New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

[Eric Marth]

Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I have a full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg

I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but for the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the frame over to Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the fork and seat stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle boss to the downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also stripped the frame to raw steel.



Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications of patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer and wax.



It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver. De-anodized some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR RD-M952. Dead stock WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque Phelan. Lots of Suntour, some TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x Nitto Shaka bars, MKS bear trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger.



I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo which I shaped and finished.



Velocity Atlas 26" wheelset with a Kasai dynamo hub up front and an XTR M900 in the rear. Front wheel by Rich at Rivendell, rear built by Andre at my local bike shop. I'm running Rene Herse extra-light tires with a Rat Trap Pass in the back and a Humptulips Ridge in front.

Many thanks to members here for helping out with parts when I needed them: Trevor B., Dave H., Liz S. and Patrick M.

• Velocity Atlas 26" 32/32 wheelset
• Rene Herse Antelope Hill, extra light
• Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, extra light
• Shimano XTR M900 rear hub
• Kasai 32H front hub
• Schmidt Edelux II polished headlight
• Busch + Müller light mount
• Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebars, 54cm
• Newbaum's cotton bar tape, white
• Suntour Bar-Con shifters
• Suntour Superbe levers
• Paul Neo Retro cantilever brakes, front
• Paul Touring cantilever brakes, rear
• Hunter Nugz barrel adjusters
• Dia Compe yoke hangers
• Fairweather x Nitto stem-mounted cable hanger
• Nitto Technomic 6cm stem, 26.0 clamp
• WTB New Paradigm Grease Guard headset
• TA Specialities Cyclotourist crankset, 48/42/28, 170mm
• Shimano 115mm square taper bottom bracket
• Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette
• MKS XC-III pedals
• Suntour AR front derailer
• Shimano XTR MD-952 rear derailer
• Suntour XC Pro seat post
• Brooks Conquest saddle
• Wheels Mfg. brass housing ferrules
• Sim Works x Nissen brass cable ferrules
• Sim Works x Nissen brake and shift housing
• Sim Works x Hoshi
• M5 brass socket head screws
• Shovel Research M5 brass slotted screws

Larger pictures here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_gXuRvwsKYVjG7GLMqFf2KGhPrYRNlp3/view?usp=sharing

Thanks for lookin'! 

[Eric Marth]

Here are some close-ups I took once I discovered the "macro" mode on my partner's ancient Nikon DSLR: 

[David Hays]

Beautiful build!

David Hays

On Jan 23, 2023, at 6:08 PM, Eric Marth <eric...@gmail.com> wrote:

Here are some close-ups I took once I discovered the "macro" mode on my partner's ancient Nikon DSLR: 

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[Eric Norris]

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[Eric Marth]

Thanks, David! 

Eric: Sorry, not for sale!

[Eric Marth]

I posted a bad link to the Google Drive folder with bigger pics. 

This should work. 

Thanks again!

[J J]

Absolutely lovely build, Eric. Beautiful. Thank you for sharing!

[Ryan Frahm]

That is a beautiful build, I love it! Hope it rides as nice as it looks!

[Eliot Balogh]

Very interesting project. Great video as always. Thanks for sharing. 

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[R. Alexis]

Eric,

Nice build! Very well thought out. Nice video on the build also. Been looking at bike builds on YouTube. Yours is one of the better ones. Have fun on it. 

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis

[Eric Marth]

Thanks for having a look Jim, Ryan, Eliot and Reginald!

[Greg Simmons]

Eric, 

Very nicely done! Provides a great example of the vast continuum of choices available when you approach a build. I really need to make the leap to a generator hub; the lighting looks great also! This one especially spoke to me, as I found an MB/2 some years back that eventually also became a project (In 1988, it was MB/2, not MB-2, strangely enough). It's been my daily commuter for <gasp> six years come February. Where did those 6 years go? Tempus fugit, vita brevis, ars longa, all that. Not that it is anything special, but if you wanted to compare to your '85, here's an album link that I hope will work and not make a mess: 1988 Bridgestone MB/2

Thanks for sharing, much enjoyed the video (and the earlier ones)!

Greg Simmons
Boone, NC

[Stephen]

Eric! Done it again, looks great! 

