Fancy Cheviot!

[Joe Bernard]

It lives, it's in the new newsletter and here's the pic. I have the somewhat dubious distinction (I think) of being the first "outsider" to know about this project when Grant and Will mentioned it to me at RBW last year. So now I'll start the thread!

It's fancy and swoopy and I dig it. I also dig the original name and decals (and sheep) so I'm adding my non-requested vote for keeping them. Check it out, it's pretty!

Joe Bernard
Marin County CA.

[Abcyclehank]

I agree that bike is splendid looking. I also believe the Cheviot name and head badge is the best non Middle Earth based one. That said I agree with Grant that it might be different enough from the original Cheviot to earn its own moniker.
Most importantly I expect it will be very well received at a very important time.

Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I saw this bike in the Riv newsletter and I nearly tipped over. This is the exact bike I would have chosen for myself if I had asked for a custom (but done in red, you know). It’s elegant and lovely and it looks like a ball gown. Do you see it? Those pretty curves in the frame, set off by those larger 700 c wheels?

Rivendell nailed it. They NAILED it. I cannot be satisfied with anything else now; I am ruined. Who else saw this and can’t wait to hand over their money?

And now, we wait.
Leah in Love in Nevada

[Sky Coulter]

New cheviot looks great. But what i really want a pic of is the charlie b gallop.

Sky in new west

> On Apr 23, 2020, at 6:42 PM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> It lives, it's in the new newsletter and here's the pic. I have the somewhat dubious distinction (I think) of being the first "outsider" to know about this project when Grant and Will mentioned it to me at RBW last year. So now I'll start the thread!

>
> It's fancy and swoopy and I dig it. I also dig the original name and decals (and sheep) so I'm adding my non-requested vote for keeping them. Check it out, it's pretty!
>
> Joe Bernard
> Marin County CA.
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[Leah Peterson]

I forgot to say that I will really miss the Cheviot name and decals if they rename the bike. If it gets a new name please no Wolbis. Or Slugstone. I dread telling newcomers, “Let me tell you about my Wolbis.” It will sound terribly inappropriate.

Looking at the bike and what a class act it is, it just has to be named accordingly. It could be a Galadriel! Arwen! Something...

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> On Apr 23, 2020, at 7:24 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I saw this bike in the Riv newsletter and I nearly tipped over. This is the exact bike I would have chosen for myself if I had asked for a custom (but done in red, you know). It’s elegant and lovely and it looks like a ball gown. Do you see it? Those pretty curves in the frame, set off by those larger 700 c wheels?

>
> Rivendell nailed it. They NAILED it. I cannot be satisfied with anything else now; I am ruined. Who else saw this and can’t wait to hand over their money?
>
> And now, we wait.
> Leah in Love in Nevada
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[Shoji Takahashi]

Looks wonderful.

I'm curious as to the design decision in moving to 700C/622 BSD for the 55cm model. Thoughts? 

With the move to canti/V-posts, I'm guessing that there's clearance for wider tires. Perhaps the recommended PBH would be moved higher for the models? 

shoji

arlington ma

[Lyman Labry]

I like the look of the fancy Cheviot.  The swoopy seat stay is graceful.  It continues the line of the top tube through the seat post to the rear hub.  To me, it looks like a design derivative of the Gus Boots Wilson.

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[Joe Bernard]

I like the way the midstays separate ahead of the seattube. On the current frame the toptube ends in a lug, then the midstays begin from sockets rearward of the seattube.

[Leah Peterson]

I like this same attribute - the diverging midstays. Looking at this bike, I feel like Grant took something fantastic and made it perfect. The shape is RIGHT. The wheels are RIGHT. Rivendell has been nailing their color choices lately so whatever those will be, they will be RIGHT.

I know we have to be patient but it is really, really hard. We’ve known about the Fancy Cheviot for a while now, which came to exist after Riv nixed the Anniversary Mixte. I wonder how long production will take...
Leah

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[Weston Hein]

Loving the new design! I wonder if the new stay design will soften the rear ride a bit... Less triangulation? Also a huge fan of v-brakes so I'm super excited to see this make their way onto upcoming frames. Can't wait to see the Gallop!

[Roberta]

I love the look of this bike!  I do hope it comes in the luscious RBW blue, but that silver is smashing also.  Looks like it has some elements of the Anniversary mixte and some of the Cheviout.  Also, I hope they either keep the name Cheviot or have another name that isn't ugly.  It's a beautiful bike that deserves a beautiful name.

