Locking Up your Riv

[Vincent Tamer]

So I notice the Abus Bordo came back in stock on the Riv site. Does anyone have any experience with this lock?

I've been considering it because I wanted a quick lock up lock for my Clem Smith opposed to my ulock and cable.  I also wanted to support Riv. :)

What do you all use in the various conditions that you lock your bike up in?

[Dorothy C]

I use the Bordo as a front wheel lock with an additional thicker lock through the back wheel; frame and what I am locking to.
The Bordo locks can also be daisychained together if you need more length.

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Vincent,

I have Abus Bordo and Kryptonite U (short and regular-- I can't remember the particular model names).

I prefer the Kryptonite U locks, as they are much easier and faster to lock up a bicycle. I was attracted to the folding mechanism as a compact, easy way to lock up. Bordo is compact, but fiddly. The rivet-construction means that it is not quite as easy to manipulate around bike racks/poles as I imagined. Threading Bordo through wheel+frame+rack can be frustrating, when I know a regular U lock would be straightforward/easy. 

I lock up in Boston area. I have pitlocks on my seat post and wheels. I don't worry about my wheels getting stolen and sometimes lock only the frame to bike rack. 

(My criticism of Bordo is on usability. For my purposes, I think it's approx equivalent protection as U lock.)

Good luck!

shoji

Arlington MA

[Robert Gardner]

This is a good thread --

On my Quickbeam, I use a locker on my front and rear wheel, which gives me a bit more piece of mind -- and is pretty bomb proof. Additionally, I use a Kryptonite U-lock between rear wheel and frame. I live in DC and this has been a pretty good solution. 

For my Roadini, I rarely leave that outside unwatched, as it's my "road" bike (whatever that means) -- I uses an Abus Bordo LIte 60cm -- it is light and fits well for easy locking (if I run in to get coffee or whatever). 

- rg in DC

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[Joe Bernard]

I agree with Shoji, my Bordo was kinda fiddly and I ended up selling cheap to someone. I prefer my Ottolock for a quick, lightweight "run into the store" lock.

[Brian Oldham]

My best lock , above Abus even is a German lock called Tex-Lock. Made of steel and carbon fibers. Heavy but really good

Brian

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I agree with Shoji, my Bordo was kinda fiddly and I ended up selling cheap to someone. I prefer my Ottolock for a quick, lightweight "run into the store" lock.

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[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 9:04:50 AM UTC-7, Vincent Tamer wrote:

What do you all use in the various conditions that you lock your bike up in?

I have a handful of nice locks as I've been trying them out, but I eventually settled on the Abus Brodo, although mine is the burly Granit X-plus variant. I like it because it is secure (lock mechanism was well-reviewed by TheLockPickingLawyer), it is compact when not in use, and it works well enough for locking my Wilbury up at local grocery stores, Target, and such. I like it so much that I got my son an identical one for his new-to-him Atlantis, that he rides to and locks up at school. Note that I've equipped the bikes that get locked up with Pitlocks, security bolts, and strategically placed ball bearings locked in with beeswax, so the locks are only used to secure the frame to whatever immovable object.

[Drw]

Not exactly what you’re asking but I always recommend Hexlox for any sort of wheel/component security. They fit in bolts magnetically and you can get them all keyed the same to interchange across Different parts or Bikes. Sort of like ball bearings but much easier to put in and get out.

I use a kryptonite with a double shackle lock for the frame.

[Arthur Mayfield]

I’ve tried so many different “light” locks and component securing devices (from cheap to really expensive) that I can hardly remember them all. What I found out is that I’m unable to relax whenever I use one of them because of their inherent lower security. My current choices: Hexlox in all of the main component Allen bolts; Hexlox locking skewers; two U locks (small one through the rear triangle and rear wheel, and a larger one through the small U and around whatever I’m locking it to). In the end, the small amount of weight is worth it for the additional security and peace of mind. I’m still careful about stops and store my bikes indoors at home and whenever I can on rides, but I’ve stopped obsessing about every new ultralight lock that hits the market. I use two locks because one larger U lock always seems to be a pain to fit around my bike rear triangle and what it’s being locked to. The really small ones can also be quite difficult to cut or break due to limited access, so a cut-and-ride-away or opportunity-type thief is either stymied or slowed long enough to encourage them to move on to another target.

[masmojo]

I have used a variety of locks over the years, but now pretty much use the Bordo almost exclusively for locking a bike of any value for any time at all. As mentioned it is reasonably difficult to defeat, it folds up compactly, has a carrier that can be velcro to your bike and isn't too awfully heavy.
When I was commuting to work I would leave a burly U lock locked to the stand so I didn't have to tote it back and forth.
For quick locking lately I've been using a super mini U-lock by Odessey. It's only big enough to get around a frame tube a stair rail or some other 2" pipe, but it's made out of aluminum and it's super light. Likely quickly defeated with bolt cutters, but for a quick stop it'll deter all but the more sophisticated crooks.
Typically my Rivendells and other super nice bikes are not left in "risky" locations.

[ANDREW ERMAN]

I use an Abus Bordo Granite (heavy but very well rated) to go thru the frame and rear wheel and whatever I am locking the bike to, and a Tigr Lock to lock the front wheel to my frame.  Both locks mount to my frame.  I also tend toward being over insured. 

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[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

I’ve been using a combination of the TiGr mini+ and Otto lock for the past couple of years. Both are excellent for their intended purposes and the tigrs are particularly elegant as far as lock choices are concerned (neither is “high” security).