I really dug seeing your process with patina-ing the steel and brass bits. Reminds of a residential construction project I worked on that had a steel retaining wall that was treated (maybe with a similar acid wash.. not sure) to accelerate the rusting/patina. It turned a really nice purple. The intentional metal oxidation plus the thoughtfulness/cleanness of the build creates a really beautiful dynamic. I agree silver parts just look right on this bike.

How are you liking it and the ride so far? How does it compare to your hillborne and appaloosa? Planning to take it on some overnighters? Anything you wish you had done differently?

Definitely giving me the bug to do another bike build myself... hopefully sometime soon.

Cheers,

Stephen

[Eric Marth]

Greg — The house paint on your MB-2 reminds me of an MB-3 I picked up at the end of 2021. Mine was in much worse shape overall. And I paid too much for it. The tires wouldn't hold air, the brakes and shifters didn't work, chain was rusted and, as I later found out, the steerer tube was bent and the fork crown was twisted. There was silver spray paint on the handlebars, brake levers and overspray on the head tube. There was black spray paint on the rear rack and overspray on the rear cable hanger. What a mess. 

Yours looks great in both iterations. Nice job blasting it and on the repaint. It looks great with all the clean and vintage parts and I'm sure it's tons of fun to ride. How did you get all that stack in the headset? On the '85s I've worked on there is room for a super low stack headset and zero spacers. 

Stephen — Thanks for checking it out, that was definitely part of the build I wanted to share with people as I'd never seen it done myself. Working on the steel wall sounds fun, I was thinking a little bit about Richard Serra's sculptures when I was coming up with the patina colors I wanted. 

The ride is good so far and feels different than my other bikes. Drops, smaller frame, longer wheelbase and lower trail than my Hillborne make it feel planted, nice on the descents, more reactive up front and it sometimes feels like I can lay down more power. I'm getting used to the shapes of the brake levers, the short ramps on the new bars and shifting (every mech/shifter combo is a little different). I still need to take it out for a long ride. 

Enjoy your next build! 

[Ted Durant]

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 5:06:27 PM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I have a full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg

Wow - labor of love! So much attention to detail. I love seeing people pour time and money into something with no expectation for "getting their money out of it" at the end. 

Ted Durant

Milwaukee WI USA  

[MoVelo]

Eric, beautiful build. looks like you had fun with that one!

Greg, very nice restoration.

James P

mid-nebraska

[JohnS]

Eric and Greg,

Both are excellent builds! Well done. Any chance we'll see either of them featured on The Radavist, Reader's Rides???

I would like to see a frame overlay of Eric's MB-2 and my '82 Stumpjumper. Looks like they have very similar geometries and long wheelbases. 

JohnS

[st nick]

Hi Eric,

I also enjoyed seeing your new project.

Nicely done!

It's great to see these vintage frames brought back to the vision the 'artist' has for them.

You are a definitely an 'artist' at this in my view.

I enjoy tinkering with a variety of vintage frames also.

Even though I thoroughly enjoy my Sam Hillborne

from time to time I get bored for another project bike and search the ads for what I think is a worthy frame at a modest price

Although seemingly not as popular as the Bridgestone MB series I picked up a 1990 CB Zip some months back and built it back up to my preferences.

It's a fun bike.

Currently it's sporting Rat Traps although that rear one is a very tight fit.

On the raw finish front,

 a couple years back I stripped down to bare metal an early 90s Schwinn High Plains mtb

and built it back up.

I rode it for a while, maybe a year, and then transfered parts over to another bike.

It's still hanging in my garage.

I soaked it down ever few months with WD 40 or a cheap knock off and surprisingly it stayed mostly rust free.

I should check the current state of it.

I looked into several metal stain products but never applied any to it.

The look of your MB2 is certainly appealing.

My recent fun build a couple weeks back is this 1982 Trek 614. I love how it rides.

Safe riding on your new build and thanks for sharing it with the list.

Paul in Dallas

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, Ted, James and John. 

Paul, I'd be curious to see any pics of the finish on the Schwinn. 

The 614 looks fun, Reynolds tubes there? Seems like you fit a decent amount of rubber, too. 

