2024 Frame Schedule

[Drew Fitchette]

Saw this in the last email:

• February - Clems
• March - Lugged Susies - kind of a new model
• April - Roaduno bikes and frames - new model
• May - Sam Hillbornes
• June - Appaloosas
• July - Platypus bikes and frames
• August - Charlie Gallop, nu model, bikes and frames, more info later
• September - Roadini

Been waiting to pick up a Sam for a loooong time. Anyone else have plans to pick up a new frame in 2024? 

Also, Looks like the foreboding about the Atlantis going into retirement is holding true with more appaloosas coming in the summer. Anyone out there still pining for that turquoise dream? 

- Drew  

[Jason Fuller]

Word is the Sam is unchanged from previous batches, geometry-wise, which is wonderful news as Sam is perfect.  No plans to pick up anything this year, in fact it's my fourth annual "no new bikes" resolution which has failed three times thus far. 

I am a big fan of the new Susie's combination of specs, more stout than the old one (which was flexy to the extent it didn't make a good off-road tourer for most people) but quill stem. Dig that.

I find the Appaloosa to be a lot better on the eyes than the modern Atlantis and I struggle to understand why since they're nearly the same. In my dream scenario, the Atlantis would go backwards slightly to bit a little more roadish in geometry, something similar to the Sam, but with the additional stoutness and tire clearance. I feel like this more road-focused true touring bike is currently missing in the lineup, and still falls within modern Riv sensibilities. Of course, I have no say in this, but a guy can dream. 

[Brian Turner]

Jason, I 100% agree with you on the Joe vs. Atlantis, and the void in Riv’s lineup for a classic-styled roadish tourer (which is why I think so many folks are searching for early era Atlantis frames these days - I’m glad to have found one this past year). I’m not a fan of what the Atlantis has evolved into, but wouldn’t rule out an Appaloosa in my near future.

- Brian

Lex Ky

On Jan 11, 2024, at 10:42 PM, Jason Fuller <jtf.f...@gmail.com> wrote:

Word is the Sam is unchanged from previous batches, geometry-wise, which is wonderful news as Sam is perfect.  No plans to pick up anything this year, in fact it's my fourth annual "no new bikes" resolution which has failed three times thus far. 

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[m f]

I am intrigued by the Charlie Gallop. The random photos I’ve seen so far make it look like a road, path, , rail trail cruiser that I need.

[Jason Fuller]

Yeah!  Despite following the Charlie development perhaps more closely than anyone outside Riv HQ for the longest time, it's changed a bunch and I've kind of lost the pulse on what makes it unique in the lineup. I used to think it was going to be the evolution of the Roadini but it seems to be something else. Regardless I am betting it'll be a quick bike as the name implies, perhaps with just a little more embedded versatility compared to the Roadini?  

[Drew Fitchette]

The last Charlie sightings(blue lug visit) almost has it looking like a Homer with the Mixte like top tube. I appreciate it as someone with short legs and a long torso, though the tire clearance and v brake/canti options of the Sam has my vote. 

- Drew

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[John Bokman]

Jason, I concur with your assessment of the new Atlantis. I had always pined for one, ever since the inception of the model. In fact, other than the "LongLow", it was the first Riv I coveted. But, alas, things have changed (Grant would say for the better).

I finally purchased a Riv, the original 60cm model Sam, in 2009. I now ride a size smaller Sam (the 58cm). I think it is from the 2017 era? At any rate, I had a local builder install canti-bosses, like the original had. I find it to be surprisingly stout. In fact, I regularly load it for bear, and find it to be more bike than I want in some instances (uphill, without a load, for example). I believe that the "new" Sam is more stout than the original. In fact, it felt lighter in the hand to both myself and my mechanic who had history with both of these bikes. Turns out the seat tube had changed from 27.2 to 26.8. My mechanic thinks the thicker steat tube is the answer to the increased heft. That, and the longer chainstays.

All to say, I understand your want for an old school Atlantis in the lineup. But, as someone who rides a larger framed 700c Sam (can't speak to the 650B Sam), it's pretty right on for this purpose. The thing I think that could be improved as a loaded tourer is the tire clearance. Being able to fit a 2" tire under a fender would make it outstanding. I suppose this would make it the de-facto "new Atlantis"? Just musing...

John

[Jason Fuller]

Drew - indeed, quite a departure from the earier protos, and neat as well - but now that it's lugged it seems to overlap existing models a bit more other than the novel drop tube.  I wonder if it shares the upper HT lug as the new Susie (TT angle more flat due to HTA)

John - Yeah I agree, the Sam is stout enough for basically any touring maybe short of a dedicated world-tourer. I've never found the limit of mine either in terms of capacity, just tire clearance as you mention. 

[ScaD]

I'd like to grab an Appaloosa - curious about the colors that will be on offer.

[Doug H.]

I too am intrigued by the Charlie Gallop. I saw Russ interview Grant on Path Less Pedaled Link and Grant showed a prototype and talked about the design and purpose of the bike. If I don't buy a Roadini then I will wait for the Gallop in August.

Doug