film intended for paint protection (each sheet was about 12" x 15") and cut the sizes and shapes I wanted from that. I still have a couple of the sheets left, waiting to be used.

Nick

[John Rinker]

Hey Rich,

Not sure if you were referring to other protectors when you mentioned 'less invasive' or other methods of removing the cloth wrap. If the latter, where were these mentioned. May be time to remove mine.

Cheers,

John

[R Shannon]

Hello John:

Apologies if my reply was confusing. I was referring to the 3M Paint Protection Film which Paul suggested. I haven't used it but it sounds like a good alternative - especially if you want to remove it at a later date. Hope that helps.

Best,

Rich in ATL

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[John Rinker]

No worries, Rich, and thanks for the reply. My 2005 Atlantis has the plastic film on the chainstay, and it looks just great after so many years. I'm thinking of unwrapping the tape from my Hunq stay, but your cautionary tale has left me...um...cautious. I'm now wondering how this might be accomplished without peeling off the paint (yikes!). 

Cheers,

John