Weston, you mention "soften the rear ride a bit."  Do you have experience with the Chev?  I've ridden them and have liked their rides, but never enough to want to buy one.  In the back of my mind I've always wondered if better tires might have made a difference.

Roberta (Joe Appaloosa, and AHH, possibly New-Chev)

[Ann L]

Me.  The more I look at it, the more I like it.  There is something so elegant about the lines of that bike.  I was leaning towards getting a Cheviot when the next batch gets in.  But now that I have seen this, I will have to hold out for the fancy version.

[Joe Bernard]

Ann: I'm having the same reaction. I was chatting with someone last night about it shortly after first seeing and thought it was nice. Then later I really started pouring over the photo and "Wow, this is really NICE!" I particularly like the big 700C wheels on this 55cm frame, it gives it a certain elegance I can't quite explain.

Roberta: I'm not sure the bend in the mid-stays would be more compliant than the old straight ones, but they look thinner/smaller to me which might be a benefit. Although I wouldn't consider the current model too stiff.

[Leah Peterson]

Dear #RivSisters,

If ever Grant made a bike especially for us - it would be this Fancy Cheviot. It is no coincidence we all have heart eyes for it. We’ve all said it - it’s an extraordinarily elegant, delightful bicycle. Also, it looks like a design that emerged from the nixed Anniversary Mixte and I love it even more now.

Girls, let’s clean out Rivendell’s inventory. 

Yours, Leah

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[Dave Johnston]

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[Leah Peterson]

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[Joe Bernard]

I'm now picturing Leah in a Vegas casino parking lot with the back of the van open. "Psst, hey buddy. I wanna show ya somethin'" 🤣

[Dave Johnston]

And I'm picturing cross dressing men buying bikes out of the back of a van.

(probably wouldn't even raise an eyebrow in Vegas)

-Dave J

[Leah Peterson]

Well, based on our enthusiasm here, I think Rivendell can feel confident placing the Cheviot order. Like hot cakes, these fancy bikes! 

Remember how 2019’s Clem Ls sold out before they reached California’s shores? I predict it will be the same with these. I love that men are becoming unafraid of mixte and step-through frames. Riv guys are the best guys!

Leah

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[Paul Clifton]

WRT the lines and shape of this bike ...

It's really subtle, but it looks to me like the top and down tubes are squished, like my Rosco Bebe. Does anyone agree?

I THINK that feature was added to make the frame stiffer rotationally (twisting around the front-to-back axis) . I have a feeling that being able to stiffen the frame by shaping the tubes has given Grant a little more artistic freedom. It's really exciting to see that technique being used again on an upcoming bike.

I wonder if squished tubes is also a feature on the Gus. Can anyone confirm? Does anyone know any other bike maker who squishes tubes? I kind of assume it common. People squish chainstays all the time. What about steel downtubes though?

I ride a 54 +/- in most things. Bikes with 700c wheels look big to me now that I'm used to 650b.

Paul in NW Arkansas

[Roberta]

Paul.

Can you show us some pics of the swished tubes of your Roscoe Bebe-with or without Bebe aboard 😊.

[Weston Hein]

Roberta- I don't have any experience on a Cheviot outside of a long test ride (thanks to John @Rivelo). I was just curious if there was a motive behind the design change outside of aesthetics. I'm with you in that I think tire size/type have a huge impact on the feel of a ride, perhaps the biggest impact for me. But I'm definitely excited for the new design, and all the new Rivs as of late with their swoopiness. So nice!

[Drw]

Are we looking at a side pull front and v rear? Sorry just scanned the previous posts. Love the look. Very pleased with what I hope will be full v/canti brakes.

Wondering about 700c on a 55cm frame. I know it’s very common place and I’ve had a 54cm riv with 700c wheels but it seems like a step back from the “wheelsize
Should match the bike size” thing they’ve been doing (that I really like)

[Joe Bernard]

It's a prototype which was explained in the newsletter but I only included the picture in this thread. The bike has the wrong front brake, production will be v-brakes.

I don't know what predicated 700C, but my wild guess/conspiracy is the 650B wheelset market has been overwhelmed by 27.5 disc and the future for nice rim-brake rims in that size is not looking great. Rim-brake 700C road and touring bikes are still prevalent so maybe this is an anticipatory move. Or Grant just wanted that size this time, I'm just guessing! 🤷

[Mark Roland]

The swooped stays on a Riv mixte have a precedent, of course, in the Glorious.

