Homer Holden question

Tom Norton

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Oct 6, 2019, 9:46:43 PM10/6/19

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What size frames have the secondary top tube?
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Tom

Abcyclehank

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Oct 6, 2019, 9:55:45 PM10/6/19

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It varies. I have both a 65cm and 69cm single top tube Homer Hilsen. But the general rule is the 67, 69, and 71’s had double top tubes for sure.

Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

Hetchins52

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Oct 7, 2019, 5:00:52 AM10/7/19

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Looking at the May 2017 Geometry chart, for Toyo and Waterford built AHH frames:

Optional on 61 and 63

Standard for 65, 67, 69 & 72

The 2018 chart shows that the Made in Taiwan frames only come with the double top tube in the largest which is listed as 62 cm.

David Lipsky

Berkeley, CA

On Sunday, October 6, 2019 at 6:46:43 PM UTC-7, Tom Norton wrote:

What size frames have the secondary top tube?

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Julian Westerhout

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Oct 7, 2019, 7:46:23 AM10/7/19

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Ryan is correct -- although most of the larger sizes of the Toyo and Waterford Homers came with two top tubes, exceptions exist. I believe all of the larger (61.5, 64 cm) MIT Homers have the swooping second top tube -- although if the current generation is your goal a call to Riv would resolve any questions.

FWIW, I have a 67 cm single top tube Waterford-made Homer.

Tom, why do you ask? Are you pro or anti- two-tubers? How big are you? What sort of riding will you do?

Julian Westerhout

Bloomington, IL

Tom Norton

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Oct 7, 2019, 11:16:57 AM10/7/19

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Julian,
For me it is an appearance thing! The doy top tube just doesn't do anything for me.

MCT

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Oct 7, 2019, 12:23:20 PM10/7/19

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It is a mixed bag as there are exceptions to what sizes have a double top tube. I have a 65cm A. Homer Hilsen (MUSA) that is a single top tube. I did not request a single top tube, as I purhcased it from Rivendell after it was built. The bike may be a little big for me, but the secondary market for steel bike with rim brakes has taken a dive, so not selling right now.

Abcyclehank

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Oct 7, 2019, 5:47:42 PM10/7/19

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Anyone know how to identify Toyo vs Waterford Homers. I have two second hand single top tube versions. Not that it matters at all to me personally but the question has been asked of me regarding selling. Serial number? Lugs? Pump pegs? Anything?

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Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

Andy C.

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Oct 7, 2019, 6:48:58 PM10/7/19

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I have a first generation (2006) Waterford Homer (the poem era). I believe that a characteristic of these first Homers is the lack of a kickstand plate. I'm not sure exactly when the plate was added, but it was soon thereafter. I hope I'm not wrong.

--Andy C.

ted

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Oct 7, 2019, 7:30:30 PM10/7/19

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I believe that toyo built AHHs have a third set of bottle mounts on the bottom on the down tube, and others don’t.

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