ISO Homer Hilsen size 46

[Rachel Fritz]

The Homer Hilsen looks like the perfect bike for me, but they no longer make it small enough! Help! Anyone have a size 46 they’re looking To Sell? I’m in the Seattle area. Let me know!

Rachel

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Hi Rachel,

Take a look at Laing Conley's post (lconley) from not too long ago for a 47cm Roadini.  That wasn't what you were looking for, but it sounded like she might have other bikes around that size that might be looking for homes.

(I have a 47cm Saluki, which was the smallest Rivendell made the Homer Hilsen and Saluki. I'm 5'2" with pretty "normal" proportions of legs to torso; it's a road bike set-up, with Soma Highway One bars maybe a centimeter above the saddle level, and, frankly, it's just a *smidge* too long, even with a 6cm Nitto stem, but not so bad that I've taken the step of getting the 5cm stem).  The effective top tube is 52cm.  YMMV.)

Good luck,

Liz

Washington, DC

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Rachel,

Did you call Riv? Sometimes they find frames in their storage. 

Good luck! I love my [Toyo-made] AHH.

shoji

Arlington MA

[Rachel Fritz]

Thanks for sharing that thread, Liz. That bike would be too big for me too! I searched lconley and didn’t find anything about other bikes dams. 

I did call Riv, and basically my only option is a custom. Darn! You’re lucky you got one of those, Shoji!

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[lconley]

My 47 Roadini is still for sale.

Laing

[Sean Steinle]

The blog EndlessVeloLove had a 47cm Saluki they sold like two years ago: http://endlessvelolove.blogspot.com/2017/07/blast-from-past-former-rivendell-returns.html 

They also post here sometimes as G.E. It might be worth shooting them a message, if they still have the buyer's info, maybe they could contact them to let them know if they're ever interesting in selling, that they know someone who's looking? Maybe that's too weird? I don't know, two years is a long time in the bike world, and I've found that wanting to sell something doesn't always translate into actually listing it. People let stuff linger in the garages/basemenst for months and years before finally selling it. 

[G.E.]

G.E. here! :-)  The Saluki sold really quickly, and I'm not sure if I still have the contact info. His name was Eric, I remember that much, and he seemed really happy with the bike (he did send a follow up note, as I recall, just to let me know that he was enjoying it), so I'm not sure that he would be willing to sell it.... but, I suppose one never knows.

Good luck with your hunt. The smaller Riv's can be tough to find secondhand, but they do pop up now and again if you keep your eyes open. The Saluki was a lovely bike, but it was too much of a duplicate for my bike fold, which is why I ended up selling it.

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Hi again, Rachel,

If you think that the 47 Saluki would be too big for you (and assuming that you are interested only in a road-bike set-up), then I don't think there's anything that Rivendell makes that would work. As far as I'm aware, the smallest effective-top-tube they've ever made in any stock bike is 52cm...  :-(  

I'd go with one of the 43cm All City's (Space Horse, specifically...), or one of the smaller Surly's.  (I just hopped on a 42cm Pack Rat the other day and, despite the for-me-rather-aggressive geometry, it felt pretty good!)

Good luck,

-- Liz

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 1:12:49 PM UTC-4, Rachel Fritz wrote:

Thanks for sharing that thread, Liz. That bike would be too big for me too! I searched lconley and didn’t find anything about other bikes dams. 

I did call Riv, and basically my only option is a custom. Darn! You’re lucky you got one of those, Shoji!

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On Jun 25, 2019, at 7:21 AM, Shoji Takahashi <shoji.t...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Rachel,

Did you call Riv? Sometimes they find frames in their storage. 

Good luck! I love my [Toyo-made] AHH.

shoji

Arlington MA

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 6:58:37 AM UTC-4, Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:

Hi Rachel,

Take a look at Laing Conley's post (lconley) from not too long ago for a 47cm Roadini.  That wasn't what you were looking for, but it sounded like she might have other bikes around that size that might be looking for homes.

(I have a 47cm Saluki, which was the smallest Rivendell made the Homer Hilsen and Saluki. I'm 5'2" with pretty "normal" proportions of legs to torso; it's a road bike set-up, with Soma Highway One bars maybe a centimeter above the saddle level, and, frankly, it's just a *smidge* too long, even with a 6cm Nitto stem, but not so bad that I've taken the step of getting the 5cm stem).  The effective top tube is 52cm.  YMMV.)

Good luck,

Liz

Washington, DC

On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 4:35:47 PM UTC-4, Rachel Fritz wrote:

The Homer Hilsen looks like the perfect bike for me, but they no longer make it small enough! Help! Anyone have a size 46 they’re looking To Sell? I’m in the Seattle area. Let me know!

Rachel

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[Rachel Fritz]

You guys are helpful! Thanks for the intel, Sean!

Laing, not sure if the Roadini is quite what I’m looking for, but send me the details and I’ll take a look. Thanks!

