Bosco vs. Boscomoose

[Richard Rose]

Or, when to leave well enough alone? I recently traded my 650 wide Tosco for a 550 wide Bosco. This worked to let me achieve a higher bar without exposing more stem & even gave me the flexibility of lowering the stem a smidge. The narrower width gave me a more natural feeling wrist angle and overall felt much more comfortable without loosing any control. I liked it so much that it really made me want to try a Boscomoose. 

I am really interested in any others thoughts who may have compared the Bosco & Boscomoose. My observations; even though the "extension" of the 'moose is 120mm vs. my Faceplater's 135mm, there is in reality only 5mm difference. This I assume is due to the upward angle of the Faceplater extension - effectively shortening it. In any event the reach to the bar ends is quite different. With the exact 120mm of exposed stem the bar ends of the 'moose are nearly 2" higher than the Bosco! This I presume is mostly due to the more horizontal & fixed angle nature of the grip areas - they do not tilt down very much.

I will probably play with these a bit more but unless I stumble on to some adjustment magic I will be returning to the Bosco / Faceplater combo. I had really high hopes for the Boscomoose because it just looks so cool.

[Joe Bernard]

I also learned this with the exact bars you're comparing. Bars that can't be adjusted for tilt are always a crapshoot and you're probably going to lose that bet unless the front end is really slack like a Clem or Gus/Susie. My custom IS that slack and they worked ok for me, but I still preferred the regular Bosco (which I then sold for a Billie, but that's another thread). 

Joe Bernard 

[J J]

I have a Boscomoose on my Hunq. I guess I'm fortunate that the fixed tilt angle works very well for me. I had run the regular Bosco with a stem, and it felt less secure than the triangulated and reinforced Boscomoose, no matter how tightly I clamped the stem to the bar (and you can only go so tight anyway). 

So tilt adjustments aside, the Boscomoose feels more stable, stiffer, less flexy, and certainly has less unwanted movement than the separate bar and stem combo, especially on bumpy terrain and any riding that requires weight on the bar. This is probably a much more significant consideration for those of us who weigh more than 210 than it is for folks lighter than that.

[Richard Rose]

My judgement is likely a bit premature. I failed to mention that my Bosco was 550 wide, the ‘moose 580. I did notice the solid feel straight away although the FacePlater is very secure. Nice to have options.:)

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On Sep 9, 2022, at 6:37 PM, J J <junes...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have a Boscomoose on my Hunq. I guess I'm fortunate that the fixed tilt angle works very well for me. I had run the regular Bosco with a stem, and it felt less secure than the triangulated and reinforced Boscomoose, no matter how tightly I clamped the stem to the bar (and you can only go so tight anyway). 

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[Joe Bernard]

Definitely ride it for a while before deciding. I just tilted my Billies up this week, it's probably the same angle my Boscomoose was now! 😂

[Mackenzy Albright]

I love my Boscomoose on my clementine. I think the 3mm wider bar makes the 5mm shorter feel natural enough as long as you can get the bar low enough and you have enough top tube. On the clementine the top tube is long and feels good. Tried them on a Romanceur and the shorter TT wanted a lower bar with longer stem so set up loscos. I also enjoy the extra security for off road riding. If you can find a set and have the spare cash, give em a whirrl. 

[Ryan M.]

I had the boscomoose on an old steel framed bike...can't even remember what the make of the frame was off hand...maybe an old Olmo. Anyway, the bars worked well for me on that bike but I never intended that bike to be a long distance rider. Basically, I used it on a greenway trail and around town and the uprightness of the bars really helped with that kind of riding. it got my head up and I could see over parked cars and other obstacles pretty well. It's a quite large/heavy bar and pretty wide/upright, so if you are into that kind of body positioning on the bike, it may work well for you. The lack of adjusting is the downside, of course. 

I've also used the chocomoose bars and the bullmoose bars, both of which I still have. Actually, the bullmoose is one of my favorite bars for my Frank Jones single speed and the choco is sitting in a closet waiting to be used on something again. I kind of dig the whole "moose" fixed stem thingy going on. 

The awesome thing about bar swapping is that you eventually settle on the ones you really like and you can sell off the ones you aren't getting along with fairly easily (if you like to constantly tinker with your bikes, which I do.) buy used and sell and you really don't lose too much, if any, money on the deal. 

[Richard Rose]

I actually have the Boscomoose. Just got it after first swapping out the 650 wide Tosco for a 550 wide Bosco. I just finished a 21 mile mixed surface ride with the 580 wide Boscomoose on my Clem. I have plenty of length & a lot of flexibility with height. The 30mm / 3cm of extra width is noticeable, neither good or bad. Reach is very similar to the Bosco / FacePlater combo. The only issue I might have is the fixed, overly horizontal grip area. Seems most folks & Rivendell recommends at least a 7 degree angle down of the tips. Cannot get that angle with the ‘moose.

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On Sep 10, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Mackenzy Albright <mackenzy...@gmail.com> wrote:

I love my Boscomoose on my clementine. I think the 3mm wider bar makes the 5mm shorter feel natural enough as long as you can get the bar low enough and you have enough top tube. On the clementine the top tube is long and feels good. Tried them on a Romanceur and the shorter TT wanted a lower bar with longer stem so set up loscos. I also enjoy the extra security for off road riding. If you can find a set and have the spare cash, give em a whirrl. 

