For the N+1 group

[Ray Varella]

How many can relate to this?

[R. Alexis]

Kind of. I have been selective on getting bikes for several years now. The ones I have gotten were literally given to me. In a couple cases I saved perfectly good framesets from being parted for scrap. 

Recently got a Giant mountain bike frameset that the used bike shop was going to scrap. Asked me if I wanted it. I took it. Finishing up building it from parts moved over from another Giant mountain bike I got from a friend that was crushed. Got a crushed Pinarello  Dogma XC from same friend that crushed his Giant. Been contemplating getting a frameset to use most of the parts to build up. Issue is the standards have changed since this thing initially came out in 2013 or so. Only frameset I have seen that comes close to being plug and play was the prior generation Soma Fab Juice with swap out of rear drop outs to quick release. Other options are lower end level 29er offerings from Specialized Rockhopper etc, if they can be gotten. I did use the 31.6 Thompson seatpost from the Pinarello on a Trek Rosco 7 mostly rolling chassis I got gifted to me. 

Thanks,

Reginald "Bicycle Rescue" Alexis

[Jason Fuller]

I have what I would consider a thoroughly medium sized quiver of bikes at six, although I'm constantly doing the mental gymnastics to try to reduce the number through optimization. At the same time, a large part of me admires those who have just a bike or two and ride the heck out of them, so I kind of want to just split the collection in half and live more simply.  Alas... I think it will be an unending battle. 

[Bill Lindsay]

I get the joke and the joke is funny, but it doesn't quite apply to the way I operate anymore.  I've got a big stable, and it's still growing, and I have other projects I want to do, so the "IN" door is still open.  I'm not at the place in my life where I take in all free or irresistibly cheap bikes.  I used to be there.  I'm also not at the place in my life where I take in all bikes that I calculate I can flip and make money.  I used to be there, too.  

So, if my wife asked me that question: "how many bicycles do you need?", then I would probably say "One at a time".  Many "Camera people" have lots of camera equipment. Many people who build their identity around fishing have a lot of fishing equipment.  Many musicians have a substantial collection of various musical equipment.  

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

[Garth]

How many bikes does one need ?

That reminds of a classic CBS radio episode called "How Much Land Does A Man Need ?"

It's a about a rich man who has an insatiable appetite for more. So he comes to a Indian Chief who offers any man as much land as they can walk on in a day. So the rich man sets out and in his quest ignores all signals to eat, drink or rest. He's so determined for more, that he croaks while on his quest.

The Chief is then asked, how much land does a man need ?

 "About six feet"

Ahahahahahahahaa !!!

[Laing Conley]

One more than I can afford. 

Laing Conley

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[brendonoid]

After buying the Susie a few years ago, I promised myself I wouldn't need another bike. I've been good and mainly just been helping friends get bike builds sorted and buying a new part now and then.

Then Crumbworks put the Chunk up for international orders. I couldn't help myself and the sickness is in full swing again.

[David Ross]

I’ve been scaling back lately, largely because I’m getting older and my needs regarding geometry have become very specific. I’m down to four bikes now and a frame that hasn’t been built after selling an additional bike just last night. About two years ago I made a rule for myself that all my bikes would have to stay in working order because I’d gotten to the point where I’d have three or four bikes laying around that didn’t work, largely because I’d scavenged something as simple as a saddle or brake lever. I stuck to that discipline and it quickly made me realize what a challenge it was becoming to manage a large group of bikes. I’m not sure I could scale below three bikes unless it was absolutely necessary. 

On Fri, Sep 13, 2024 at 2:43 PM Ray Varella <rayvar...@gmail.com> wrote:

How many can relate to this?

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[Patrick Moore]

Late in life after spending untold thousands trying to make bikes that I didn't like in some big or small way into bikes that I liked entirely, I've ended up with 3 customs that take care of all my real needs: gofast road, errand road, and on- and off-road. I don't ride real mountain bike terrain so I don't need a real mtb, and that saves me 1 bike; and I don't race or ride in pacelines and that save me another bike, a gofast derailleur bike.

I finally abandoned thoughts of a Monocog replacement, for single speed drop bar riding over sand up to 4" deep, since the added bike would not be ridden enough and would have liabilities that would make it not worth the hassle of ownership, but I do very much want a nice-riding lock-up-outside beater capable of 2" or at a pinch 3" sand that will be largely invisible to thieves and am thinking of a Clem (I  will continue to think about this as long as I feel like it, so don't rush me, OK?). I've also I've toyed with thoughts of a Brompton. And on day perhaps a bike with electric assist.

But when I think hard about my real needs and interests, for the immediate future the only +1 will be a nice but (somewhat) disposable beater all rounder -- "all" here including said sand.

[Mackenzy Albright]

N+1 is a difficult one. 

