Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Doug H.]

Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the upcoming Lugged Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may replace the Roadini as the partially lugged more affordable road bike. I appreciate the cream colored head tubes and full lugs but I also really like my solid Mermaid Roadini so I don't feel like I'm missing out. 

Will the Charlie H Gallup be longer than the Roadini? If so, I do think it might work better for me but we shall see. For those waiting for the CHG, Grant lists them as coming in September.

Doug

[Conway Bennett]

Throw some Canti posts on the Roadini while they are brazing, and I'm a buyer.

[Joe Bernard]

Doug, 

My understanding (which may be wrong, my memory for stuff I read a while ago seems to have left me as I recently approached my 62nd birthday) is the CHG will also be lugged and probably not cheap. It will be longer-stayed than the Roadini. It's coming September! I know at least one friend of ours who will be thrilled with this news. 

Joe Bernard 

[Doug H.]

Joe,

Glad you corrected me on that one. I know Grant prefers lugs so makes sense. And, yes, we know someone waiting patiently for the Charlie Gallup! Or, not so patiently...

Doug

[Johnny Alien]

I think the Gallop is going to be fully lugged correct? The geometry is probably pretty close through the iterations but visually its very different than how it started. Its been quite some time since they offered a fully lugged road frame I standard production. I prefer the swoop and canti posts BUT it looks really nice and I still appreciate the angled top tube. They say its designed for sweptback but can handle drops. I think they should just lean in hard one way or the other. I have mine set up with sweptback because I feel like thats where it was supposed to go. But also interesting is that means there is no road focused drop by bike in the standard lineup. At least not designed to be so. I think that the Gallop and Roadini could co-exist with the Roadini being more affordable and 100% road focused with drops. I don't think thats what is happening though, I think the Roadini is goin away for now.

[Johnny Alien]

Man I wish I could edit posts here. My typing is terrible and my review skills are poor.

[Johnny Alien]

Wait....lugged Roadini?? I thought you just messed up and meant Susie. There is a lugged Roadini coming? Has that been discussed before?

[Doug H.]

I hope I'm not spreading misinformation but in Grant's latest Blahg he mentions a Lugged Roadini in October. Does that mean fully lugged? It think so but not 100% sure. This Blahg is loaded with good stuff too if you haven't seen it check it out.

Doug

[Johnny Alien]

You are not. I just peeked again and thats 100% what it says.

[Jim M.]

Here's a shot of a Gallop at RBW last week. Lugs everywhere but bottom bracket. I like the ride but would prefer drop bars, at least at this size. The recommendation is buy the size smaller than recommended if you want drops. 

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July or something. Like, during riding season!

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

[Mathias Steiner]

>> frame schedule and the upcoming Lugged Roadini.

The Rivendell product schedule is like a fever dream.

So many variations on one  theme -- or maybe two themes.  Go-fast yet comfortable, which are the most interesting bikes to me (Roadini, Gallop, AHH, maybe Sam), plus the long step-through bikes, which I'd have to try one to see what I'm missing. They started showing up, what, a decade ago, and I lose track how many iterations have been built.

I'm not against step-through, it just doesn't solve any problems for me. The recent 'string test' video showing how flexy Clem & Co get under load was a real eye opener. I would have predicted a small fraction of the movement shown. And in typical Riv fashion, they point out it's "unscientific" testing -- looked pretty good to me -- and then show exactly what they found. You have to respect that kind of integrity. I'm pushing 200 lbs. ready to ride and I don't want my bike to flex that much. Diamond frames for me, and chain stays 46 cm and shorter.

Given the choice, I'll take lugged over TIG'd also, but I wouldn't spend much time worrying about it. Aesthetics are good, but I ride to ride. That's a lot of effort to make Roadini version 2. I'm really surprised by that. It's not like welded frames are weaker.

Sometimes the Riv model carousel is reminiscent of the car industry in the 60s, with models updating every year. Judging by the purchasing habits of this group, it's a sound strategy ;)

I continue to be intrigued and baffled by Rivendell. I'm a regular parts customer and their products have made my riding more pleasant. But some of their orthodoxy doesn't do it for me. Like riding without padded shorts, to which I returned early this year, and which worked great for long, cool rides... until I hit a muggy day and spent forty miles sandpapering the backs of my legs with soggy cotton. Not fun,  two weeks to heal, and nobody's fault but mine. So much learning.

I'll stop this rant and go ride my bike.

cheers -mathias

[Joe Bernard]

"Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July or something. Like, during riding season!"

I concede that this would be better!

[Tim Bantham]

I saw the mention of the lugged Roadini. I am 99% certain I will order one once they become available.

[Johnny Alien]

I'm curious about the whole lugged Roadini thing now. The Susie I understand because its a cost/time of manufacture thing but in the case of the Roadini it basically is just upping the cost. Unless the feeling is that a lugged model will just sell better regardless of a higher price.