But if the almost timid bend at the end of the stay on the Glorius is like clearing the throat, I guess the new Chev is full burst of song. There is also the swooped stays on the original Clems, still seen on the 59cm version.

I'm slightly mystified as to the 700c wheel size, as in the past, increasing chainstay length and wheel size as the bike frame get bigger has been a design consideration. But I know Grant favors the 60cm Chev and the 59cm Clem L, and I suspect part of that attraction is the large, roll over it, 29er-esque feel of the wheels with fat tires. That extra bit of inertia goes well with the longer wheelbases on these bikes. I just can't fit the 59 Clem in my living room.

As far as awkward names, the Slugstone etc. is a mountain bi...excuse me, Hillibike. And those do have a tradition of gnarly or weird or just plain dumb names, so there's that. But yeah, since we are calling this the "Fancy Cheviut" it does deserve a properly elegant name. Lorien would have been nice. Maybe they could get away with Lorienne? Just stay away from anagram contests for this one. Or, second thought, Hootenrill? Neothrillo?

Speaking of elegant, I love the Riv Silver cranks. They pair really well with the Clems (which I think they were designed in tandem with) and other Riv country bikes, depending on the configuration. But if ever there were the time to splurge on a crankset with less Hillibike/Country lines, this bike might be it. At double the price of a Silver, the RH is pricey, but would be a great compliment to the "ballgown" lines here. Swanky Cranky, Spanky!

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 10:42:50 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

I forgot to say that I will really miss the Cheviot name and decals if they rename the bike. If it gets a new name please no Wolbis. Or Slugstone. I dread telling newcomers, “Let me tell you about my Wolbis.” It will sound terribly inappropriate.

Looking at the bike and what a class act it is, it just has to be named accordingly. It could be a Galadriel! Arwen! Something...

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 23, 2020, at 7:24 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I saw this bike in the Riv newsletter and I nearly tipped over. This is the exact bike I would have chosen for myself if I had asked for a custom (but done in red, you know). It’s elegant and lovely and it looks like a ball gown. Do you see it? Those pretty curves in the frame, set off by those larger 700 c wheels?
>
> Rivendell nailed it. They NAILED it. I cannot be satisfied with anything else now; I am ruined. Who else saw this and can’t wait to hand over their money?
>
> And now, we wait.
> Leah in Love in Nevada
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[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Does anyone have a guess as to how long a project like the Fancy Cheviot takes to bring to production? I feel like we’ve been waiting forever already. I pushed pretty hard to know the ETA because I didn’t want to wait a year and was considering a custom that would arrive sooner. Last I heard these bikes would have been arriving late July, but that doesn’t seem like a workable timeline now. I’m not going to push anymore; Rivendell doesn’t seem to be able to hurry production along and I’m sure it stresses them out to have to answer pressing questions about TIME from me. It’s encouraging that we are looking at the prototype, but there are changes Rivendell plans to make to this bike - how far back does that push the ETA? Do they have to order new prototypes again after making changes?

Maybe we’ll all be pleasantly surprised and the wait won’t be so long. I’m thinking Christmas but really hoping for late summer. I haven’t wanted something so acutely in a long time. It’s an exquisite pain I’m having over this Fancy Cheviot. I’m setting up my Clem with some really nice new parts that will make it easier to ride while I wait. One of the nice things I added was dyno, which I would never have gotten had this Cheviot not been delayed.

[Ray Varella]

If they change the name, my vote would be for Deux Chevuit.

Ray

[Joe Bernard]

Here's the words from the newsletter, which I should have included in the original post:

Here's one of those sample frames. It's an updated version of the Cheviot, although Grant is considering having a new name and new decals for it.

The forks came without v-brake studs (I'm not calling them canti-posts anymore), so forgive the mis-matched brakes. This 55cm frame rides like a dream... it feels bigger in a good way compared to the old 55cm, which I attribute to the 700c wheels, slightly slacker headtube angle and longer top tube. I think it's mostly the wheels. The v-brakes are the big change, but there's other small things that most people might not notice. We'll have more details later.

[Eric Daume]

Awesome! I second Ray's name proposal.

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If they change the name, my vote would be for Deux Chevuit.



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[Jan O.]

"Deux Chevuit", how perfect.

Jan

San Francisco, CA

[Ann L]

I like it too.  Especially if it means the bike gets to keep the Chevoit head badge (which is absolutely awesome).

 

[Mark Roland]

I don't know. Grant doesn't strike me as much of a Francophile. He won't even spell derailleur correctly.

