FS: 2001 Riv Custom $2100

[maxcr]

Hi All,

Per my other thread, I've decided to downsize from 4 to 2 (or maybe 1) bikes so here it goes. I hope I don't regret letting this one go, but I have to start somewhere and this one isn't getting the miles it deserves.

Price is $2,100 + packing & shipping (or local pickup in MA)

2001 Joe Starck / Joe Bell - Custom Road serial# 01JS114 - I'm the second owner.

This is the first bike that I spec'd from the frame up and worked with James at Analog Cycles to complete the build. Please note that when I bought the frame it had a small bulge in the top tube (see photo), James looked at it and determined that it was safe to ride. It also has a few scratches and a few touch up spots here and there but it's in overall great condition.

It rides great, very responsive and nimble... this bike is very light. I probably put in less than 100 miles since I built it up (I spent 8 months away from Boston in 2020/2021)

I'm 5'11" with a 91 pbh (I have long legs) and my saddle height is 80.5cm

Here are the details:

62cm c-t, 59cm top tube, 130 rear spacing

Frame prep by Analog including frame saver

Wheels came used from James at Analog - I don’t have the details, but I remember him saying something about ceramic? Anyways, the tires are green Jack Brown 33.333 from Riv

Drivetrain: White Industries 180mm cranks, 46/30

Cassette: 11-32 XT M760 cassette

IRD Bottom Bracket

9s FSA "Team Issue" chain

Terry Fly Tri Gel Saddle & Nitto seat post included

Chris King Headset

Nitto Noodle 46 cm bars

Dura Ace Shifters - Bar End - Shimano Dura Ace, 9 Speed

Paul Racer M Centerpull (this is my best braking bike by far)

Brake Levers - Road - TRP - RRL SR, Drilled, Gum Hood

VO Sabot  Pedals included

Bottle Cage (Nitto I think?) included

Packing & Shipping will probably run about $150 and given how backed up the local LBS are, it might take a few weeks, so please keep that in mind.

Please let me know if you have questions.

Max

downsizing and doubting the downsizing

[maxcr]

I got an interesting note from a fellow member: 

"The photo looks like the junction of the head tube and down tube. 

You can check with Rivendell - it looks like the tube was bulged to fit the lug. On a tall frame like that they might have had to get creative with lugs and tubes."

Does anyone know if Riv did something like that back then to fit the lugs with large-ish / weird geometries?

Thanks,

Max

[Bill Lindsay]

Max asked something about bulged tube ends on historical Rivendells.  I'm not sure about the precise question.  What I do know is that Grant told me that they have employed a number of 'baseball bat' frame tubes on various things.  Seat tube that bulge from 28.6 up to 31.8 at the BB is one example.  The reason I brought it up with Grant was when they offered the Frank Jones Senor with a 28.6mm downtube.  That was the only Rivendell I had ever heard of with a non-OS Downtube, and I knew Rivendell has their own lugs cast, so it was kind of shocking to me that Rivendell would go out of their way to offer a bike with a standard diameter downtube, when they'd been defending 31.8 against the planing zealots for years.  Grant explained to me that the lower head lug they were using in the Frank Jones Senor was from a pile of lower headlugs that they would use on SMALL customs.  They would use a baseball bat tube shaped downtube that was 28.6 up at the headlug and 31.8 down at the BB.  

So, there is a history of Rivendell using tubes that are different sizes on either end.  That doesn't guarantee anything about yours.  Take your vernier caliper to the tube in question and check, I guess. 

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

[Dave Small]

Hi Max,

What's the standover height?

Dave

On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 5:57:29 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

[lconley]

That may also explain the fillet brazed bottom bracket on the Frank Jones Sr.

The Hubbuhubbuhs also used tubes that change section from round to oval, as did the Rosco Babys.

Laing

[maxcr]

Thanks for the insight Bill! I don't own a caliper so until I make my way to the LBS, we won't be sure...

Dave, the standover height is approx. 34"

Max

[Bill Lindsay]

Anybody who cares about bikes enough to work on them should have an inexpensive vernier caliper.  They are <$10 at any hardware store.  Anybody who cares enough about working on stuff around the house should have an inexpensive vernier caliper.  Anybody who cares about the objective diameter of cylindrical objects should have one.  My workbench tends towards chaotic, so I bought two of the identical cheapo model.  They both live on the same hook on my toolboard, so if I set one down without putting it away, I still can get the other one to do the measurement I need.  There are only a few tools that are important enough to double up on my toolboard, and that's one of them.  

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

[Michael Morrissey]

Oh yeah! I agree. I bought one of those calipers and it was a game-changer. We should have another thread - show off your tool boxes and mechanic setups.

[rlti...@gmail.com]

I agree. I bought some calipers years ago and I grab them way more often than I expected to. A very useful tool to have.

Robert Tilley

San Diego, CA

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On Aug 18, 2021, at 7:09 AM, Bill Lindsay <tape...@gmail.com> wrote:

Anybody who cares about bikes enough to work on them should have an inexpensive vernier caliper.  They are <$10 at any hardware store.  Anybody who cares enough about working on stuff around the house should have an inexpensive vernier caliper.  Anybody who cares about the objective diameter of cylindrical objects should have one.  My workbench tends towards chaotic, so I bought two of the identical cheapo model.  They both live on the same hook on my toolboard, so if I set one down without putting it away, I still can get the other one to do the measurement I need.  There are only a few tools that are important enough to double up on my toolboard, and that's one of them.  

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[Ray Varella]

I have a similar affinity towards my 6” steel rule. It’s metric on one side and imperial on the other. 

It is my most reached for tool by a long shot. Since I don’t own a vernier caliper I poor boy it by using an adjustable wrench to get the diameter of a tube or rod and then measure the opening with my ruler. 

If I were a machinist I would want something with more critical tolerances but this method has served me well in countless situations.   

I had a talk with my niece a few weeks ago and explained to her the importance of knowing how to repair things and that for most of my life I have purchased a tool for a job that needed it and over the decades have acquired tools to keep vehicles and appliances on the road and perform home repairs. 

Living a short bike ride from a good hardware store is just as important as being able to repair things. 

Question for Bill and others, what are you measuring that makes your calipers indispensable….and why the cheap tool?

Ray

[maxcr]

The Hilsen I put up for sale at the same time as this generated lots of interest and sold within a week, while the Custom only got the question from Dave above. 

I'm thinking maybe the custom was priced too high. I thought there would be more interest, but of course a custom isn't really a custom after the original owner had it built, now it's just a bike with a unique road geometry and given that more and more people want fatter tires and more slack geometries it might be less appealing to some... Anyway, to see if I can help get some people excited, here it goes: if you're a weight weenie, I think this bike fully built, as pictured weighs around 25lbs. Also, out of all the bikes I have ever ridden, this one is probably the most responsive and the Paul brakes have amazing breaking power. The way I see it, this is your chance to own (and ride) a piece of history. 

New lower price: $1,900 + shipping

Please let me know if you're interested.

Max in Boston

Feeling good about shipping good parts and an amazing bike to good people who will enjoy them while downsizing my bike obsession

[maxcr]

BUMP - this bike is still up for sale, new price $1,850 to me in Boston. I can bring it wherever (within reason) you instruct me for packing / shipping (arranged and paid by you) but that's on you.

Alternative idea I would consider: 

Rolling chassis: Frameset (including fork and bottom bracket), wheels, tires and skewers, headset, and seatpost: $1,300 to me in Boston same as above, shipping and packing arranged by you. 

Max in Boston