My main limitations are realistically space to store given cost of renting a place in Vancouver that can accommodate a large number of bikes for better or worse. I struggled in the past building up different types of bikes in various configurations and was never really felt at home on anything which lead to rotation of bikes. Once I traded my Crust Romanceur for my Clementine I realized Clementine my all-terrain forever bike (N) - which allowed me to be very very specific about my (+1) including not feeling like they needed to be practical in any sense. I've set up a few rules to guide myself along. 

1. all +1's must be handmade and my size

2. ideally of Canadian / historic lineage or significance 

3. must be a unique, rare design, or one of a kind - more like artwork than bikes

4. Must be a good deal 

5. in case of emergency ignore all rules 

- Orange Clementine is my forever bike. Unlike my crust romanceur forever bike or my salsa elmariachi forever bike or my salsa fargo forever bike or my surly karate monkey forever bike or surly long haul trucker forever bike this is absolutely 100% certain my forever bike ;) 

-Marinoni Track (1979-80ish) dated via the stamped Columbus tubing. Early non production model with lots of subtle unique features. (no serial no, no paperwork)

-Marinoni Time Trial (1986) 700c/650c funny bike. With the UCI banning funny bikes these are somewhat rare, they look incredible, and very few were produced by Marinoni. (have a copy of the 1986 order form) 

-Syncros Triathalon bike (my guess would be early 90's based off the 650c suspension fork and parts) it's entirely custom and hand built aluminum frame with a lot of rare 90's syncros parts- the only frame built by Syncros as far as anyone knows. I haven't been able to find out much more other     than the owner worked at syncros and is now deceased. Maybe a former machinist? The details on the bike are strange and beautiful. Maybe would be more at home in a museum - but not really sure there is anything like that in Canada. 

-A Raleigh twenty - mostly because I wanted the porteur rack on it and it was cheap - also a bike to "borrow" to visitors and Jason's build was pretty inspiring. Not particularly attached. 

+1 (ideally my last bike itch to scratch) is a custom via a builder in montreal. I wanted a lightweight swept back bar bike with a long top tube and lightweight tubing for 'spirited riding' - so wanted a shorter wheelbase unlike the new riv's despite my love for a long wheelbase. This one is still at the builder - I am out of storage space - so I may hit up my landlord to see if I can rent a corner of her garage but that may open up pandora's box of N+1

I am done building bikes after this - I swear. 

I would absolutely cave for a production single speed mtb like an all city junkyard dog, original 1x1, bianchi bass, or any 90's early 00's SS mtb counterparts. Though - I would most definitely have to get rid of something to fit this in. 

[Patrick Moore]

Will this be essentially a lighter-weight, more nimble version of the Clem? I'll be very interested to see the final result.

On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 11:30 AM Mackenzy Albright <mackenzy...@gmail.com> wrote:

... +1 (ideally my last bike itch to scratch) is a custom via a builder in montreal. I wanted a lightweight swept back bar bike with a long top tube and lightweight tubing for 'spirited riding' - so wanted a shorter wheelbase unlike the new riv's despite my love for a long wheelbase. This one is still at the builder

[Mackenzy Albright]

The concept with the builder was to design something akin to a bombadil/hunqapillar in fit and setup - but slightly more randonneur (or constructeur porteur) in lightweight construction and geometry ALA lightning bolt (Jan's mule) I liked how my romancer rode most of the time, just don't want discs and the top tube was a bit too short so it really struggled with climbing with swept back bars as the front wanted to hop constantly even with a 130mm stem. The frame won't necessarily be low trail - I left the particularities of geometry with the builder. The idea is with a longer wheelbase and a longer, but not rivendell loooong chain stay it should situate myself more centered in the bike for better climbing and comfort but still allow some spring in it's step. 

[Ryan]

If my last SS iteration of 3 PX10s went walkabout (like the previous 2), I would absolutely get a RoadUno as a single-speed suitable for my creaky knees. Id swap for an 18 or 19 WI freewheel, probably run one chainring, go for an S83 seat post ; maybe someone will trade for my 27.2 one from my mixte and I can use that lugged one I bought a few years ago....but otherwise I'm good. Might go for purple. 

[Johnny Burrell]

I'm heading the other direction. I want one bike that has all the things the way I like them and one bike I can focus my attention and accessories on. When COVID started I had 6 bikes and 0 Rivendell's. I found a Hunqapillar from a friend here on the group and now have it and another bike. Soon to be just the Hunq. But then I don't do 10 different types of riding anymore so I don't need 10 different bikes. I like the simplicity in a single bike and the Hunq does what I want in comfort and style. It does the kind of riding I like to do. Errands around town, mindless meandering, commuting, dumb fire-lane shenanigans and under-biking in the park.