[Joe Bernard]

It's spelled correctly like Sheldon told us to do it, it's a derailer, it derails things. The French are so... FRENCH

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 8:10:51 PM UTC+8, Mark Roland wrote:

But if the almost timid bend at the end of the stay on the Glorius is like clearing the throat, I guess the new Chev is full burst of song. …

It depends on size. The pic you have is a smaller Glorius/Wilbury. The larger ones have more pronounced swoops.

I'm slightly mystified as to the 700c wheel size, as in the past, increasing chainstay length and wheel size as the bike frame get bigger has been a design consideration. But I know Grant favors the 60cm Chev and the 59cm Clem L, and I suspect part of that attraction is the large, roll over it, 29er-esque feel of the wheels with fat tires. That extra bit of inertia goes well with the longer wheelbases on these bikes. I just can't fit the 59 Clem in my living room.

Are all sizes using 700C?

[Roberta]

Has anyone heard about tire clearance?  I just remember hearing it was "more." 

[in Dallas nick]

I think Leah said 'heart eyes'.

So is this what y'all are  seeing with this bike?

Paul in Dallas

I'm beginning to see it too.

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Paul, I see it just like that - but with red hearts. ❤️ I definitely think you should get in on this. Men with Mixtes - we should have a patch made.

[Tom Wyland]

Yes this is the Riv for me.  In orange, please!  I hope it will clear 2.0 wide tires with fenders as well. Take my money!

[James Davis]

I second that sentiment on the practicality of mixtes for all folks. Mixtes are just pure magic. There was about a year after getting my Clem-L where I just refused to throw my leg over a top tube. It was all smooth Clem-L riding that I would do. M.O.M. Is also a delightfully confusing acronym for us men on mixtes. 

James Gardner Davis

Denver, CO

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Paul, I see it just like that - but with red hearts. ❤️ I definitely think you should get in on this. Men with Mixtes - we should have a patch made.

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[Toshi Takeuchi]

Looks wonderful, but the color should be red!

Toshi

Man on Mixte in Oakland

P.S. My Cheviot is getting the most rides now because I do all my shopping with it

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Paul, I see it just like that - but with red hearts. ❤️ I definitely think you should get in on this. Men with Mixtes - we should have a patch made.

[Leah Peterson]

See, Toshi is just RIGHT. Red. And we should all have mixtes. I’m a fan!

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[JAS]

I'm ready with my money, too!  This new Cheviot is a beauty with that swoopy tube.  Though my favorite color is blue, I would be very happy with the silver because I could dress her up with a bright blue bag and tape, maybe some blue "bling" like pedals, hubs and bolts.  I'm going with light weight fancy wheels, maybe tubeless since that's what all the cool #RivSisters seem to be doing and I love a group effort.  I'm looking forward to hearing an "order now" date!

More power to the M.O.M.s and RivSisters!

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 11:19:20 AM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

See, Toshi is just RIGHT. Red. And we should all have mixtes. I’m a fan!

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Looks wonderful, but the color should be red!

Toshi

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Paul, I see it just like that - but with red hearts. ❤️ I definitely think you should get in on this. Men with Mixtes - we should have a patch made.

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[Leah Peterson]

Joyce, I love you. It must be said. You are the MOST fun.

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[in Dallas nick]

Ok  I'm slow but am catching the vibe.

Ha! I'd definitely ride one.

Paul in Dallas 

[Pancake]

Not from Paul and maybe not the swoops you’re after - but proud (Rosco) Bebe Daddy here happy to post pics.
Abe “excited for ChevDeux but more interested in pics of the Charles Gallop”

[Leah Peterson]

They nailed RBW blue, don’t you think? Lovely. That bike reminds me a lot of my Clem, actually! Also, I’m noticing there are *2* baby seats on that Bebe....❤️❤️

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[Joe Bernard]

Leah: At first I thought that was your Clem. Then I realized you're probably not carrying those boys on it 😁

[JAS]

Leah, thanks.  You're a gem!

#RivSisters

[Pancake]

Happy to have my bike confused for one of Leah’s!

The rear seat is just for looks for now - though we are hoping to adopt a second child! Currently the rear rack is a support rack, not enough weight bearing for a baby seat. But I have a suitable rack ready for the rear seat (max 40 pounds) once our little girl is too big for the front seat (max 33 pounds).