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[lconley]

The effective top tube length of the 47cm Roadini is 51.5 - shorter than the 52 I see quoted for the Homer. Wheel size is 650B important for a small bike to use smaller wheels. Headtube is 71 deg. Seat tube is 72.5 deg. Chainstay is 45 deg. wheelbase is 1009.2mm. This bike was not mine - I am a 6', 290lb male. This was built for a 5'2" woman. My fiancee is currently on a 60 cm Betty Foy, I am building a Medium Mountain Mixte for her also.

My computer is not letting me upload pictures at the moment so I will try PM.

Laing

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 4:26:04 PM UTC-4, Rachel Fritz wrote:

You guys are helpful! Thanks for the intel, Sean!

Laing, not sure if the Roadini is quite what I’m looking for, but send me the details and I’ll take a look. Thanks!

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On Jun 25, 2019, at 10:57 AM, Sean Steinle <seans...@gmail.com> wrote:

The blog EndlessVeloLove had a 47cm Saluki they sold like two years ago: http://endlessvelolove.blogspot.com/2017/07/blast-from-past-former-rivendell-returns.html 

They also post here sometimes as G.E. It might be worth shooting them a message, if they still have the buyer's info, maybe they could contact them to let them know if they're ever interesting in selling, that they know someone who's looking? Maybe that's too weird? I don't know, two years is a long time in the bike world, and I've found that wanting to sell something doesn't always translate into actually listing it. People let stuff linger in the garages/basemenst for months and years before finally selling it. 

On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 3:35:47 PM UTC-5, Rachel Fritz wrote:

The Homer Hilsen looks like the perfect bike for me, but they no longer make it small enough! Help! Anyone have a size 46 they’re looking To Sell? I’m in the Seattle area. Let me know!

Rachel

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[dougP]

Rachel:

I just measured my wife's 47 cm Atlantis.  The TT actual lengh is over 51 cm, so it's likely the effective length is 52.  She is 5'2" & has no room to spare in stand over.

A couple of years ago, Rivendell found 2) 44cm Atlantis' they had forgotten about.  Give them a call on that if it may work for you.  The market for the smaller sizes was too small for them to carry them much.  BTW, the smaller Atlantis have 26" wheels which looks proportional & doesn't constrict the geometry.  If you find something close with 650B wheels, that may work too but you'd need to check carefully. 

dougP

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 1:26:04 PM UTC-7, Rachel Fritz wrote:

You guys are helpful! Thanks for the intel, Sean!

Laing, not sure if the Roadini is quite what I’m looking for, but send me the details and I’ll take a look. Thanks!

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On Jun 25, 2019, at 10:57 AM, Sean Steinle <seans...@gmail.com> wrote:

The blog EndlessVeloLove had a 47cm Saluki they sold like two years ago: http://endlessvelolove.blogspot.com/2017/07/blast-from-past-former-rivendell-returns.html 

They also post here sometimes as G.E. It might be worth shooting them a message, if they still have the buyer's info, maybe they could contact them to let them know if they're ever interesting in selling, that they know someone who's looking? Maybe that's too weird? I don't know, two years is a long time in the bike world, and I've found that wanting to sell something doesn't always translate into actually listing it. People let stuff linger in the garages/basemenst for months and years before finally selling it. 

On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 3:35:47 PM UTC-5, Rachel Fritz wrote:

The Homer Hilsen looks like the perfect bike for me, but they no longer make it small enough! Help! Anyone have a size 46 they’re looking To Sell? I’m in the Seattle area. Let me know!

Rachel

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[lconley]

finally figured this out.

Laing

[Jonathan D.]

https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries%5B%5D=5a1e69902a0c030014708ca6&geometries%5B%5D=5bb29e327581960016665a2f&builds%5B%5D=&builds%5B%5D=

Not sure if that worked but the stack is pretty much the same and both specs are in this sites catalogue. This is a great site. Get the Roadini. Great bike, price and there are not many deals like this for small bikes.

[Rachel Fritz]

Hey GE! Thanks for the update. I will keep looking.

And hi again to you, Liz! Well, they did make the Hilsen in a 46, but stopped. Guess there aren’t enough of us shorties out there to keep them going. I do have a Cheviot that I’m going to put some drop bars on even though it’s made to be more upright.  I may end up being to stretched out but well see. And thanks for the recommendations. My other bike is a Surly LHT, I think a 46 and it does fit well. I’ll check out the All City bikes too. 

Laing, I got your PM and thanks for the details. Thats a cute bike! But I do feel it will be a tad big and I’m really going for perfect fit if the Cheviot doesn’t work out. 

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[Shoji Takahashi]

Another suggestion for shorter riders: check out the high-quality "children's" bike companies. Generally speaking, the geometry is designed for and parts picked for shorter riders rather than some bike companies which try to shrink existing bikes for shorter riders. (This is also what GP argues in his design for out of the "normal size" bikes including changing wheel sizes different reach, chain stay length, etc.)

IIRC, Islabikes no longer distributes in USA, but their Luath was highly regarded. Maybe there are used ones out there? 