[David Pulsipher]

beautiful work Eric - thank you for sharing with us!

[JohnS]

Hello Eric,

How do you like the  Sim Works x Nissen brake housing? I'm thinking of using the clear on my Quickbeam (also trying to minimize black on the build), would be the same Superbe brake levers (from my '83 expedition) and Paul brakes, except the front will be the mini-mottos. Usually I use Jagwire pro-slick cables and housings, kind of spoiled by them.

Thank you!

JohnS

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, David!

JohnS — Ah, a Quickbeam build. That sounds great. I rode one around a suburban cul-de-sac a few years ago but it hadn't been maintained and the brakes didn't work so I didn't really get a very good feel for it. 

I like this housing, I like the look, the colors it comes in, the simplicity. Crust, Sim Works and Circles all stock it. I'll probably use it again in the future. I'm not familiar with the Jagwire pro-slick but I used Jagwire gray housing on my Rivs, a Bridgestone MB-3 and the mixte I built up. I bought the Sim Works stuff primarily driven by the look, bright stainless, no writing or branding, and knew that if it was made by Nissen for Sim Works it likely was very good quality. Make sure you run them brake cables nice and long! I ran mine too short the first time and ended up using all the housing and just barely had enough to finish. 

[Slacky Mac]

Another great build and popcorn-worthy video.  Loved the disappearing act at the end!  The extra small touches that go into your efforts are really enjoyable.   Superbe!

[Jason Fuller]

Eric, finally took the time to watch the video and echo everyone's good words! Fun build - it's clear that you've got your 'foundation' bikes in place when building this so you're free to just have fun with it and focus on the vision. I re-watched the Hillborne video afterwards too, which is a great vid also, and it really underlined how while each of your builds have been thoughtfully curated (and very much in line with my interests!), the MB build is really all about functional art. Like all good art, it evokes an emotional response upon viewing, but with the added dimension that it can transport you to another time just by riding it. 

Also, I am very impressed/jealous of your shop. It makes me want to move out of the city so I can have the space for something like that!  

[Addison Wilhite]

At some point I may have shared this but just in case...this is my repainted and rebadged MB-1 from...I'm blanking at the moment, 1990 or 91.  Not original to me, I picked it up and took it on as a project to clean and repaint it.  I wrote this spoof review in good fun in response to the wave of 29er bikes that hit the industry last decade.  The Suntour/Ritchey mix of components is amazing.  

https://www.addisonwilhite.com/rambler/rambler-resurrectio

Hope you enjoy....

Addison Wilhite, M.A. 

Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 

“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”

Portfolio and Blog

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[Eric Marth]

Thanks, Jake! You're the first person to mention the disappearance at the end, I couldn't resist making that edit and I'm glad you noticed and appreciated! 

Jason, I know you put a lot of thought and work into your many builds, thanks for the kind feedback. The raw finish on the Bombadils was a point of reference for me with this one, though I didn't go as far as a clear powdercoat. I followed through with pretty much every wild idea I had about parts and finishes which was pretty satisfying. 

We live about an hour from a city of any notable size and are lucky for the shed space! I don't have much documentation but the shed has come a long way since we moved in, it's a much more pleasant and useful space. Definitely great for projects of all types and hanging out with friends as well. There are a few things I'd still like to do out there but it's pretty close to good enough. For the most part I edit out all the crap I have stored in there :) 

[st nick]

Eric,

Yes the Trek 614 main triangle is 531.

Fork took a 70x40 tire on VO rims but rear only a 700x38

measuring about 37.

I may have my local builder crimp the chainstays and add a pair of bottle bosses.

For the 2nd pair of bosses on the seat tube I'm using the VO clamp on bosses which work pretty well. 

I pulled down the 1991 Schwinn High Plains frame and snapped some pics today to give an idea of the raw finish.

It's still holding up pretty well.

The pics show the builder's brazing skills were a bit on the messy side.

Overall I like the finish. I've considered a powder coat job if rust becomes too prevalent but after about 5.5 years it's still holding up.

I still occasionally spray it down with WD40 or something similar I have on hand. 

I should build it back up but room is an issue.

How many bikes does one person need?