I would be thrilled if things line up so I can have babies both in front and back one day though! And after that I’ll be happy to make the Rosco Baby into a bike packing mountain trail machine, it’s flexy and stout all at once, really a great ride!

Abe

[Leah Peterson]

Give that little doll-face dumpling a squeeze from me - she’s so lucky she gets to start out her life riding a Rivendell designed for her! How many other babies can say the same!

I bet your Bebe rides a lot like my Clem, which means you’re going to love it whether hauling kiddos or riding mountain trails. And you got in that luscious blue that you will never tire of.

I really hope we hear more out of Walnut Creek about this new Cheviot soon. I don’t want to nag Riv so I won’t ask, but I’ll tell myself it will be Christmas, and if a Cheviot ends up at my house before then I’ll be thrilled.

Oh, one more thing. Remember when the Anniversary Mixte was all the rage and we were going to meet up and make a big thing of it? If COVID restrictions are lifted and the new Cheviots come in at a time when the weather is favorable, a bunch of us should meet to pick up our bikes and ride them and drink all the coffee and whatever else. Wouldn’t that be so fun?

Leah

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> Happy to have my bike confused for one of Leah’s!

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> The rear seat is just for looks for now - though we are hoping to adopt a second child! Currently the rear rack is a support rack, not enough weight bearing for a baby seat. But I have a suitable rack ready for the rear seat (max 40 pounds) once our little girl is too big for the front seat (max 33 pounds).
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> I would be thrilled if things line up so I can have babies both in front and back one day though! And after that I’ll be happy to make the Rosco Baby into a bike packing mountain trail machine, it’s flexy and stout all at once, really a great ride!
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[Pancake]

Men on Mixties is already a thing: MOMs. From the 2018 Riv catalogue.

[Roberta]

Thanks for the pics.  I do LOVE LOVE LOVE the RBW blue.  I once sent Leah a picture of a bike color I was drooling over "I WANT THAT COLOR BIKE!!!"  She then told me it was the RBW blue, but in the sunset.  It went from lovely to lovely-er. 

Oh, I hope the new Chev comes in that color!

And, I hope you get a new bebe to grow up with your current cutie-pie bebe.

Roberta

[Mark Roland]

The RBW blue to me has always evoked the classic blue mink of the early 1970s Raleigh Professional, an iconic bike that would have been on the scene in Grant's early racing years. An old racing buddy of mine had one in this "colorway" as the kids would say now (Or maybe that's already so 2011--as you get older you lose track of, not so much hours as years.) Having only seen the Raleigh version, on my computer screen the RBW blue is perhaps slightly warmer ie, more yellow. But very close in spirit. (Apologies if I've brought this up before--see advancing age, above.) Trigger warning: classic seat to bars racing drop ahead:

[Tom Wyland]

The RBW Blue color is super impressive in person.  I happen to see one at Analog Cycles before they moved North.

Tom

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 5:10:45 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:

[Hetchins52]

Interesting how the "Bubbe" has become the "Bebe!"

Was it meant to be a kid carrier or just a stout bike that incorporated existing forks?

I think that the Rosco has my favorite head badge of all the Rivs!

David Lipsky in Berkeley

(Remembering his Russian Bubbie)

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 2:56:22 PM UTC-7, Pancake wrote:

Not from Paul and maybe not the swoops you’re after - but proud (Rosco) Bebe Daddy here happy to post pics.

.....
 Roberta wrote:
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[Joe Bernard]

They're separate projects. The Bubbe wasn't necessarily intended to be only stout frames, it was to do small runs of ideas Grant had with the spare forks lying around. Bebe was always the Baby Bike.

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 12:40:55 AM UTC+8, Pancake wrote:

Men on Mixties is already a thing: MOMs. From the 2018 Riv catalogue.

Are MOMs the polar opposite of MAMILs? :) 

[Vincent Tamer]

I agree with Bicycle Belle, no Wolbis, No Slugstone! Keep it classy Riv!

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 6:42:42 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

It lives, it's in the new newsletter and here's the pic. I have the somewhat dubious distinction (I think) of being the first "outsider" to know about this project when Grant and Will mentioned it to me at RBW last year. So now I'll start the thread!

It's fancy and swoopy and I dig it. I also dig the original name and decals (and sheep) so I'm adding my non-requested vote for keeping them. Check it out, it's pretty!

Joe Bernard
Marin County CA.  

