FS: MUSA Atlantis. 56 cm / 650b

[Matthew P]

Dear RBW Owners,

I am selling a 56 cm 650b MUSA Atlantis.  It's geometry is listed in the attachment.  I bought it off the RBW list on Februry 1st from the original owner (Brencho).  He said he got it a few years back, around 2017, when the new geometries were coming out.  But he got this as a special order, with the "older" MUSA Atlantis geometry.  And it is a MUSA, made by Waltworks.  I jumped on it because I never see Atlantises for sale and thought this was the perfect size for me.  It turns out to be a little small.  I was thinking of keeping it as a trail bike, so I put 2.35" tires on it, set up tubeless.

I am 5'11" with a 86 cm PBH.  In case it helps, in Surly units, I ride a 56 cm Surly Long Haul Trucker with ample room to spare.  This 56 cm Atlantis is smaller - most or all of the tubes are shorter than that bike - and the Atlantis has smaller wheels (650b vs 700c).

This Atlantis is a premium build.  Here is some info:

bars - I think they are the Albatross

stem - Nitto lugged

shifters - Shimano bar end

grips - Newbaum wrap w/ padding under

brakes - Paul cantilever

brake levers - Shimano

wheels - 650b/27.5" Handbuilt Wheels by Rich Lesnik (Rivendell) w/ Velocity Atlas rims, rear Shimano XT hub, front Shimano dyno hub

Cranks - Sugino triple

Derailers - Shimano XT

Tires - 2.35" Schwalbe Magic Mary (front) & Nobby Nic (rear) set up tubeless

I also have available: 

- 2.1" Thunder Burts, and 

- 2.25" WTB Trail Boss, Fast Rolling/Tough.

seatpost - Nitto S83 (2 bolts)

saddle - A cheapo I put on after buying it with no saddle. Can include or take off.

pedals - nice metal flat pedals but the name is rubbed off so I'm not sure who made them.  I'd like to keep them if you don't want them.

The bike was basically brand new when I got it in January.  I've ridden it about 20 times.  Its in great shape.  There is just one significant scratch on the NDS chainstay (bad pic in link).  Its not the only scratch but I think its the worst.  

Here is a link to an album of photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/zcQSxtk8sYFYoMmZ9

Please let me know if that does not work or otherwise.

I put the 2.35" tires on it and paid to get them setup tubeless, so I put about $150 into it.  I used it just a little and put a little money into it so I'm asking what I paid: $3000.  I suggest we split the shipping.  PayPal fees are $87 when sending $3000 "to a friend", so I would like to try another payment method - bank transfer or mail a money order (if that is safe)?

Please let me know if you are interested or have any questions.

Thank you.

-Matthew

San Diego

[Joe Bernard]

I would recommend posting actual numbers you get with a tape measure for this, that chart is going to be confusing for people.

Center of crank bolt to top of toptube will give the seattube number Riv uses to size their frames. The toptube is mostly level so you can do a real (not "effective") measurement there, center-to-center. That's a nice bike!

[Mike Williams]

Whoa!  Did I read that correct?  A MUSA built Waltworks Atlantis?  Only of its kind?   Interesting.   -Mike

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[Matthew P]

Thanks Joe and thanks for the catch Mike.

WATERFORD, not Walt Works

-Matthew

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[Mike Williams]

Ahh.  Yes,  I shoulda figured that.   

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[Joe Bernard]

I figured it was a typo but went looking for WaltWorks anyway and found him on Instagram. He made a custom 20-inch-wheel gravel bike for a little person!

[Matthew P]

Here are some rough measurements made with a tape measure on this Waterford Atlantis.

I give the measurement from the Riv 2017 geo chart in parentheses when available. 

Assume any discrepancies are my own error.

seat tube: 56 cm (vs. 56 cm)

top tube: 57 cm (vs. 57.7 eff. tt)

down tube: 62.25 cm

chain stay: 47.25 cm (vs. 47.5 cm)

Here are the numbers for this frame pulled from that Riv geo chart I originally attached: 

frame: Atlantis

size:  56cm/650b

bb drop, mm: 67

top tube slope: 3

rear hub space, mm: 135

stand over, cm: 79.76

st angle: 71.5

ht angle: 71

rake, cm: 5.2

eff. tt, cm: 57.7

front center: 61.76

chain stay, cm: 47.5

wheel size: 584/650b

max tire size: 650b x 2.1"

eff. brake reach: -

brake style: canti/v

double tt?: no

stack, mm: 583

reach, mm: 381

-Matthew

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[ted]

Looks to me like you got the stand over from the 53 row.

