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On Jun 30, 2022, at 3:48 PM, Jonathan Howard <tarnishe...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you All!
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A note from the back of the pack. I started randonneuring in 2007 and finished PBP in a little over 89 hours that year. I was not a natural ultracyclist. Each distance from 200 k, 300 km, 400 km, 600 km, and 1200 km I learned the necessary lessons through lots of suffering. Over my first 4 years of doing grand randonnees, my body responded this:
My first PBP was good off the road. I was in a small hotel with the Australians which were a lot fun. On the road, I stopped at a small outdoor restaurant for something. I wasn’t far enough from control time to afford that, I realized that was dumb, and stopped trying to interact at all with anything other than what was necessary to finish.
I slept 1-2 hours per night, and I was psychotic by the end. I wasn’t sure if I filled up camelback from a sink or some kind of fancy French urinal circa day 4 (4 years later in 2011 I confirmed it was a sink).
I read trip reports of people that sounded like they were on a vacation, interacting with locals, and such. That wasn’t me. I went and suffered for 4 days. My body had never been (and never since) been so broken down. I have ridden a total of 9 grand-randonnees, and RAAM qualified as well (thanks Dan!). So I learned from it, sort of, and kept going and I better learned/conditioned to avoid suffering. Unlike Dan, I always ride alone. So had few friendly interactions that first PBP. On day 2 or 3, I was suffering along. Some US women rider did come along side, ask me “How are you doing?” Then after I answered, she said, “No, how are really doing?” That was thoughtful. Thank you, whoever it was. 2007 was the historical cold (50F and rainy) year. Fortunately, that is the weather Pennsylvanians qualify in.
My take: If you are more of a natural ultra-distance person like Dan, go for it. If you are a back-of-the pack person that suffered pretty horribly through you qualifying series (more than other people), if I had to do it again, I would get the suffering under control inside you own country being paying to suffer outside your own country. The only advantage to going to France instead of doing a regional ride, is that the stakes were so high, I was willing to suffer more to a level that was kind of stupid.
On the other hand, I swore off grand-randonnees in 2015 as my fitness back off, and here I am doing LEL as a bucket list item next month. Not wanting to suffer, I’ve cobbled together a training program based on frequency of riding rather then length of riding. I tested this month, and I can ride a 400 km and survive without damage. The last two days I did back to 150 mile days on the GAP to test second day recovery. I’m using those 9 years of suffering through events to hopefully condition other than through brute suffering. I’ve been riding near weekly long rides for 4 months, and increasing weekly load on top of that. I’ll see if I’ve been clever enough to prepare without excess suffering, or set myself up to suffer more.
Serving RUSA as the back-of-the-pack curmudgeon since 2007.
Jim Logan
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On Jul 3, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Bill Gobie <gobie...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jul 3, 2022, at 5:45 AM, Jim Logan <jimlo...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Sleeping a minimum of 5 hours per night does add some complexity with logistics and fitness and efficiency. It can be done. I think I averaged a bit over 6 hours per night in 2019 and finished in 76 hours or something like. So, it can be done. The bottomline is to figure out how you want to ride it and make your plan accordingly. Getting 5-6 hours per night isn't easy for many reasons and too much to write. The stuff like lights, tires, bike, etc. have many different solutions and pretty easy to work out. If you saw the contraption I rode in 2019, you'd laugh but it worked for me. Being very efficient at controls and on the road really helps to get the sleep time you need and to be honest, PBP is not as flat as some say and being light and able to climb decently also helps a lot. GL
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Hi Dija,To amplify on what Jake said, that's correct that they just need to be ACP (or RM) sanctioned.The policy for 2022 is that your *longest* ACP or RM ride is what counts in giving you a chance to register earlier in 2023 for PBP, and thus get more choice of starting waves. You don't have to do a full series, but may wish to for training and experience. Actual qualification to ride PBP is completing an SR series in 2023, of course.Good luck with the parenting!-john lee
On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 10:09 AM Jake Kassen <li...@jkassen.org> wrote:
For PBP all that matters is the qualifiers are ACP sanctioned and you have ACP certificate numbers to prove it. They don't all need to be in the same country.
Remember for PBP you need to have certificate numbers by the end of June. It can be a difficult timeline for people in parts of the country where it's still pretty cold until May. I'm envious of the people in California and Texas that are qualified by March. :)
Jake
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> From: Dija Amer <dijme...@gmail.com>
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> Subject: [RUSA] question on super randonneur series
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> Hi Fellow Randonneurs,
> can someone offer my advice? I cannot locate the answer:
> I am trying to do the 2,3,4,600K series in '22 to pave my way towards
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> PBP next year. But i am starting later in the season (parenting).
>
> is it possible to gain ACP sanctioned brevet credit if you sign up for
> ACP brevet rides with
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> RUSA, but do a few ACP sanctioned brevets with the Canadian
> Organizations as a registereed due paid member? Is there reciprocity?
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> Thank you so much,
> Dija Amer 5585 NJ rando / Bkln, NY
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