Not Buying New Goat, WTB Clem

[Kiley Demond]

Now that the frenetic energy behind the release of a new iPhone, er, I mean Riv, has died down a pinch, I have come to my senses and will do as I originally intended and buy a Clem L. I would be delighted to purchase a “pre-owned” one, especially if the proceeds from that sale go back to Riv to purchase a new bike. I am no longer particular about the color (although the Dutch in me that loves bikes also loves orange), but I haven’t gotten shorter (much), so I need a 59. I am also willing to purchase just the frame as my Cheviot experience got me over any fear of working on bikes despite my hemispheric reversal (think: outbound dyslexia); I just get to do most mechanical things twice!

And as far as a name for the Cheviot replacement, I agree with Joe that it is a silly game to play, with Leah that Platypus conveys nothing positive, and offer only the idea of playing with the goat theme (and a few options; afterall, I am a writer). In playing with my friend Google, I found this one: “Clay Henry” a famous beer-drinking goat from the Starlight Saloon. Since I love the name “Henry”, it seems perfect to me. There is also some mention of “Chamois” when inquiring about Middle Earth goats (goats are not directly mentioned), and “Khardh” does shake out as a beast remotely related to the bison, that could “move through the forest with ease”.

Ultimately, since I name my individual rides, the name isn’t as critical (the badge, however, is pure gold). My Cheviot was named “Heidi” (I mixed up goats and sheep), my massive Dutch Workcycle’s Ladies Secret Service was named “Mathilda”, my Terry Valkyrie was named “Angela” and so on.

[DHans]

Kiley, you are thinking the same as me. I wanted the new Cheviot and decided it was worth the cost and I’d go all in for it, even though I shouldn’t spend that much. I’m back in the Clem L camp where I need to be. I can build it just like I want and spend extra for dyno since the frame is much less costly. Racks, fenders, all that stuff. Besides, I really want 650b. I heard that the new L’s will be the same blue and dark green (see link). https://www.rivbike.com/collections/framesets/products/complete-bicycle-clem-l
Doug

[Kiley Demond]

I really overstepped my financial bounds when I bought the Cheviot. Ironically, I test rode both at Riv before I decided. The Cheviot had a slightly nicer ride that I never would have noticed if it hadn’t been side testing, I loved looking at the fancy lug on the head tube, and I liked its orange better (such a girl). Every time my life had a crisis of sorts, I bought a new bike. Gave me something to focus on, tinkering is very soothing, and riding is freeing. This will be the first time in decades, I just buy a bike and it will be nice to demonstrate a learning curve;-).

[Patrick Moore]

Kiley: I have no present interest in a Clem -- we'll see about the future -- since I have 2 bike projects in the pipeline and #3 just might be a mini-velo, but I have to say that I'd love to see your future Clem, hear it's name, and decide if name and appearance match (photos required).

Moreover, I must demand to see photos of your "massive Dutch Workcycle's" Ladies bike and demand to know why you called it Mathilda, which is a name hoary with reverence and not to be taken lightly. I hope for your sake you did not take it lightly. Even Mat(h)ilda did not get off lightly:

http://holyjoe.org/poetry/belloc4.htm

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[Joe Bernard]

I want to see the Dutch Bike, too.

[Je Mar]

I can’t see how the love of orange (the proven best color) for a bike frame makes anyone too much or such an Example of anything negative.

[Max S]

“Every time my life had a crisis of sorts, I bought a new bike.”

Hey, I resemble that remark!

- Max “I guess the last few years have been somewhat stressful, and learning to meditate might help my bank account” in A2

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Kiley, I hope you can find one - the Clem Ls seem to get kept - I have a secondhand one but man, they’re just so rare. BUT, the good news is that there’s a shipment of them arriving Julyish at Rivendell. They won’t be that much more than buying used, so that’s the good news, I guess. It’s just so hard to wait. Ugh.
Leah

[Brian Campbell]

Here is a Clem/Betty alternate FS on a sister Google Group. I am in no way affiliated!

