Rivendell has the almost perfect crankset for me

[Joel]

So close but I use 165mm arms.  Their 38/24 would be ideal for me.  I run a triple now, 48/36/24  and rarely go to my big ring, rarely leave the 36.  I use a 6 speed FW, usually 13-26 but on my new frame will try 13-28 as I have a nice Suntour asking to be used.  Does anyone make what I am looking for? 

Joel

[Linda G]

I'm in a similar situation, needing a  double crank in 165  with low gearing ( 42-26). I have a White Industries VBC road square taper on one bike and Sugino OX 601D on the other. The White Industries would work for you but they are expensive. I bought the Sugino from Soma but they don't seem to carry them any more. When I got it, you bought the crank arms and chainrings separately so you could customize. The White Industries also works that way. The Sugino was not cheap either. The White Industries looks and rides very nice and seems to be better quality than the Sugino. I dread setting up another bike because of the difficulties of finding a crank that will work for me. Good luck!

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Linda, I will look at these, you never know.  

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[Joe Bernard]

Utah Trikes has FSA Gossamer cranks in 165. 52-39-30 isn't what most of us are looking for, but you can ditch (or just not shift to) the 52 and replace the 30t with a 24.

They also have a couple cranks in 152 which is what I use. Shorty cranks are awesome!

https://www.utahtrikes.com/UTCAT-181.html

[lconley]

Another not cheap solution is Rene Herse (formerly Compass) - they have a 42/26 with 165 arms. Their standard double is slightly cheaper that their 12 speed compatible.

Laing

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Joe but I’d rather go with a if possible 46 or 48 38 and 26 for 24

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[Joel Stern]

Thank you Laing..... they sure are pricey....  but I will have to see, wish a used one would pop up

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[Peter White]

Joel,

Stronglight has a 165mm triple crank I can get for $144.00. It comes with the softer 5083 aluminum chainrings. But when they wear out you can replace them with their top quality 7075-T6 rings. It's also available as a double for less money but not with a 38 tooth outer ring. And you can't get a 24 tooth ring on a 110mm bolt circle anyway. So the triple is the way to go.

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[J L]

Just for a point of clarity, Rivendell sells a triple crank with a chain guard and two rings (middle and granny) in a couple of configurations. They do not sell a sub-compact double. Some of the other cranks mentioned here are doubles that allow small ring (outer and inner) combinations.

[Linda G]

Thanks Laing, I didn't realize that the Compass came in 165. I seem to remember that they just came in a longer length originally.

[Jason Fuller]

Can't you just replace the outer ring with the Riv guard, and the 36 with a 38?  Or are you needing an additional crankset? 

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Peter, are these decent?  Made in France?  I’ve been disappointed in the Sugino quality.  I know the Stronglight and Sugino are hot forged, not sure if they suffer from same flaws, the Sugino, 2 of them look like there is a small chip on one spot of the spider, I assume it if from taking it out of the die (mold). 

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[Joel Stern]

I need a new crankset, for a new bike. 

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Can't you just replace the outer ring with the Riv guard, and the 36 with a 38?  Or are you needing an additional crankset? 

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[EasyRider]

Joel, what about the 48/36/26 Sugino XD600 triple? It comes in a 165mm length and it’s what Rivendell sold before developing the Silver cranks.

[Garth]

   Joel, 

  Origin8 makes 110 double and 130/74 triple crank arm sets in a wide range of lengths, including 165. I use their 150mm 110 double with 36/46 rings and a 13-32 7sp. FW on my road bike. I don't have the triple but I had considered it if I ever decided to use say 24/38/bash rings or even 24/38/44 . 38t is the smallest ring for 130 BCD, which is fine as long as you are working within your desired range; So in that sense, don't discount any 130/74 crank if you're going the 24/38+/bash route. 

  Origin8's triple comes in 145/155/165, the double comes in 140-170mm @every 5mm. The tread width if I recall of the double w/110mm Shimano BB is about 156mm or so. That's from outside of the arm @pedal hole to the same on the other side. 

  I broke 2 sets of the XD 152's, the first time ever a crank failed for me. Both @ the pedal hole. That particular mold is different from the regular XD, I'm surprised Sugino continues to sell such a product. The 150mm Origin8's are notably stiffer and nice and straight. Riv owners may look at the $50 price an up their nose, because "more dollars means better, right ?" "Cold forged means better, right ? "  Hah .... we all say anything to justify whatever we buy and sell. 

 

[Nick Payne]

I just use a Sugino XD and replace the outer ring with a chainguard. On this one, which is also 165mm, the chainguard is just an old chainring with the teeth cut off and smoothed, and the chainrings are 38-26:

Nick

[Mark Roland]

I don't think I ever noticed that the Rivendell Silver cranks don't come in 165 lengths. Has this been ruminated upon here on the list?

Rene Herse has a mold for each size crank. More expensive, but stronger. And they expanded the size range when people complained. Other manufacturers use the same molds and machine the arms to final length. It's a puzzle to me why Rivendell cranks stop at 170. It would seem to me that the 165 length would help more folks than 184--or even 178. I wonder if it has to do with the arm design, the mold, the manufacturing that doesn't allow it to be made that "short" (I don't consider it short--it's a good length for many people. If they made a 160 or 155, that would be the equivalent of the 184 in the other direction) If this is the case, I would say that is a design flaw.

[Joel Stern]

I put in another order for a Sugino today, 46/36/26. That will work for me. I had two they look like seconds and I really do not want a new crank that looks like it was pitted. I am disappointed with these and think there are some 2nd quality ones out there. I will soon see if the next one will work.. I hope so as I do not want to order a Stronglight that I have never seen or order one from Europe and then really no good return option.