[masmojo]

I've been sorta quiet on this bike; I'm taking a wait & see approach. I pretty much had my heart set on the Anniversary Mixte and I've sorta always be intrigued by Rivendell step throughs. When I first started lurking around here looking to replace my XO-1 with a Rivendell, I was looking strongly at an Yves Gomez or a Foy, but did not pull the trigger, because at the time I was opposed to caliper brakes on a bike that took wider tires.
This bike intrigues me, because although it has a longer wheelbase it does not appear as excessive as some of Rivendells recent offerings which kind of lost me. In fact it looks a lot like a Mixte version of my stolen Rosco Bubbe, which is a VERY good thing!
If they did it in the same red? Well, I'd likely be in. 👍🏼

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Mas, are you a 55 cm? I happen to know the wheelbase is 47.25” so not nearly as long as, say, my Clem. Might be just the ticket.

[Hetchins52]

You are correct!

Here's the RBW frame page description:

"Rosco Baby is the working name…in fact it may come with Rosco Bubbe graphics, because they already exist, and Rosco Bubbe has been for a few years now, our “catch-all” model for special project bikes."

Indeed it is decaled as a "Rosco Bubbe" with the lovely, rocket ship head-badge. 

David

[Joe Bernard]

I have one of those badges. Some guy didn't like it (🤷) so he pulled it and sold it to me for 20 bucks. I have no idea what I'll ever do with it, but it's cool!

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Well, the newsletter came out and no mention of the Fancy Cheviot. Nice write-up on Will’s bikes and lots of stuff back in stock, but where are the Hillibikes, Clems and this Cheviot?

It’s so hard to be patient...

[Joe Bernard]

My custom should be delivered back to RNW from Joe Bell's soon, too. I'm with ya Leah, no more patience, we want Rivs! 🤣

[Joe Bernard]

*RBW. I have no idea what RNW is 🤷

[DHans]

I know, right Leah. We need Cheviot and Clem L updates. It was a fun newsletter though. When I read the headline “Giant” back in stock list my mind went to do they carry Giant bikes and accessories? Just a temporary brain freeze but I had to laugh at myself.
Doug

[masmojo]

Right Leah, probably a 55.

Is ANYTHING as long as a Clem?

[Leah Peterson]

Yes, the waiting period to get our Cheviot! 🤣

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[Hetchins52]

I measured the Medium (53cm) Susie demo frame at RBWHQ as having a 125 cm/49.2" wheelbase (and 650b wheels)

The 59 cm Clem is listed by BikeInsights as having a 124 cm wheelbase (and 700c wheels)
They list the 52 cm Clem at 116.5 cm (and 650b wheels)

David Lipsky

Berkeley

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

David, do you know if that’s the 2019 geo? I’m nearly certain my 52 Clem has a wheelbase of 50 inches...I can re-measure if folks are shocked...

[Garth]

Leah, David is listing the Clem-H, not the -L. Yours is indeed longer .

The current -L wheelbase is as long as the Susie in 59cm, 131.4cm.  The 2 are in fact so close the deciding factor for me was the much higher head tube on the Susie than the -L.

https://bikeinsights.com/bikes/5ad94f910b7e170014f9dc21-rivendell-clem-smith-jr?build=l&version=2019-november-update

https://bikeinsights.com/bikes/5dd30c60b67a270017e929c8-rivendell-susie-w-longbolts-wolbis-slugstone

[Leah Peterson]

Yikes, Garth, so I was wrong - that’s nearly 52 inches. Yeah, I had to get a long wheelbase bar for my bike rack. The 47.25 in Cheviot will seem like a shortie.

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[Hetchins52]

OOPS! 

Sorry, Garth is correct, I looked at the H not the L. BikeInsights lists the 52 L wheelbase as being 125.9 cm and the 59L as 131.4cm and describe them as 'November 2019 update' model. Here is a link:

2019 November Update L

If you have not used this site, it is very useful for visualizing the difference between two bikes across brands and models. You can see a graphic of one bike laid on top of a second.

Unfortunately the Susie is not yet in their database. Like Garth, I prefer the longer head tube of the Susie. My 51 Appaloosa has a 16 cm head tube while the 53cm Susie measured 23 cm, so it will be much easier to get a higher handlebar position.

I ordered an orange one but the other choice is that nice Riv blue.... 

What do you think, Leah? A 53 or 56 Susie could be an earlier option as delivery should be this month!

DL

On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 10:06:14 AM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

Yikes, Garth, so I was wrong - that’s nearly 52 inches. Yeah, I had to get a long wheelbase bar for my bike rack. The 47.25 in Cheviot will seem like a shortie.