[Valerie Yates]

I just finished tweaking the set up on my 2022 Gallop demo - purple with swoop tube, non-canti version. It rides like a dream. Super silky and nimble. One mistake I had made was to install a heavy duty pannier rack on it. It made the bike feel very noodley. I was tempted to sell it. I think that's why this reviewer complained about its flex. He shows it with the same rack I initially had on it. 

When I switched to a top rack, since it was only being used for my tail light and lock, everything came together. Now, I love it for unloaded riding on rough and hilly local roads. I have a huge smile whenever I am riding it. So just chiming in with a note of caution in setting it up for its intended purpose. It is not meant as a loaded touring bike and, even without a load, a rack that is too stiff will impact its performance.  Can't wait to see the set-ups on the production models. 

[Leah Peterson]

Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this bike. Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? Have you ridden it on a club ride? Do you find it to be quick and lively? What was the reason you bought your Charlie? 

I don’t know why the lugged Roadini, either. Anyone know?

Leah

On May 5, 2024, at 7:00 PM, Valerie Yates <vya...@gmail.com> wrote:

I just finished tweaking the set up on my 2022 Gallop demo - purple with swoop tube, non-canti version. It rides like a dream. Super silky and nimble. One mistake I had made was to install a heavy duty pannier rack on it. It made the bike feel very noodley. I was tempted to sell it. I think that's why this reviewer complained about its flex. He shows it with the same rack I initially had on it. 

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[Jason Fuller]

Good info Valerie!  As the reviewer you are noting, yep, I can totally see what you mean and I agree that what I was using it for wasn't quite right for what it was as a bike. My Hillborne is actually the perfect bike for what I was trying to do. 

I'd bet the production version of the CHG will be less wiggly too, just visually going by the diameter of the top tube. I am sure it's still got nice springy flex, though. Seems like it's basically a longer wheelbase Homer, which seems absolutely perfect for a certain someone who appears to already know this bike is perfect for their club ride needs. 

[Paul M]

I purchased a Sergio green Roadini from the last run of framesets. The tig welding on this frame had some very poor welding beads. Definitely not what I would expect on a $1300 frame. Maybe it was just this frame, but I feel that it certainly could have been on the other Roadini's. That could explain the move to a lugged Roadini frame. I sold it and bought a mustard Homer (lugged :).

[Tony Lockhart]

Totally agree with you, Paul. I know I'm being picky, but the welds on my Roadini look pretty sloppy. Best believe it's going up for sale just so long as (1) the Lugged Leo has the same snappy ride quality and (2) it comes in blue. Not sure what compelled me to sell my Soma SanMarcos ten years ago, but this would be a great replacement. Keeping my fingers crossed.

Wouldn't it be great if it had the Red/White color scheme like the early Roadeos??  /wishful thinking

[Ryan]

maybe they're offering a lugged Roadini to reduce the demand for lugged MN-built Roadeos with their long wait times? And offer another alternative to said long(2 years) wait times. Which are now quoted at $3886 CAD; all models are quoted in CAD interestingly enough

[Ryan]

CAD because my settings were in CAD...still $2800 in USD....sorry

[Valerie Yates]

Jason - - Hi! I am glad you agree. I was really surprised what an improvment it was to remove that rack from it. I thought your review was excellent overall. Very detailed and informative. I also agree re Hilborne. That is better choice for carrying a load without impacting its performance. I have not ridden a Homer.  

Leah -- I will answer your questions in a separate thread. :)   

[Sarah Carlson]

Valerie, I want to hear the answers to all the questions! You are one of the few people riding this rare unicorn bike.... I want to know all the things!

Sarah

[Tom]

I called Riv today to ask several questions, one of which was the status on the lugged Roadini. It seems that originally the launch was scheduled for this Fall. However, they’re applying the Roaduno delay to the lugged Roadini, meaning it’s likely it wont be available until early 2025. Several other bikes are ahead of it, including Appaloosa, Gallup.

Tom

[Jay]

I would be interested in a lugged Roadini If I could easily strip my complete build, sell the frames for like 85% of what I paid (in Feb) and then rebuild with a few modifications from my original build.  Mostly though, I would select a 54cm over a 57cm.  I'm running my C17 as far forward on the rails as possible on a straight seat post.  It's fine, and I still love the bike, but I could have went down a size (I was between sizes).  My Roadini has good welds to my eye, more about the size and maybe the new colour scheme (that mermaid Atlantis colour...hmm, that would be a done deal if they offered that colour).

[Tom]

I hear you. But 85% is La La land in my experience for a non-lugged Riv frame. This coming from someone who sold a pristine D&D custom painted Roadini for far less than 85% for what I paid. 

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