[Matthew P]

Good eye ted!  I gave a double look at that and should have checked.

correction -

standover, cm: 82.65

Thanks!

[Matthew P]

Greetings.

I'm offering to sell this frame & fork for $1400.

The original owner paid about $2500 as a special order built by Waterford.

I paid $3000 for the complete bike.

Let me know if you are interested.

Thanks.

-Matthew

San Diego

[Matthew P]

Price drop on the complete bike to $2800 OBO before I sell the frame & fork and part out the rest.

pics https://photos.app.goo.gl/zcQSxtk8sYFYoMmZ9

Thanks.

[Nate in Oakland]

I’d like to say that I own this exact frame and it is excellent. Here are some pluses:
-Excellent tire clearance. I’m running 650x2.3 in tires and maybe have room for fenders.
-Looks. Almost flat top tube and chain stays that are longer than older models, but not super long like the current ones. Also features my fav Rivendell lug set. Head tube lugs are more ornate than the newer version.
-Ride. The bike is fun and lively unloaded, but loaded is where it really shines. I’ve done some heavy loaded touring on mine and it was just a dream. I guess this is a given with the Atlantis.

I waited over a year for mine and paid full American prices for the frame and I’ve felt that it was worth it. This is a steal!

Nate

[Karl]

Man, what a deal Matthew! This would complete my 650b stable!

Karl
Nash, TN

[Matthew Pendergraft]

By the complete bike Karl!  :)

I can't wait to build up the 58 cm Atlantis from you. It looks like 2.2" is the widest I can go. Did you ever find a max tire for it?

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[Nate in Oakland]

I just measured my g-one speeds (on my 56 650b musa Atlantis) at 2.4 inches with my calipers.

Nate

[Andrew Huston]

Someone buy my Clem and I'll get this thread closed out!

[Matthew P]

Thanks Nate!

Yes, I have 2.35" Knobby Nicks and Magic Mary's on the 56 cm 650b so G Ones measuring 2.4" fitting I believe.

In my response to Karl I mentioned a 58 cm Atlantis that also differs from my and Nate's 56's in that it was Toyo made, 700c.

I'm trying to get a finger on its max tire width.  The latest Atlantis seems to max out at 700c x 2.2"
https://theradavist.com/2019/01/ultra-romance-and-his-rivendell-atlantis-mountain-bike/

-Matthew

P.S. Buy Andrew's Clem  :-)

[Drw]

I’ll also just chime in and say I also have a 56cm 650b MUSA Atlantis with longish but not super long chainstays. It’s the best bike I’ve ever owned. Unless it didn’t fit, I can’t imagine anyone regretting this.

[Matthew P]

The bike sold in June.

and again since then so I think its time I update this post.

I have some parts from it if you're interested (see photos of them on the bike here

pics https://photos.app.goo.gl/zcQSxtk8sYFYoMmZ9

bars - I think they are the Albatross

stem - Nitto lugged

grips - Newbaum wrap w/ padding under

brake levers - Shimano

brakes - Paul cantilever

wheels - 650b/27.5" Handbuilt Wheels by Rich Lesnik (Rivendell) w/ Velocity Atlas rims, rear Shimano Deore XT hub, front Shimano dyno hub

Tires - 2.35" Schwalbe Magic Mary (front) & Nobby Nic (rear) set up tubeless

I also have available: 

- 2.1" Thunder Burts (in the first 6 pics in the link), and 

- 2.25" WTB Trail Boss, Fast Rolling/Tough.

Thanks

-Matthew

San Diego

[Lucky]

Can you please email me price for Paul brakes? luckyturnip@gmail dotcom

Or post here?

I’m on my phone so if I missed this, my apologies.

[Matthew P]

No problem.

I'm asking $100 shipped to CONUS for the polished Paul touring cantilever brakes.  Good condition.  Light use.

-Matthew

[Matthew Pendergraft]

The Paul touring canti brakes sold.

-Matthew

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[Applegate]

Hi Matthew! I'd love to know a price for the Hands On Wheels-set. Thanks in advance.

[Applegate]

And the Thunder Burts, actually...

[Matthew P]

Applegate - the Thunderburts are available.  I'm asking $70 plus shipping.  Call it $80 flat.  Does that work for you?

Where are you located?

The wheelset and all other parts have been claimed.  

Anyone have suggestions shipping wheels?  I'll search around.

Thank you.

-Matthew

San Diego

[Michael Williams]

Hey Matt,  take a look at bikeflights for shipping wheels.  -Mike

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[Applegate]

Ah, thank you for the offer. I was thinking it'd be worth adding in the tires with the wheelset, but I won't rush the purchase without.

[Matthew P]

Thanks Mike.

No problem Applegate.