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Leah, David is listing the Clem-H, not the -L. Yours is indeed longer .

The current -L wheelbase is as long as the Susie in 59cm, 131.4cm.  The 2 are in fact so close the deciding factor for me was the much higher head tube on the Susie than the -L.

https://bikeinsights.com/bikes/5ad94f910b7e170014f9dc21-rivendell-clem-smith-jr?build=l&version=2019-november-update

https://bikeinsights.com/bikes/5dd30c60b67a270017e929c8-rivendell-susie-w-longbolts-wolbis-slugstone

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David, do you know if that’s the 2019 geo? I’m nearly certain my 52 Clem has a wheelbase of 50 inches...I can re-measure if folks are shocked...

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[Garth]

That's like a veritable land yacht !  I'm about to find that out whenever my Susie Slugged-a-Stone gets here. I'll be banging it all over the place, good thing it'll have big tires and no fenders.

In regards to paint, well I like variety myself. Give the blues and greens a break and do a nice bright red, and maybe some sort of cream color. I mean I see blue sky and green grass every day of my life... how about some contrasting complimentary colors !

[Leah Peterson]

Oh, David, my heart belongs to that lithe-looking mixte. I’ll wait, but I’ll also whine about it to pass the time. 😂 Therefore, when you see my posts on this thread just scroll on by! So much angst. It all goes back to the rumored Anniversary Mixte - I’ve essentially been waiting for that bike since it was announced last year, and then kept waiting when I heard the project was nixed and the “fancified Cheviot” was coming instead. So, lots of waiting. Interminable waiting. 

I won’t get sympathy from the Hillibike crowd - they have been waiting as long or longer for their bikes.

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[masmojo]

I guess one thing I am not clear on; is this Fancy Cheviot a new model (hence a different name) or is it going to replace the current model entirely (which was my assumption)?
In other words will there be a regular Cheviot & a fancy Cheviot.?

[Max S]

All the fancy, not terribly long chainstays:
https://2rin.wordpress.com/2019/04/17/580-mixte/

[Joe Bernard]

Mas: I don't have official word on it, but the fact that the new one may still be called a Cheviot tells me it's a replacement. The line of succession is Betty/Yvez, which was followed by the updated Cheviot, which will be followed by this update. Is what I'm assuming.

[masmojo]

That's what I thought, but it seemed like the talk was breaking down between "the new" Cheviot and Leah's "Fancy Cheviot". And then discussion of it having a new name seemed to indicate it was going to be something of a departure from the old, but based on the photo it seems to be more of a refinement than a totally new thing, so . . . .
New name? I don't care, but please not something silly. It's hard enough to get our local police to take Bicycle theft seriously; just try telling them that in addition to your bike being stolen, it was called a Roscoe Bubbe. Even worse trying to convince them that said Roscoe Bubbe was worth $2,700.!!!!
Pause to wait for them to stop laughing . . . . 🙄

[Mark Roland]

The potential for name embarrassment has been discussed (possibly way back in this thread). As far as the name of this model,  when the new Cheviut design was unveiled in a recent newsletter, Will mentioned that it was thought the changes might be substantial enough to warrant giving the bicycle a new name, and that this idea was currently under discussion. Since that mention, no final word has been issued from RBW headquarters regarding a possible name change, or whether it might involve an anagram contest, or any other information. Just speculation here on the list.

[Joe Bernard]

And now..this.

[Lyman Labry]

Pretty cool!

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[Joe Bernard]

I rode the green one. It's perfect.

[Leah Peterson]

Well well well!

I know you’re building your custom and all your threads are on fire here, but drink a Red Bull and hurry up so we can hear all these details!

What did you think?

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[Pancake]

Thanks for the pics!
Noticed v-brakes in rear but not front, wonder if that’s just them waiting on different forks and nothing yet for prototypes or if the plan is for some asymmetry.
Very good look to them, can’t wait to see the final version!

[Joe Bernard]

Oh, I didn't even notice that. It's a fork thing, the bikes will have v-brakes.

Leah, unfortunately I don't have much to add. I rode it and it rides like a Riv and it's great and you should buy one! Or a custom! 🤣

[JAS]

Oh please, let there be other colors!  Where's the RBW blue?  Maybe the demos just get whatever paint is in supply....I hope so.

[Tom Wyland]

ORANGE! ORANGE! ORANGE!

That orange one looks huge. 

