$50 mistake, or did I do something wrong? Nitto saddlebag wire guard mishap

[Patrick Moore]

For the last week or so I've been happily using my new Nitto Saddlebag Wire Guard on the gofast, while waiting for Chauncey to deliver the Riv Road errand bike clone. I installed it as I saw it installed in several photos, with the stay clips at the bottom and the bumper at the top; like this:

It had been holding a Carradice Junior away from the seatstays.

But today, fortunately at the very end of a 21-mile out 'n' back, 3/4 mile from home, the thing somehow got loose and fell into the spokes/flip-side sprocket and got chewed up, as below; happily (in both senses) it caused no damage to wheel or frame:

And thus a question pushed itself to the surface of my sluggish mind: What did I do wrong?? 

Is this just a defective design that can at an moment spring loose and dive into your drivetrain? Or is there some secret to installation that I missed? 

Inquiring minds, out of pocket by $50, want to know.

Ta.

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Patrick Moore

Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

[Deacon Patrick]

Watching. You've hit the very reason I've not gotten them: fear that my jouncy rides are too much for something not screwed or strapped on, other than me engine, which just sits like a freeloadin' slug on the bike. Grin.

With abandon,

Patrick

[Patrick Moore]

I have confirmed your suspicion. I charge $50 per confirmation. Please paypal friends and family to blah blah blah.

Well! I have to say that, if my and Deacon's suspicions are correct, this is only the second of very many sound Nitto products that are faulty, the other being the very pretty and very expensive fillet brazed Nitto bottle cage of which 2 broke under my stainless steel 28 oz bicycle specific water bottles, while the much cheaper Iris and even the similar but far cheaper VO didn't break. 

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[Joe Bernard]

I wonder if it was sitting almost on top of your straddle cable and braking pulled the straddle up and dislodged it.

[Patrick Moore]

I should have added that this was attached to a bike with no rear brake -- fixed gear with front brake only.

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 4:33 PM Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote:

I wonder if it was sitting almost on top of your straddle cable and braking pulled the straddle up and dislodged it.

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[Steve Palincsar]

On 6/7/20 6:31 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
> I have confirmed your suspicion. I charge $50 per confirmation. Please
> paypal friends and family to blah blah blah.
>
> Well! I have to say that, if my and Deacon's suspicions are correct,
> this is only the second of very many sound Nitto products that are
> faulty, the other being the very pretty and very expensive fillet
> brazed Nitto bottle cage of which 2 broke under my stainless steel 28
> oz bicycle specific water bottles, while the much cheaper Iris and
> even the similar but far cheaper VO didn't break.

You overloaded those bottles.   I've said it before and I'll keep saying
it.  That's user error, not a faulty product.


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[Patrick Moore]

You are wrong; any $10 cage, let alone whatever the Nittos cost, ought to be able to hold a 28 oz bottle; after all, the cheapos did without any problems whatsoever. Defective design or build at a premium price, period.

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[Joe Bernard]

"I should have added that this was attached to a bike with no rear brake -- fixed gear with front brake only."

Oh. You posted a pic with brakes and I extrapolated. And we all know how painful that can be.

[Patrick Moore]

Eagle eye! No, no rear brake cantilever cable housing hangar like that shown in the photo; just bare straight stays. 

All: Is such a hangar necessary for succesful use of the Nitto Wire Guard?

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 6:18 PM Mitch Harris <mitch....@gmail.com> wrote: Do you have a brake hanger bridge like that on your gofast? It looks like the one in this photo above is trapped in place by the hanger bridge and hanger cable fitting. 

Mitch 

in Utah

[Joe Bernard]

Patrick, I don't think anyone would know because that thingy is designed to keep a bag off the canti cable, hence, most everyone who's used it had that. But my guess? Yep! I'm going to say your guard got loose and maybe they all tend to, but you didn't have a brake wire to interfere with its intention of tumbling into your wheel.

[Bones]

I recently added one of these to my Hillborne when I upgraded to centerpulls. I imagine they work differently depending on your frame size (62 pictured here), but mine appears to be quite solid. Perhaps a well placed zip tie near the top could add some insurance.

[Patrick Moore]

Yours is also installed behind the brake wire; mine was installed on a bike without any rear brake, let alone one with a vertical wire like that. That would keep it from rotating forward and possible disconnecting, but OTOH, the weight of the bag ought to have done the same, no?

I dunno, afterall ...

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 11:21 AM Bones <ekstr...@gmail.com> wrote:

I recently added one of these to my Hillborne when I upgraded to centerpulls. I imagine they work differently depending on your frame size (62 pictured here), but mine appears to be quite solid. Perhaps a well placed zip tie near the top could add some insurance.

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[j glenn]

Memo to self: 2 more Zip-Ties.    

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 6:16:03 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

[Rich Lesnik]

One word: zip tie