For sale or trade: NIB (with qualification) 127 mm Greaseguard bb assembly

[Patrick Moore]

I won’t highjack this thread too far, but I have a 127 mm Greaseguard bb practically NIB — I say “practically” qualification because I installed and uninstalled it 3 times on my Matthews dirt road bike forlornly hoping I could make it work. Nothing was every tightened down hard.

Anyway, I’ll sell for less than the $100 shipped that I paid for it; let’s say $80 shipped CONUS. And I’d trade for something. I’d like a nice floor pump, for example; an old but still very well working Silca track pump would be fine, as would one of the Rivendell Plumpatire. And I’m open for intriguing trade suggestions, and I’m happy to add or receive additional value, cash or goods, to adjust a deal for fairness.

On Fri, Jan 16, 2026 at 3:14 PM wboe...@gmail.com <wboe...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for the thoughts.  I did not think the grease guard BBs were currently "get-able" but I just bought one one NOS on eBay.  Will see if it lasts longer than 2 Tanges (as that was the price).

[Corwin Zechar]

Pictures Patrick?

Regards,


Corwin

[Richard Rose]

Dumb question of the day; what bike configuration would require such a wide BB? Fat bike perhaps? I had a wide one on my Gus (121.5?) and it was WIDE. Just curious.

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On Jan 22, 2026, at 1:42 AM, Corwin Zechar <cz...@sonic.net> wrote:

Pictures Patrick?

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[Brian Forsee]

I am a diehard square taper fan. I also like kinda-new mountain bikes. Kinda new mountain bikes use boost hubs and boost chainline. I've found I need something in the 127-130mm range at a minimum to get an appropriate chainline. In some cases even just getting the crank arm to clear the chainstay can be an issue. This is mostly for bikes that fit 2.8" or bigger tires.

Brian

[Ray Varella]

To answer what bike would need such a wide spindle. 

That depends but that bottom bracket would fit a Sugino AT configured with a triple on bikes with a 135mm rear axle. 

If you have one of those cranks you should grab this, it will save you a bundle by not having to purchase a Phil. 

Ray

Vallejo CA

[iamkeith]

Remember that every square taper crank fits differently, so they must be paired to a specific spindle length, to fit ideally on any specific frame.  There's really no standard bb width for any given crankset.  Unlike many modern, plug-and-play  external bearing cranksets, clearance from chainstays, and optimizing Q factor need to be considered as choices, and often take precedent over achieving a "perfect" numerical chainline.  Especially when mixing 80s parts with modern frames.  

I'm a long-time user and fan of suntour cranks, and still have them on several bikes.  FWIW, there were at least two or three verions of the XC Pro cranks alone, which looked superficially similar but were very different.  I assume all were made under contract by Sugino (but don't know for sure), but they were different from Sugino-branded cranks as well.  The arm profiles/offsets were different, as well as how far they pressed onto the taper,  yielding different Q factors and chainstay clearances for any given bb spindle length.  Some of the microdrive cranksets had a VERY narrow stance, compared to the 110 bcd ones, and thus required a wider bb spindle.  This is where Patrick's 127mm ones were probably intended to be used, originally.

All that said, I have other newish bikes where I've had to use 127mm and 130mm spindles, with different square taper cranks, in order to fit certain tires or chainstay profiles. If the outer ring of a tripple crank is replaced with a pant guard or bash ring, (effectively using the two inner chainrings as a double), the chainline (measured between the chainrings) isn't even pushed that far out.  If I had the spare cash and wasn't making an effort to quit hoarding parts, I'd buy this myself.

[Patrick Moore]

Here you go.

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[Patrick Moore]

A few of my bikes, where you have a frame that accommodates fat tires, perhaps even fenders. The Matthews road-bike-for-dirt currently has a grossly offset symmetrical 126 mm SKS, but thanks to the leftside cup and lockring design I could not use the GG bb. I daresay with a properly offset bb I could squeeze in a 125, perhaps even 124, now that I’ve filed the ends of the crank arms.

The SKS replaced an overly generous Phil 130 mm.

Way back when I was young and handsome and strong and attractive to women, I built up a lovely 2X9 dirt-road-biased AllRounder out of a lovely Prestige (“quad butted!!!) Diamond Back Axis team. Very nice frame indeed, with all the braze-ons and room for true 60s, fenders, and mud. I built it with Big Apples, SKS fenders, and a Pro 5 Vis with 44 in the middle position, 28 or 26 inner, and had Phil make me a 145 spindle to clear things. Good chainline.

The rather curt non-response I got from Phil recently leads me to believe that they  no longer make customs, or else that their customer service has gone downhill. 

>>> Does anyone know of anyone who makes top quality custom bb bearing assemblies, or at least spindles to fit to quality bearing assemblies? I’d like to get a 125 or 126 offset by ~5 mm to the right.<<<

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[Patrick Moore]

Price just went up to $120.

Patrick Moore, who is just kidding.

Thanks for the recommendation.

On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 9:38 AM Ray Varella <rayvar...@gmail.com> wrote:

… That depends but that bottom bracket would fit a Sugino AT configured with a triple on bikes with a 135mm rear axle. 

[Patrick Moore]

BTW, that Phil 130 mm with new bearings is also for sale.  Price? Let’s say $80 too. Photos also forthcoming.

[R. Alexis]

I was wondering if it was a Suntour XC-Pro or the Wilderness Trail Bikes bottom bracket. 

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis

[Patrick Moore]

The 130 mm Phil has been claimed.