Safe pedaling,

Paul in Dallas

[Eric Marth]

Very cool, Paul, thanks for these pics! I love it, even with the brazer's overflowing brass, I'll just take it they were enthusiastic. 

[velomann]

I've owned several Bridgestones over the years, and currently have a 1985 T-700 (my spouse's bike) and a 1990 MB-3 waiting for a restoration. But my first was an 85 MB-2 I bought at a garage sale for $40. It was all stock (including heavy AF paint-matched Chromoly bullmoose bars) but, sadly, not the gold anodized Araya rims. The gray-blue (French blue?) color is still one of my all-tiime favorite stock bike colors ever and along with the Lavender/silver of my old 87 Mile 112, my favorite Bridgestone color. 

The first time I met Grant Petersen - at Velocult for a book signing for Just Ride - he complemented the bike (even though it was designed the year before he started to have input) and he was happy to autograph the top tube for me. 

I rode it for a couple years, around town mostly. It had a plush Cadillac-style ride quality. But man was that thing heavy! I think stock weight was in the 35 lb range, mostly due to the heavy straight-gauge tubing and steel bullmoose bars. I sold it on CL to a guy who had no inkling of Bridgestone lore, and no idea who Grant P was, though the signature was still on the bike.

Mike M

[Bikie#4646]

Fantastic Eric. Congrats, nicely done.

Paul Germain

Midlothian, Va.

[Eric Marth]

Mike — Wow, definitely sounds like the same bike I started out with. I thought I had some footage of the disassembled bike but I couldn't find any when it came time for the edit. Bridgestone called the color "shadow blue" in their catalog (here's a link for reference). The catalog also specs the weight at 32lbs so you're right on. Very cool you got Grant to sign it and maybe the new owner has come around to checking out the old Bridgestone and Rivendell lore. The gold Araya rims are now on an MB-3 from the same year I built up for a friend. 

Paul — Thanks for checking it out! 

[JohnS]

Thank you Eric on the cable length tip. I'll measure/eyeball a few times before cutting. Now I can't decide if I want the Nissen clear or steel blue to work with the blue in the head badge, too many choices.

John

[RichS]

Eric,

One more "two thumbs up" for your over the top efforts on this stunning MB-2. Thank you for the photographs and build list. Enjoy!

Best,

Rich in ATL

[Bikie#4646]

Eric,

I finally got to view your superb YouTube video - wonderfully relaxing! (As well as informative, of course.)

I loved all the attention you put into the headbadge, too. You may already know, but a gal in Philly, Jen Green, does custom head badges and does a great job. (She works in bronze too, but maybe not brass.)  

Revolution Cycle Jewelry: https://www.headbadges.com/store/c2/Headbadges.html

I had her make a Bontrager badge a few years ago for my CX bike that I had Keith Bontrager build for me in 1989. 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/48051561606/in/dateposted-public/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157704888845842

[Eric Marth]

JohnS — Let us know how it turns out!

Rich — Thanks for the thumbs, Rich. I put a little more effort into the still photo documentation this time around, my iPhone 8 just couldn't render the metal surface and details. 

Paul — Thank you! I hadn't seen Jen Green's work, thanks for the link. The Bontrager is rad! Looks like you put a lot of labor and love into it. A proper headbadge always beats a decal!

[R Shannon]

Another vote for Jen Green’s fine work. She did a head badge, made from nickel, for me several years ago.

Best,

Rich in ATL

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[Keith P.]

Another lovely bike and another beautiful video, Eric.  

I've watched it a couple of times now. (The kids will come in and groan "oh, the bike guy again,"  but then stay and watch the whole thing.) 

I know how much thought and work and effort goes into all that coverage. I really appreciate how much love you put into them.

Looks like you found some round-headed brass bolts for your bottle mounts. Nice find.

Paul, that Trek is a treat. What a color!

k.

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, Keith. I'm glad to hear I'm tolerable enough for the kids. 

I appreciate the kind note!

The button-head bolts were filler when I first got the frame. All socket-head now 

[John Johnson]

Really inspiring work, Eric!