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[greenteadrinkers]

I have both Bosco and BoscoMoose bars on my Rivs, for me, the fixed angle on the moose becomes transparent after a few rides. Something to consider, Blue Lug sells a threadless moose stem that exactly fits the 100mm sleeve on a Bosco. You would need a threadless quill adapter, it's a nice workaround to get the extra strength a moose design while letting you adjust the angle of the bar. Currently on my TangleFoot Moonshiner, I have the V5 with a Choco bar, looks incredible and feels great in the rough stuff.

https://global.bluelug.com/nitto-v-5-stem-black.html

Scott

[Richard Rose]

Thank You for that input. I rode 22 miles yesterday with the Boscomoose. The angle of the grip area just felt wrong. I tried it at different heights to no avail. Swapped in the Bosco 550 with 130 FacePlater. Fussed with the height & angle a bit & just finished a beautiful 30 mile ride. Not only does the geometry work better for me but it’s plenty stiff. The quill is so long on the FacePlater that I have lots of room to raise or lower as needed. Not to mention the angle adjustment. So for me, the ‘moose is a failed experiment. I could try to get used to it but now I don’t see the point. Other advantages of the Bosco are that the straight part of the bar is more accessible & my stem bag works much better. I will be posting it for sale in the very near future.

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On Sep 11, 2022, at 11:55 AM, greenteadrinkers <greentea...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have both Bosco and BoscoMoose bars on my Rivs, for me, the fixed angle on the moose becomes transparent after a few rides. Something to consider, Blue Lug sells a threadless moose stem that exactly fits the 100mm sleeve on a Bosco. You would need a threadless quill adapter, it's a nice workaround to get the extra strength a moose design while letting you adjust the angle of the bar. Currently on my TangleFoot Moonshiner, I have the V5 with a Choco bar, looks incredible and feels great in the rough stuff.

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[Jacob Kersey]

Behold the wrong-angle boscomoose(s). One slightly wrong-er (or righter?) angled than the other. Not sure about the exact measurement of the downsweep angle on these, but definitely noticeable compared to a flat/standard set I used to ride. They're pretty rare, but they're out there.

If the angle is wrong, then I don't wanna be right,

-Jacob in Oakland

On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 9:38:30 AM UTC-7 Richard Rose wrote:

I actually have the Boscomoose. Just got it after first swapping out the 650 wide Tosco for a 550 wide Bosco. I just finished a 21 mile mixed surface ride with the 580 wide Boscomoose on my Clem. I have plenty of length & a lot of flexibility with height. The 30mm / 3cm of extra width is noticeable, neither good or bad. Reach is very similar to the Bosco / FacePlater combo. The only issue I might have is the fixed, overly horizontal grip area. Seems most folks & Rivendell recommends at least a 7 degree angle down of the tips. Cannot get that angle with the ‘moose.

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On Sep 10, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Mackenzy Albright wrote:

I love my Boscomoose on my clementine. I think the 3mm wider bar makes the 5mm shorter feel natural enough as long as you can get the bar low enough and you have enough top tube. On the clementine the top tube is long and feels good. Tried them on a Romanceur and the shorter TT wanted a lower bar with longer stem so set up loscos. I also enjoy the extra security for off road riding. If you can find a set and have the spare cash, give em a whirrl. 

On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 4:01:11 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

Definitely ride it for a while before deciding. I just tilted my Billies up this week, it's probably the same angle my Boscomoose was now! 😂

On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 3:49:22 PM UTC-7 wrote:

My judgement is likely a bit premature. I failed to mention that my Bosco was 550 wide, the ‘moose 580. I did notice the solid feel straight away although the FacePlater is very secure. Nice to have options.:)

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I have a Boscomoose on my Hunq. I guess I'm fortunate that the fixed tilt angle works very well for me. I had run the regular Bosco with a stem, and it felt less secure than the triangulated and reinforced Boscomoose, no matter how tightly I clamped the stem to the bar (and you can only go so tight anyway). 

So tilt adjustments aside, the Boscomoose feels more stable, stiffer, less flexy, and certainly has less unwanted movement than the separate bar and stem combo, especially on bumpy terrain and any riding that requires weight on the bar. This is probably a much more significant consideration for those of us who weigh more than 210 than it is for folks lighter than that.

On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 5:27:40 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

I also learned this with the exact bars you're comparing. Bars that can't be adjusted for tilt are always a crapshoot and you're probably going to lose that bet unless the front end is really slack like a Clem or Gus/Susie. My custom IS that slack and they worked ok for me, but I still preferred the regular Bosco (which I then sold for a Billie, but that's another thread). 

Joe Bernard 

On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 2:11:45 PM UTC-7 

Or, when to leave well enough alone? I recently traded my 650 wide Tosco for a 550 wide Bosco. This worked to let me achieve a higher bar without exposing more stem & even gave me the flexibility of lowering the stem a smidge. The narrower width gave me a more natural feeling wrist angle and overall felt much more comfortable without loosing any control. I liked it so much that it really made me want to try a Boscomoose. 

[Richard Rose]

Ah-Ha!

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On Sep 14, 2022, at 4:38 PM, Jacob Kersey <jake....@gmail.com> wrote:

Behold the wrong-angle boscomoose(s). One slightly wrong-er (or righter?) angled than the other. Not sure about the exact measurement of the downsweep angle on these, but definitely noticeable compared to a flat/standard set I used to ride. They're pretty rare, but they're out there.

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[Jim Bronson]

Tosco, Bosco, Fosco, Roscoe, Moscow, Tabasco...?

I like cheez.

Jim

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