Wald basket rusting. Equivalent in stainless steel? Or how to prevent rust?

[J J]

Has anyone come across a good stainless steel basket around the same size as the 139? I'm not concerned about weight. I love the Wald, but the rusting has gotten too much. 

Or has anyone successfully treated a new Wald with a clear coat of some sort to mitigate rusting? If so, what did you use?

Thanks very much.

[amill...@gmail.com]

One option might be Analog’s cerakoted baskets.

Best,

Aaron in El Paso 

On Jul 11, 2022, at 14:09, J J <junes...@gmail.com> wrote:

Has anyone come across a good stainless steel basket around the same size as the 139? I'm not concerned about weight. I love the Wald, but the rusting has gotten too much. 

Or has anyone successfully treated a new Wald with a clear coat of some sort to mitigate rusting? If so, what did you use?

Thanks very much.

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[Jon Dukeman]

Wald baskets are made of steel and zinc plated.

Suggest removing your basket and mix 50/50 water and white vinegar and scrub affected area with steel wool.

Rinse and spray paint with black primer / top coat Rustoleum.

If rust is too much then find a new inexpensive 139 on line. I saw one for 19.99.

I painted my basket and the paint has held up well. I touch up as needed.

Jon

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[J J]

Thanks, Aaron and Jon. I appreciate your suggestions!

[Philip Williamson]

Wald baskets come in black. Rivendell even has their large “racer” baskets in black. I was intrigued by Analog’s cerakote stuff, but it was mostly out of stock. Cool idea, nice colors.

The only rusting I’ve had on my baskets is the bits where I sanded the zinc off so my friend could weld the basket to a rack.

Philip

Sonoma County, Calif

[Richard Rose]

Analog Cycles has some that are cerakoted. It’s tougher than powder. I have a 137 from them & is great. Though as we speak it appears they only have 137 half & full baskets. Worth a call though. Or finding a local cerakote applicator.

https://analogcycles.com/collections/basksets

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On Jul 11, 2022, at 4:09 PM, J J <junes...@gmail.com> wrote:

Has anyone come across a good stainless steel basket around the same size as the 139? I'm not concerned about weight. I love the Wald, but the rusting has gotten too much. 

Or has anyone successfully treated a new Wald with a clear coat of some sort to mitigate rusting? If so, what did you use?

Thanks very much.

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[Brian Turner]

I purchased a Nitto rack from Analog back in 2020, and it has the Cerakote finish on it. It looks great of course, but I was surprised at how fast the coating wore off in certain spots where my bag rested on the top of the rack. I wonder if the material of a bag placed inside a Wald basket with Cerakote would abrade the basket finish in the same manner with normal riding? I think Cerakote is a thinner coating than say, powdercoat, but I had assumed it would be a bit more durable.

[J J]

Good morning all. Appreciate your responses, Philip, Richard, and Brian. 

I suppose I'm ignorant about how zinc plating on steel works — is it supposed to be a great rust inhibitor? I attached a photo of the basket in question. I was installing fenders on my Hunq and got a good look at the underside of the basket and saw that it was basically covered in rust. So I took it off, and noticed that the rusted points that contacted the Nitto Campee rack caused pitting on the rack. I have ridden in wet conditions occasionally, but nothing drastic. I wonder how common this extent of rusting is? The rust on mine took buseage right up to the cliff and then over the edge!

[Wesley]

Yes, zinc inhibits rusting - it is sacrificial, so the zinc is meant to oxidize before the iron but it eventually runs out. Zinc coating is also pretty weakly attached to the underlying steel (kind of like paint). For serious marine and industrial applications, the steel would be hot-dip galvanized (dipped into a bath of molten zinc).
-W

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J J,

A zinc coating is electrically applied where galvanizing is hot dipped into a zinc solution. Galvanizing gives you better corrosion protection, but they’re both zinc coatings.

That is a lot of rust. If you want to keep using the basket, you could try a rust converter on it. I’m glad you’re installing fenders as it looks like they’re very much needed where you are.

Best,

Aaron in El Paso 

On Jul 12, 2022, at 08:04, J J <junes...@gmail.com> wrote:

Good morning all. Appreciate your responses, Philip, Richard, and Brian. 

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[lconley]

What is the cost of buying a new basket occasionally vs basket coatings? Zinc is a sacrificial coating and it appears to have been sacrificed. I hate to replace things, but sometimes it is the more economical thing to do. Just make sure to get the remaining steel Wald to the recyclers.

Laing

[Garth]

After either cleaning or a replacement, there's always that plasti dip stuff. I've read of someone doing it before after cleaning a rust Wald with Dawn and steel wool. It not only seals the steel, it would provide some grip and it wouldn't make any noise or grind away at a rack if it's sitting on one. The liquid or the spray would work.

[Jon Dukeman]

I think you have gotten your money's worth on this one. 

Jon

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[lconley]

Now this is a solution! I would go ahead and get a new Wald and plasti-dip it, as Jon said, you have gotten your money out of this one.

Bonus is that plasti-dip is available in colors! You can dip your brake levers to match your basket and......

Laing

[J J]

Thanks, all. I'm learning a lot — I had no idea about sacrificial zinc coatings or the difference between plating and galvanizing. I appreciate the explanation, Wesley and Aaron.

Aaron, about fenders, I should have said I was installing a new set — I've always had fenders on my Hunq. I got wider tires and needed bigger fenders to accommodate them. The old fenders were rubbing. I am on the East Coast, so we do have a lot of wet weather. But still, I really don't get why this one rusted so much. 

Anyway, yes, I've more than gotten my money's worth, Jon. I will recycle Laing! I'm not concerned about the money to replace it; I just want to avert it happening again. The pitting on the rack from the rust is annoying. I'll either clean the old basket or get a new one and do Plasti Dip. Thanks for the suggestion, Garth. I checked it out and yes, the colors! I had no idea abut the variety.

Thanks again everyone! 

[David Person]

FWIW, I've alway used 2" - 3" lengths of clear vinyl tubing, sliced lengthwise and slipped over the rack tubing as a buffer between the basket and rack.  Cuts down on any rattling too.

[J J]

Great idea. Thank you. Mind my asking what sort of vinyl tubing that is, and where one would get it?

I have already ordered a couple of cans of clear Plasti Dip to use on a new Wald basket.

[amill...@gmail.com]

A quick search shows lots of stainless steel baskets, often used in commercial kitchen settings, available for purchase but probably not MUSA. 

Best,

Aaron in El Paso 

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Now this is a solution! I would go ahead and get a new Wald and plasti-dip it, as Jon said, you have gotten your money out of this one.

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[greenteadrinkers]

Speaking of baskets, has anyone used the racer model? thoughts? Thinking of getting one for my SimpleOne.

Thanks,

Scott