And not to hijack but I have (2) tigr minis and *I think* (2) tigr mini plus’ leftover from the shop. $95 & $105 shipped, respectively. PM me if u have interest. 😊


Alex in Rochester, NY

[Robert Tilley]

I typically don't lock up my Riv but I also don't ride it much due to my riding being mostly utilitarian these days. My Bromptons get the most use and those go into businesses with me. When I need to lock up my E-bike I use a Kryptonite NYC chain for the frame and a cable lock for the wheels. This bike also has an Abus wheel lock. I used to carry the chain for locking up at work but got tired of the weight after a while.

I did just get in on the new steel Tigr lock Kickstarter so I'll be testing those out soon hopefully. I have also used the Kryptonite Evolution long shackle lock, Abus Bordo and Master Cuff locks with success. I've never had a bike stolen while I had it locked up.

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San Diego, CA

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[Marc Irwin]

I use the Abus Bordo (the original 4lb ) for either Riv that I have.  I also use the VO anti theft skewers on the wheels, they've saved at least one wheel from being stolen.

Marc

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 12:04:50 PM UTC-4, Vincent Tamer wrote:

[Jason Fuller]

I have an Abus Bordo that lives with my Clem (water bottle attachment) that I use to lock the frame & rear wheel to bike racks. If i have to leave it in a risky spot for any length of time I'll bring a Kryponite U-lock (the small orange model) and lock the frame with it as well - I figure two locks is too much bother for most thieves, although you can never stop a determined & equipped thief. 

[Steven Seelig]

A second for the Granit X Plus.  I live in Washington DC and use it along with Pitlocks on my Ram and with the Abus locking skewers on my Sam.  It is heavy-ish, but I'm not racing.

I also have an Otto Lock for my racy bike when I lock it up for a few minutes.  I could see using the 3 foot Otto on a front wheel and the Granit X on the rear and dispense with the axle locks.

[Jay Lonner]

I have one of these. The Achilles’ heel is the very narrow portion of the key at its end. There’s not a lot of material there, and I managed to torque it right off, leaving the tip in the lock. A locksmith was able to retrieve this fragment, but I haven’t used this lock since, reverting to the Abus cable lock that Riv is carrying again. 

While I live in a high bike theft area (per my LBS) I suspect that the Riv-ness of my Hunq (diagatube, fenders, racks/basket, saddlebag, “obsolete” mechanical systems like rim brakes and friction shifting) help it hide in plain sight - by contemporary standards there’s nothing to attract the attention of the sort of professional bike thieves that can defeat pretty much any lock. 

Jay Lonner

Bellingham, WA

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[John Phillips]

  +1 for Hexlox to secure components and racks.

   Two Abus Granite-X 540 D-locks to secure my bike in town. I have a Nitto 32R or R14 rack on the back and secure my Abus D-locks with a Voile strap to the rack whenever I go out. Because even if I'm just out for a ride & fresh air, I'm always distracted by a farmers' market or a bakery or something.

John

[Adam Leibow]

I have several locks including the Bordo I bought from Riv. The Bordo is great since it's more substantial than any cable lock (in that bolt cutters won't be enough to get through it). I use it as the sole lock only in "light" lockup situations (areas I feel safe in and for short periods of time). I live in SF, so usually my lockup situations are "heavy" such that the Bordo is supplementary to at least one U-lock and I have to strongly consider whether I can lock up the bike at all. In summary, it's a great lock whether it's the only lock needed or one of several needed. 

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 9:04:50 AM UTC-7, Vincent Tamer wrote:

[Matthew Williams]

I’m considering two options for a lock-and-chain setup, to be used for locking my bike when I'm at the hardware store, getting groceries, and such.

Option 1: Pewag 7mm Square Security Chain: 6’ length: 4.5 lbs

Option 2:  Pewag 10mm Square Security Chain: 6’ length: 9.9 lbs

The trade-off is weight vs. security. I recently tried a 12mm chain but it was nearly 15 pounds! Two Kryptonite U-locks weigh 8.9 lbs.

Thoughts, suggestions, experience? How have other folks have resolved the security-to-weight equation?

[Patrick Moore]

I think that if I had to carry around 10 lb to keep my bike safe, I'd invest in a nice-riding beater to use for such errands.

I've been lucky that I've always been able to store my bikes in my office; in fact, one employer gave me a second, empty office to use as a storage + changing room, and another had shelves and clothes rack installed for me. But I've commuted on many beaters, tho I did use a custom Riv for the last few years, and a custom is still my errand -- groceries and such -- ride. Presently, I wheel my bike into the stores, and either wheel it up and down the aisles as my shopping cart, or in smaller stores (True Value), park it inside near the door. I use my car for trips to box stores.

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[Patrick Moore]

I forgot to add: If this Pewag chain is anything like the "towing chain" I bought at True Value some years ago, that stuff is hard to cut. The clerk used an angle grinder but had to finish with a hacksaw, and the one cut must have taken him 15 minutes. I added one of those shielded Abus padlocks and sheathed it in a section of old 2" innertube.

My 2' length of towing chain + Abus padlock weighs, IIRC, about 6 lb.

(I just looked for it in my garage to weigh this combination, but it turns out it's still attached to the bike rack at the Corrales, NM Sprout's some 5-6 miles away where it sits for literally years on end. Must retrieve it.) 

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[Robert Tilley]

I don't use my Riv's for errands but lock up my fairly expensive e-cargo bike regularly. I was using a Kryptonite NYC chain which is very heavy but have recently started using a combination of an Abus Bordo lock along with one of the new Tigr steel locks. This is much lighter than what I was previously carrying and so far my bike hasn't been stolen. 

Both locks have bottle cage mounts but using those would prevent mounting a bottle cage.

Robert Tilley

San Diego, CA

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