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/internet-bob/yQoMtMn95xE

[Kiley Demond]

Patrick, here you go: Mathilda, so named as it seemed like a strong Dutch female name for my Work Cycles Ladies Secret Service. (Digression: I bought the bike direct from the Netherlands. The local dealers (I lived in the Bay Area at the time) all wanted more money, and worse, a long wait, because the largest women's size was a special order. I rode one size down at a nice little bicycle shop at the Town & Country mall in Palo Alto, across from Stanford. Workcycles had the matte black in stock, the exchange rate was decent, and most shockingly UPS Air shipping was really affordable (under $200), so I wired the money. 2013 seems like forever ago.) 

I liked the Mathilda verse you sent. I was the tomgirl who got in trouble, but never serious enough trouble; mostly class clown, rules-don't-apply-to-me trouble (all girl's school so it is all relative). I was blessed with an education that encouraged women to be independent in all ways, led by thinking, so I relate to the Mathildas of the world.

Now, where was I... What I found with this bike and all the women-specific bikes I rode, was that they were really twitchy. The exception was my Trek Pilot that was a beauty of a road bike. I think it is because the geometry doesn't pan out as the frame gets larger. It isn't a constant increase across all parts (add 10% to all measurements, or somesuch). The Terry frame looks downright squished; it had flat handlebars. The design was to accommodate longer legs coupled with shorter arms; aka women's geometry. And I think we all know how a short, tall bike would handle. My extra-long femurs exaggerated the issue to absurd levels, no matter how many adjustments were made to components; they could never compensate for the shortcomings inherent in the frame design, and frequently made things worse. The ONE thing no one could comprehend was how just putting high, swept-back handlebars would fix darn near everything by allowing for the proper geometry for a bike to handle well and be comfortable (well, except Grant, of course).

On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 12:22:16 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

Kiley: I have no present interest in a Clem -- we'll see about the future -- since I have 2 bike projects in the pipeline and #3 just might be a mini-velo, but I have to say that I'd love to see your future Clem, hear it's name, and decide if name and appearance match (photos required).

Moreover, I must demand to see photos of your "massive Dutch Workcycle's" Ladies bike and demand to know why you called it Mathilda, which is a name hoary with reverence and not to be taken lightly. I hope for your sake you did not take it lightly. Even Mat(h)ilda did not get off lightly:

http://holyjoe.org/poetry/belloc4.htm

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 10:13 AM Kiley Demond <khde...@gmail.com> wrote:

Now that the frenetic energy behind the release of a new iPhone, er, I mean Riv, has died down a pinch, I have come to my senses and will do as I originally intended and buy a Clem L. I would be delighted to purchase a “pre-owned” one, especially if the proceeds from that sale go back to Riv to purchase a new bike. I am no longer particular about the color (although the Dutch in me that loves bikes also loves orange), but I haven’t gotten shorter (much), so I need a 59. I am also willing to purchase just the frame as my Cheviot experience got me over any fear of working on bikes despite my hemispheric reversal (think: outbound dyslexia); I just get to do most mechanical things twice!

And as far as a name for the Cheviot replacement, I agree with Joe that it is a silly game to play, with Leah that Platypus conveys nothing positive, and offer only the idea of playing with the goat theme (and a few options; afterall, I am a writer). In playing with my friend Google, I found this one: “Clay Henry” a famous beer-drinking goat from the Starlight Saloon. Since I love the name “Henry”, it seems perfect to me. There is also some mention of “Chamois” when inquiring about Middle Earth goats (goats are not directly mentioned), and “Khardh” does shake out as a beast remotely related to the bison, that could “move through the forest with ease”. 

Ultimately, since I name my individual rides, the name isn’t as critical (the badge, however, is pure gold). My Cheviot was named “Heidi” (I mixed up goats and sheep), my massive Dutch Workcycle’s Ladies Secret Service was named “Mathilda”, my Terry Valkyrie was named “Angela” and so on.

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