Hope it's okay if I share my bare-metal bridgestone here. Back in 2009 or so, I had an XO-2 stripped and clear-coated by a local shop. Today it's got it's fair share of rust/spidering (I probably shoulda reapplied some clearcoat but didn't), but it's still my favorite daily rider. It started out with drops and a triple, then changed to albastache bars, and finally a bullmoose bar I had laying around and changed to drivetrain to a 1x with an alpine gear. 

-John

[Eric Marth]

Quite nice, John, thank you for sharing! Seems it's held up well over the past decade-plus. And it looks like a fun and gravy ride. Enjoy!

[Mike Packard]

Another great video and bike build Eric. Thanks.

mike

[Eric Marth]

That's very sweet of you to say, Mike, thank you!

[Jose]

Amazing build! Did Grant P design the 1985 MB-1 and MB-2? 

[Cyclofiend Jim]

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 9:19:51 AM UTC-8 Jose wrote:

Amazing build! Did Grant P design the 1985 MB-1 and MB-2? 

No - those were more of a "legacy" design. The MB's in '85 still had the long wheelbase design which was the norm in those days. IIRC, the '87 was his first full frame design.

1985 - 
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1985/pages/19-bridgestone-mb-1.html

1987 (with drop bars no less)
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1987/pages/bridgestone-1987-13.htm

 

[Eric Marth]

Thank you, Jose :) 

From what I recall Grant was fairly new at Bridgestone when the '85s came out. Sometime in 2022 I read an account written by Grant about when he first influenced any of the bike design or specifications and when he designed his first frames but I can't recall the dates or where I read this. Probably in a Blahg. 

[JohnS]

Eric did it, his bike is featured on The Radavist...

https://theradavist.com/erics-1985-bridgestone-mb-2-review/

Well done Eric!

JohnS

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, John! Fun to see it up there with a nice big slide show

[Tommy Patterson]

And your bike was featured in a random The Pros Closet email this morning (linking to Radavist article). The email also had links to "The best mountain bike upgrades"  "Shop presidents' day markdowns" and a rather ironic article above yours titled "How much suspension travel do you need?"

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[Eric Marth]

LOL, thanks for the intel, Tommy, I missed this!

[esoterica etc]

Hey Eric,

I noticed that you've got a Rene Herse knobby in front and a RH slick in the rear. Can you comment on how that combo compares to running two knobbies or two slicks? I'm thinking about doing the same to my "poor man's" monstercross and was hoping you could provide some experiential insight. Thanks,

~Mark 

Raleigh, NC

On Feb 23, 2023, at 15:16, Eric Marth <eric...@gmail.com> wrote:

LOL, thanks for the intel, Tommy, I missed this!

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:52:12 AM UTC-5 Tommy Patterson wrote:

And your bike was featured in a random The Pros Closet email this morning (linking to Radavist article). The email also had links to "The best mountain bike upgrades"  "Shop presidents' day markdowns" and a rather ironic article above yours titled "How much suspension travel do you need?"

On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 7:31 PM Eric Marth <eric...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks, John! Fun to see it up there with a nice big slide show

On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:58:40 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

Eric did it, his bike is featured on The Radavist...

https://theradavist.com/erics-1985-bridgestone-mb-2-review/

Well done Eric!

JohnS

On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 5:48:04 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

Thank you, Jose :) 

From what I recall Grant was fairly new at Bridgestone when the '85s came out. Sometime in 2022 I read an account written by Grant about when he first influenced any of the bike design or specifications and when he designed his first frames but I can't recall the dates or where I read this. Probably in a Blahg. 

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 12:19:51 PM UTC-5 Jose wrote:

Amazing build! Did Grant P design the 1985 MB-1 and MB-2? 

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:06:27 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I have a full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg

I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but for the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the frame over to Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the fork and seat stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle boss to the downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also stripped the frame to raw steel.

Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications of patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer and wax.

It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver. De-anodized some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR RD-M952. Dead stock WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque Phelan. Lots of Suntour, some TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x Nitto Shaka bars, MKS bear trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger.

I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo which I shaped and finished.

Thanks for lookin'! 

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[Eric Marth]

Hi Mark — I ran the two different tires to give me some versatility on multi-surface rides rather than being locked in to full knobs. This is something I've seen on some other builds and seemed a fun way to go. My friend Paul runs a mix of RH knobs and slicks on his Susie.