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

One of the things I hoped is that the mixte tube is not, as Roberta calls it, a trip-through. As in, let’s get the tube as low as we can. Is it just me seeing what I want to see, or does the top tube appear nice and low?

[Tom Wyland]

I think if they end up making the 55cm (aka medium frame) a little "bigger" it will help give people a choice of choosing a frame with a lower step-through. The recommended sizing for the current Cheviot really pushes "medium" candidates to the large frame size.  The large size's step over is pretty darn high as I recall.

[Leah Peterson]

Tom, you are absolutely right. Grant says the 60 rides superiorly to the 55 and encourages you to get the 60 if you can make it work. I happened to ride Grant’s 60 when I visited in 2019, and got too acquainted with that top tube when I jumped off that bike. Shudder. Not how a mixte should be! I don’t remember actual numbers, but I remember looking at the geometry chart and seeing that the 60’s top tube was MUCH higher than 55. Dealbreaker!

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I think if they end up making the 55cm (aka medium frame) a little "bigger" it will help give people a choice of choosing a frame with a lower step-through. The recommended sizing for the current Cheviot really pushes "medium" candidates to the large frame size.  The large size's step over is pretty darn high as I recall.

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One of the things I hoped is that the mixte tube is not, as Roberta calls it, a trip-through. As in, let’s get the tube as low as we can. Is it just me seeing what I want to see, or does the top tube appear nice and low?

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[Abcyclehank]

Leah,

Have you put your money down on the fancy Cheviot yet. Joe probably has changed his mind and would steer you to a custom again. 58.5 Custom true Mixte with low trip over height.
Can already hear you singing its praises like no one can on this list. Custom gives you the advantage of selecting any special color you desire 🤔

Ryan
West Michigan

[Leah Peterson]

Ryan,

If I could get RBW to take my money I’d have gladly handed it over! Alas, not taking pre-order money YET.

You are right - custom would get me the whole darn kit and caboodle, as they say up North. I’ve contemplated both routes - custom, production, custom, production, and more than once in this process. And depending upon the future (WILL this bike be made?) of the Fancy Cheviot and the timeline (do we get it in a few months or 2 years?) I still may change my mind. I can wait a while, but if I have to wait as long as the Hillibike folks have been waiting for their bikes, no, that’s a deal-breaker and I’ll go custom.

But...the Fancy Cheviot is nearly 100% what I would have made as a custom anyway. I don’t care about the fancy lugs much, so it really doesn’t make sense to spend the extra money. So, instead of going custom, I could get this Fancy Cheviot and then put really fancy parts on it and have it painted red, and still come in at less money than I would for a custom. I’m hoping to make the Cheviot as elegant as my Clem is goofy.

So far I’m thinking:
Dyno, the expensive kind. 😬
Another light and fancy wheelset, tubeless if I like it on my Clem
Possibly a 1x, but we’ll see
Light parts (aluminum Boscos instead of steel, etc)

So, $$$. Better stay with production, unless production isn’t happening/severely delayed.

Also, Riv makes more money if you buy their production bikes than if you order a custom. Another perk.
Leah

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[Joe Bernard]

Leah, here's a comparison with my 55cm Cheviot and the green one I rode. My eye sees an ever so slightly lower tube on the Fancy, but they're both low anyway. When I was riding yesterday it was super easy to mount/dismount, and the frame felt like everything was way down there out of the way. I think you'd be fine with it as opposed to a 60, which is hardly even a mixte for our height!

[Joe Bernard]

Let's try that again in a photo you can actually see, shall we?

[Doug Hansford]

Joe,
Any idea what a complete build would cost?
Doug

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[Tom Wyland]

Joe, what size was the green Fancy Cheviot? If that photo was the same saddle height, then it looks way smaller than 55 (look at the exposed seatpost).

[Joe Bernard]

Doug: Riv lugged MIT frames go for about $1500 so you can extrapolate from there same as on, say, a Sam or Appaloosa build. $3500? That's probably a fair guess for the basic Riv Kit if you're buying all new from them.

Ryan: Nope, I'm back in the production camp for Our Bicycle Belle today (I'll change my mind again tomorrow). That Cheviot I rode is magic and she'd love it. Three prototypes already in action tells me a new Fancy Cheviot is on the horizon.

[Joe Bernard]

Tom, I don't know the size but the saddle was WAY too high for me. I hopped on for a quick ride down the driveway before leaving, I didn't bother looking for a wrench to set it up. I would have knocked it down to about where you see mine on the blue one. But good catch!