Thanks

Joel

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Joel, what about the 48/36/26 Sugino XD600 triple? It comes in a 165mm length and it’s what Rivendell sold before developing the Silver cranks.

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[John Hawrylak]

Joel

Did you consider a 42T or 44T large ring with a 36T middle in a triple??  It should give 1 step gearing (depending on the FW cogs) so the large ring gears are just 1 step above the middle ring gears.  You could ride on either ring and front shifting would be easy and just like a cog change.    Your 48-36 is 2 step or higher, so some of the reluctance to use the large may be due to it.

Right now your 36T tops out at about 73gi.  A 42T large should give a 85gi top, 1 step higher if the cog spacing is 2T in the smaller cogs.

John Hawrylak

Woodstown NJ

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[Joel Stern]

If a triple it is ok.  There are no doubles that I can find to suite me with a 165mm arm.  I will get a triple and hardly ever use the large, like on my Bleriot. I need 26 or 24 for hills, I am using a 6 speed FW and that is the rub.  If I had a 32 in the rear then maybe.  

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[Ray Varella]

Joel,

Are you opposed to a TA pro 5 vis?

I run them on a couple bikes. 

The small rings only go down to 26 but you can configure them as doubles or triples. 

Ray

[Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 9:38:54 AM UTC-7, Ray Varella wrote:

Joel,

Are you opposed to a TA pro 5 vis?

I run them on a couple bikes. 

The small rings only go down to 26 but you can configure them as doubles or triples.

Don't those need suitable (and usually vintage) front derailleurs with non-contoured cages?

[Joel Stern]

NIck, very nice.

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[Ray Varella]

Those are the type I’ve always used Benz. 

Suntour Cyclone and Superbe. 

I also have an early Deer Head Shimano that worked fine. 

Ray

[Bill Schairer]

I might add that the vintage front derailleurs seem to usually be lighter (If that matters) and, to my eye, far prettier (definitely matters) than the new stuff. I ditched the stock front derailleur on my Atlantis simply because it was just too ugly for words. On top of that, vintage perform just fine and probably better than the new stuff if one likes to choose non-standard chainring combinations for truly customized gearing. About the only time I’ve experienced any advantage to a sculpted cage is shifting a triple on a tandem.

Bill S

[Dorothy C]

Joel
I have a Sugino XD2L 165 triple bought from Rivendell that has under 500 miles on it. I replaced it with the 170 Silver as that works a bit better for my long legs. It is 46/36/24.
There is a little bit of pedal gouge on the crank arms but otherwise in good condition. $50 plus shipping? If you interested, let me know

[Joel Stern]

Dorothy I tried to leave you a private message but I’m not sure if you’ve gotten it or not please let me know. Thank you,

Joel

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[Kieran J]

Another option is the SunXCD arms with some 50.4BCD TA rings in the tooth count you desire. They come in 165mm:

https://www.veloduo.co.uk/products/sun-tour-sunxcd-crank-arms-50-4-bcd-110-bcd-stronglight-49d-ta-cyclotouriste

KJ

[Joel]

I've looked into these, I could get a decent range of 40/26.

[Joel]

I did try to send ma private message but I am having trouble doing that today.

Have you had any experience with the SunXCD and  the Cycletouriste chain rings some are using? I wonder how they may have worked together? 

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[Mark Anderson]

The trike I bought from Utah Trikes this past Feb. came with the FSA crank Joe mentions. The bearings failed at about 1200 miles of gentle riding in cool, clean, dry Utah—not an exactly stellar service life. Utah trikes was decidedly unhelpful regarding any warranty claim as well. The Gossamer bottom brackets have a pretty abysmal reputation for durability it seems, matching my experience.

I know Origin8 makes a range of square-taper cranks in shorter lengths, but I have no experience with them myself.

Mark Anderson

[Mark Anderson]

I meant to add that the Origin8 cranks tend to be inexpensive and sold without chainrings, this they don’t come with the wrong rings.

Mark

[Joel Stern]

What about Tange Sakae 

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 10:16 AM Mark Anderson <eye....@gmail.com> wrote:

I meant to add that the Origin8 cranks tend to be inexpensive and sold without chainrings, this they don’t come with the wrong rings.



Mark

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[John Hawrylak]

Joel

Have you considered the Tange BB RBW sells via Merry Sales??   Should last a lifetime with normal repackings.  The 11 ball retainer is available as a Campy spare part..

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bottom-brackets/products/sd16klsej-lkangkn

John Hawrylak

Woodstown NJ

[Joel Stern]

John, I have one ready to go.  Not from RBW one, I think they are out of stock.  

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[Nick Payne]

Should be fine. Veloduo in the UK sell exactly that combination: https://www.veloduo.co.uk/collections/sunxcd/products/sunxcd-50-4bcd-double-chainset-44-32-or-48-32-ta-cyclotouriste-stronglight-49d.

Apart from using the TA chainrings on the TA and Stronglight 49D cranks, I've also used the TA chainrings with Sugino PX cranks and the early 1980s Shimano Deore touring cranks, which both use the 50.4mm BCD for mounting the outer ring. Here is a PX crank I setup with TA 36-26 chainrings - well actually, the outer ring is a TA and the inner is a Sugino:

Can't remember where I got the 36t outer chainrings - I bought three of them years ago, but according to their website, TA only make Pro Vis 5 outer chainrings down to 40t these days.

Nick

[Joel Stern]

Nick, how do you like a 36 as your tallest and what is your FE/Cassette?  The smallest outer you can get now is a 40, so someone could do a 40/26,  

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