Here's a small list from Rascal Rides:

https://rascalrides.com/best-24-road-bikes-kids/

Good luck!

shoji

On Wednesday, June 26, 2019 at 1:00:08 AM UTC-4, Rachel Fritz wrote:

Hey GE! Thanks for the update. I will keep looking.

And hi again to you, Liz! Well, they did make the Hilsen in a 46, but stopped. Guess there aren’t enough of us shorties out there to keep them going. I do have a Cheviot that I’m going to put some drop bars on even though it’s made to be more upright.  I may end up being to stretched out but well see. And thanks for the recommendations. My other bike is a Surly LHT, I think a 46 and it does fit well. I’ll check out the All City bikes too. 

Laing, I got your PM and thanks for the details. Thats a cute bike! But I do feel it will be a tad big and I’m really going for perfect fit if the Cheviot doesn’t work out. 

On Jun 25, 2019, at 12:01 PM, G.E. <endless...@gmail.com> wrote:

G.E. here! :-)  The Saluki sold really quickly, and I'm not sure if I still have the contact info. His name was Eric, I remember that much, and he seemed really happy with the bike (he did send a follow up note, as I recall, just to let me know that he was enjoying it), so I'm not sure that he would be willing to sell it.... but, I suppose one never knows.

Good luck with your hunt. The smaller Riv's can be tough to find secondhand, but they do pop up now and again if you keep your eyes open. The Saluki was a lovely bike, but it was too much of a duplicate for my bike fold, which is why I ended up selling it.

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 11:57:29 AM UTC-6, Sean Steinle wrote:

The blog EndlessVeloLove had a 47cm Saluki they sold like two years ago: http://endlessvelolove.blogspot.com/2017/07/blast-from-past-former-rivendell-returns.html 

They also post here sometimes as G.E. It might be worth shooting them a message, if they still have the buyer's info, maybe they could contact them to let them know if they're ever interesting in selling, that they know someone who's looking? Maybe that's too weird? I don't know, two years is a long time in the bike world, and I've found that wanting to sell something doesn't always translate into actually listing it. People let stuff linger in the garages/basemenst for months and years before finally selling it. 

On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 3:35:47 PM UTC-5, Rachel Fritz wrote:

The Homer Hilsen looks like the perfect bike for me, but they no longer make it small enough! Help! Anyone have a size 46 they’re looking To Sell? I’m in the Seattle area. Let me know! 

Rachel

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[Jonathan D.]

Black Mountain Cycles has a 44 Road Plus frame that would be great.

[Johnny Alien]

The BMC Road+ has some interesting geometry.  If you look at the effective reach and standover you will see that most riders ride a size WAY smaller.  Where I would normally ride a 53 or 54 the suggested size from Mike at BMC for me would be the 47 frame.  So that 44 probably rides much closer to a 50 or 51 frame.

[Rachel Fritz]

The BMC Road + looks great! Thanks for that. 

That comparison site you sent is really helpful, Jonathan. Really cool site. I wish it showed the Hilsen in a 46. I also compared my cheviot to the roadini and the cheviot is way longer, so maybe a roadini is something to consider. 

Sean, the cheviot is a 50 and does ride beautifully. We moved from seattle to a hilly island off of seattle, so I really want more of a country road bike. I’m having drop bars put on the cheviot and if that doesn’t work out, I’ll let you know!

I hadn’t thought about looking at kids bikes! I’ll look into that. Thanks, Shoji!

Rachel 

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On Jun 26, 2019, at 8:00 AM, Johnny Alien <johnny....@gmail.com> wrote:

The BMC Road+ has some interesting geometry.  If you look at the effective reach and standover you will see that most riders ride a size WAY smaller.  Where I would normally ride a 53 or 54 the suggested size from Mike at BMC for me would be the 47 frame.  So that 44 probably rides much closer to a 50 or 51 frame.

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[Jonathan D.]

Just beware the Cheviot is for upright bars and therefore has a longer top tube. For drops you may want a shorter top tube. Let us know what you get. I have a small Soma Grand Rand frame if that looks interesting.

[Rachel Fritz]

Yeah, I decided to scrap the drop bar idea for the cheviot. I’m sure it would have been too big. I’ll keep it as is and see if I use it. Actually, I’ve decided to splurge and am getting a custom Speedvagen!

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[Joe Bernard]

Plot twist!

[Drw]

Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but what about a 48cm Sam Hillborne? My partner is like 5’0” and her’s fits great.

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Hi Drw,

Of course everyone's experience varies, but my 48cm Sam Hillborne has an ETT of 54cm, and even with swept-back handlebars the bike just felt too big to me (I'm 5'2").  We converted it to drops for my 5'8" boyfriend and he absolutely loves the bike -- rides it for everything.

It's great that it works for your 5'0" partner, though!

Liz 

Washington, DC

[Rachel Fritz]

Well, the 48 cm Sam Hillborne might have been a good fit! I’m also 5’0”. But I’m going down to Portland this week to get fitted for my Speedvagen. :) Thanks anyways!

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